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Offline 2Vermont

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Re: SSPX transfer this summer
« Reply #30 on: October 27, 2023, 02:38:00 PM »
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  • I just finsihed watching. He appears very sincere in his conversion story. Very different path than other converts to Tradition.

    His comments on the Una cuм is interesting.
    Agreed. The only thing I found odd about the video was that they would never say "SSPX".  They kept saying "organization".  Anyone know why?  Bishop Sanborn etal has never had a problem saying SSPX.  Could it have something to do with the relationship between Fr Phillipson and the SSPX that they can't?

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    Re: SSPX transfer this summer
    « Reply #31 on: October 27, 2023, 02:51:04 PM »
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  • Agreed. The only thing I found odd about the video was that they would never say "SSPX".  They kept saying "organization".  Anyone know why?  Bishop Sanborn etal has never had a problem saying SSPX.  Could it have something to do with the relationship between Fr Phillipson and the SSPX that they can't?
    Because these organizations are not the enemy of Catholics trying to traverse through the rubble of modernist Rome.  Why unnecessarily burn every bridge you cross?  That tends to shut down all future communications. I understand  any group can and will be infiltrated.  That's called history and it does repeat.


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    Re: SSPX transfer this summer
    « Reply #32 on: October 27, 2023, 03:25:21 PM »
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  • Stark contrast to Fr. Christopher Feeney's response to inquiries on his conditional ordination. 

    Regarding of the reference of "organization", you can almost tell Stephen Heiner had make deliberate reference when he wanted to say SSPX.

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    Re: SSPX transfer this summer
    « Reply #33 on: October 27, 2023, 03:28:09 PM »
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  • Stark contrast to Fr. Christopher Feeney's response to inquiries on his conditional ordination.

    Regarding of the reference of "organization", you can almost tell Stephen Heiner had make deliberate reference when he wanted to say SSPX.
    Yes, which was odd.  They've never done that before (AFAIK).

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    Re: SSPX transfer this summer
    « Reply #34 on: October 28, 2023, 05:54:47 AM »
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  • I just finsihed watching. He appears very sincere in his conversion story. Very different path than other converts to Tradition.

    His comments on the Una cuм is interesting.
    His comments on una cuм are his opinion, he would have done better to have read Pope Benedict XIV's Ex Quo and stayed faithful to it's teaching in the matter.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse


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    Re: SSPX transfer this summer
    « Reply #35 on: October 28, 2023, 08:21:45 AM »
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  • His comments on the Una cuм is interesting.

    His was from a different perspective than the sedevacantist-theological one, but I have had these same thoughts.  If you actually read the words of the Canon, I absolutely could not insert Bergoglio's name into the Canon with a straight face, or, as Father said, without feeling that I was "lying" in the Sacred Canon of the Mass.  Bergoglio is named as a keeper / tender / cultivator of the Catholic and Apostolic faith.  He's nothing of the sort.  He's a destroyer of that faith.  If that phrase had been left out, and just said, "along with the Pope", maybe ... but there's no way anyone can possibly believe that Jorge is a keeper (cultor ... a cultivator / promoter) of the Catholic and Apostolic faith.  Untruths do not belong in the Sacred Canon of the Mass.

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    Re: SSPX transfer this summer
    « Reply #36 on: October 28, 2023, 08:22:18 AM »
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  • His comments on una cuм are his opinion, he would have done better to have read Pope Benedict XIV's Ex Quo and stayed faithful to it's teaching in the matter.

    And your opinion is duly noted and rejected ... as your analysis of just about everything is deeply flawed.

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    Re: SSPX transfer this summer
    « Reply #37 on: October 28, 2023, 09:08:17 AM »
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  • And your opinion is duly noted and rejected ... as your analysis of just about everything is deeply flawed.
    It's not my opinion, it is the teaching of the Church, taught by a "true" pope. Therefore, Fr.'s opinion and yours regarding just about everything is deeply flawed because you award your opinion authority over the teaching of the Church, which is to say that you have that "set of beliefs and practices set apart from the rest beyond merely not believing these Popes are legitimate," as DL admitted in his last post.

    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse


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    Re: SSPX transfer this summer
    « Reply #38 on: October 28, 2023, 09:15:13 AM »
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  • It's not my opinion, it is the teaching of the Church, taught by a "true" pope. 

    It's your interpretation thereof ... which you always attempt to conflate with the teaching itself.  Also, it begs the question that Jorge is the pope ... which he's not.

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    Re: SSPX transfer this summer
    « Reply #39 on: October 28, 2023, 09:38:10 AM »
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  • It's not my opinion, it is the teaching of the Church, taught by a "true" pope. Therefore, Fr.'s opinion and yours regarding just about everything is deeply flawed because you award your opinion authority over the teaching of the Church, which is to say that you have that "set of beliefs and practices set apart from the rest beyond merely not believing these Popes are legitimate," as DL admitted in his last post.
    Stubborn, I've noticed that you repeatedly quote DL to support your own views.  Do you think he would be okay with you continuing to use his "last post" to do this? How do you even know that he still thinks the same way?  I find it ironic that you quote him given you're only quoting another person's "opinion". 

    Has any other poster ever done this?  I can't think of any other poster who uses a former member's comments in this way.

    Speaking of which, has anyone heard from DL?  How is he?

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    Re: SSPX transfer this summer
    « Reply #40 on: October 28, 2023, 09:41:40 AM »
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  • His was from a different perspective than the sedevacantist-theological one, but I have had these same thoughts.  If you actually read the words of the Canon, I absolutely could not insert Bergoglio's name into the Canon with a straight face, or, as Father said, without feeling that I was "lying" in the Sacred Canon of the Mass.  Bergoglio is named as a keeper / tender / cultivator of the Catholic and Apostolic faith.  He's nothing of the sort.  He's a destroyer of that faith.  If that phrase had been left out, and just said, "along with the Pope", maybe ... but there's no way anyone can possibly believe that Jorge is a keeper (cultor ... a cultivator / promoter) of the Catholic and Apostolic faith.  Untruths do not belong in the Sacred Canon of the Mass.
    Yes, his perspective seems to have come from his sensus catholicus not even knowing what others have written about it.    


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    Re: SSPX transfer this summer
    « Reply #41 on: October 28, 2023, 11:24:06 AM »
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  • It's your interpretation thereof ... which you always attempt to conflate with the teaching itself.  Also, it begs the question that Jorge is the pope ... which he's not.
    Again, that is nothing but your opinion which you conflate to dogmatic certainty, which btw, is one of those things (aka "beliefs") DL was referring to.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    Re: SSPX transfer this summer
    « Reply #42 on: October 28, 2023, 11:46:57 AM »
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  • Stubborn, I've noticed that you repeatedly quote DL to support your own views.  Do you think he would be okay with you continuing to use his "last post" to do this? How do you even know that he still thinks the same way?  I find it ironic that you quote him given you're only quoting another person's "opinion". 

    Has any other poster ever done this?  I can't think of any other poster who uses a former member's comments in this way.

    Speaking of which, has anyone heard from DL?  How is he?
    I don't know whether he is still a sede or not, or anything else about him these days, but none of that matters because what he stated is the truth whether it was him who said it or somebody else. What he essentially said is that  in order to maintain sedeism, sedes *must* reject what Catholics have always believed, then embrace new and different beliefs and practices. This is done in order to maintain their sedeism as there is no other reason for it.

    Watch at the video someone posted from one of the Dimond bruthas before he turned sede as further proof of what DL said. The video demonstrates that pre-sede, he believed what Catholics have always believed, but after turning sede, he had to actually reject as heresy what he and all other Catholics have always believed, and embrace a different set of beliefs and practices, why?- in order to maintain his sedeism. There is no other reason for it.

    I am not intending to insult any sede, I am merely pointing out a fact, one that DL stated so clearly, namely that there is a lot more involved in sedeism than only believing the Chair is vacant.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    Re: SSPX transfer this summer
    « Reply #43 on: May 26, 2025, 12:03:33 PM »
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  • Fr. David Phillipson (the one who came from the NO and was not conditionally ordained)
    I heard he left the SSPX and was conditionally ordained in the Resistance. (He petitioned to be conditionally ordained in the SSPX, but the SSPX wouldn't do it.)
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    Re: SSPX transfer this summer
    « Reply #44 on: May 26, 2025, 10:13:31 PM »
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  • " I heard..."
    Someone mentioned back on this thread, about infiltrators (how about 'infiltraitors!)  in the neoSspx.

    http://wordpress.catholicapedia.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/2012-06-12_L.abbe-Michel-KOLLER_FSSPX_Confirme-le-CATHOLICAPEDIA-qui-fait-une-colere.pdf
    Google translate.

    From Fr. Koller 's sermon, 2012..
    "...that I lived for many years with a holy priest named Father La Praz, who offered his life and all his suffering, not only for the Church but for the SSPX. And I know with conviction, having spoken about it many times with this holy priest, who was also a friend, that he would never have signed anything other than the anti-modernist oath. Already in 1990, Father La Praz and I had noticed that there were people who had been infiltrated into the SSPX, as had been done at the Second Vatican Council. We warned the appropriate authorities. The only thing we received in return was blows from rifle butts. But this is of no importance because we will continue this fight since we signed it, since we love the Church, the true one.  We will continue this fight with all those who wish to follow it.

    So please, dear faithful, we are working for Heaven..."
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