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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: SSPX Tradcuмania
« Reply #35 on: July 19, 2019, 09:05:29 PM »
Mortalium Animos did not confine itself to prohibiting strictly inter-religious worship between Catholics and non-Catholics, but prohibited a much wider breadth of inter-religious activities.

The encyclical basically continued where Testem Benevolentiae left off (which was itself an implicit condemnation of Archbishop John Ireland’s desire to attend the Chicago World’s Fair, which also was not a strictly joint worship activity).

But interconfessional unity was underneath the desire (or at least the desire to make American Catholics acceptable to Protestant America, which is the precursor, as the SSPX is finding out), and Leo knew it.

Same spirit is continued in n Mortalium:

On cell, but see paragraph 2, already speaking of activities not strictly worship.

2V is right.
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Offline ByzCat3000

Re: SSPX Tradcuмania
« Reply #36 on: July 19, 2019, 11:13:38 PM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on July 19, 2019, 09:05:29 PM
Mortalium Animos did not confine itself to prohibiting strictly inter-religious worship between Catholics and non-Catholics, but prohibited a much wider breadth of inter-religious activities.

The encyclical basically continued where Testem Benevolentiae left off (which was itself an implicit condemnation of Archbishop John Ireland’s desire to attend the Chicago World’s Fair, which also was not a strictly joint worship activity).

But interconfessional unity was underneath the desire (or at least the desire to make American Catholics acceptable to Protestant America, which is the precursor, as the SSPX is finding out), and Leo knew it.

Same spirit is continued in n Mortalium:

On cell, but see paragraph 2, already speaking of activities not strictly worship.

2V is right.
I'm going off paragraph 2, but that seems to rule out any activiry that is likely to give the impression that all religions are more or less equally true.  Which I don't think something like an anti-abortion protest would qualify.
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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: SSPX Tradcuмania
« Reply #37 on: July 19, 2019, 11:16:59 PM »
Quote from: ByzCat3000 on July 19, 2019, 11:13:38 PM
I'm going off paragraph 2, but that seems to rule out any activiry that is likely to give the impression that all religions are more or less equally true.  Which I don't think something like an anti-abortion protest would qualify.
I would say joint religious prayer at any function for any reason is clearly prohibited as per se indifferentism (regardless of the subjective intention).
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Offline Matthew

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Re: SSPX Tradcuмania
« Reply #38 on: July 19, 2019, 11:43:22 PM »
Quote from: TKGS on July 19, 2019, 07:44:19 AM
I think our Lord already answered this one:

"I know thy works, that thou art neither cold, nor hot. I would thou wert cold, or hot.  But because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold, not hot, I will begin to vomit thee out of my mouth."  (Apoc. 3:15-16)
Did you even read my post? 
I didn't ask about the lukewarm. That is obvious. I wasn't talking about compromisers, fence-sitters, or the lukewarm.

I said NEUTRAL because that has a very specific meaning. In this context it means "has no dog in the fight", "does not apply", "not in scope", etc.
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Offline Matthew

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Re: SSPX Tradcuмania
« Reply #39 on: July 19, 2019, 11:50:03 PM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on July 19, 2019, 11:16:59 PM
I would say joint religious prayer at any function for any reason is clearly prohibited as per se indifferentism (regardless of the subjective intention).

Well that isn't what I was talking about at all.

I'm talking about Pro-life action (counseling, talking to women, "rescue" operations, trying to shut down abortuaries, political action), and various apostolates like helping abused women.
But was this thread about ecuмenism -- gatherings between Catholics and non-Catholics? I thought it was a bunch of TRADS getting together in a TRAD-cuмenical affair.

No offense, but Mortalium Animos was clearly talking about Catholic vs. Non-Catholic -- not Trad vs. Trad. There is no "mortalium animos" equivalent which condemns Trad-cuмenism or neutrality in Trad politics.

So I brought up the topic -- what about specific Catholic products like pre-V2 books, Gregorian chant, statues, mantillas, etc. -- do such companies need to "pick a group and stand on principle", sacrificing 5/6 of their potential market -- or otherwise be considered lukewarm? Or do these groups have "no dog in the fight" on things like the Pope question, the best Trad group to be a member of, etc.
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