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Re: SSPX Trad Culture is Near Dead
« Reply #25 on: October 07, 2019, 06:20:17 PM »
Like I said, the priest needs to speak up boldly and defend Catholic morality and doctrine. If someone leaves because of that, then they leave. That's on them.
The problem is when each person takes it upon himself to be the self-appointed sheriff of modesty, doctrine, etc. Each person has different standards. Sure, some outfits are cut-and-dried immodest. But there is SO MUCH grey area. Where do you draw the line?
That's why it has to be the priest.
I agree with Mathew.
The priest is the one in charge. In all chapels there are some old ladies that tend to be the self appointed sheriffs and sometimes are very agresive  so it's important that the priest analize the situation.
Sometimes there are gray areas as Mathew says.


Re: SSPX Trad Culture is Near Dead
« Reply #26 on: October 07, 2019, 06:32:42 PM »
Indeed, it just takes a single rotten apple to spoil the entire bushel.  Priests should understand the downward gravity of human nature due to Original Sin.  More often, the bad ones spoil the good ones, rather than the good ones making the spoiled ones bad.  Can all the good apples in a bushel somehow unspoil the rotten apple, or does it work the other way around?  Bishop Williamson was good at explaining this, the drag caused by Original Sin, where if you're not making progress in the spiritual life, you're actually going backwards, since we're swimming against the current of Original Sin.

But I guess that the new SSPX leadership wanted to banish the old guard "prophets of doom and gloom", the pessimism of the Williamson era, and open the windows of the SSPX to the Novus Ordo.  How did that work out after Vatican II?  But I guess they were unable to learn the lesson.
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I was impressed by your consistent capitalization of "Original Sin" in this post, Ladislaus.
Proper nouns are correctly capitalized, therefore, not spelling it so implies it's not a proper noun -- that there's more than one "original sin!"
(BTW it was ADAM'S sin, thereby it was singular in number.)
If you (or anyone else) knows where the practice originated of spelling it with all lower-case letters, I'd like to hear your answer.


Re: SSPX Trad Culture is Near Dead
« Reply #27 on: October 07, 2019, 06:53:10 PM »
The new people to a chapel are just like the outsiders that come for someone's funeral or weddings, it is a chance for the priest and the people to snatch someone from the devil, that just happens to be there. They know nothing and have to be taught EVERYTHING, how to dress, how to live, the errors of their ways...… In short, they have to be taught truth from the get go, every second that they are there. The truth will either chase them away or convert them FOR REAL.

The SSPX teaches them nothing of how to LIVE the faith, so they remain in their errors and you have a chapel full of Sunday mass card punchers, people who go to mass, then go in live in the world their irrelevant "catholicism". The SSPX has become irrelevant.
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SSPX Trad Culture is Near Dead
The SSPX has become irrelevant
The SSPX teaches ... nothing of how to LIVE the faith

Re: SSPX Trad Culture is Near Dead
« Reply #28 on: October 08, 2019, 10:08:12 AM »
But you know what? If they are not ready for the conversion and they leave, at least they will always remember what the truth was because it was taught to them. One day when they are ready, they will come back to the place where they got that truth. If however they get what the SSPX is "teaching" today, nothing but superficial Catholicism, they will be worse off, because they will believe that they know Catholicism and that it is irrelevant. That is exactly what happened to all of my family members and friends that went to Catholic schools. There is no way to convert them now, they think they know the Catholic faith already, and it is irrelevant.
The SSPX's only future is going to come from the individual priests who defy the SSPX hierarchy and begin to teach the laity how to LIVE the faith. If that means getting thrown out of the SSPX, so be it. The first step is for them to realize that they have been failures, and begin to CHANGE their ways.

Re: SSPX Trad Culture is Near Dead
« Reply #29 on: October 08, 2019, 10:27:05 AM »
I believe that the pillar, the foundation of this SSPX hierarchy mindset of not teaching how to LIVE the faith, this mindset that all that is needed is a beautiful mass, the sacraments and catechism classes, is that they believe that salvation is easy, that anyone in any religion that is a good will be saved, and that all Catholics that go to their masses will be saved just by being there and going to catechism as children. With that mindset it matters little how you dress, or if you flirt, or use contraceptives, or if you have an annulment or are divorced and re-married, ...… The SSPX hierarchy instructs their priests: "those subjects are not to be discussed or you will empty your church!"

Compare the SSPX (and the Novus Ordo, for they are the same) mindset with the truth:


Among adults there are few saved because of the sins of the flesh....With exception of those who die in childhood, most men will be damned. (St. Remigius of Rheims)


The MAJORITY OF CATHOLICS GO TO HELL:

The greater number of Christians today are damned. The destiny of those dying on one day is that very few  -  not as many as ten  -   went straight to Heaven; many remained in Purgatory; and THOSE CAST INTO HELL WERE NUMEROUS AS SNOWFLAKES in mid-winter. (Bl. Anna Maria Taigi)

The Ark, which in the midst of the Flood was the symbol of the Church, was wide below and narrow above, .... It was wide where the animals were, narrow where men lived; for the Holy Church is indeed wide in number of those who are carnal minded, narrow in the number of those who are spiritual. ( Pope St. Gregory the Great)



MOST PRIESTS GO TO HELL:

St. John Chrysostom, Patriarch of Constantinople, Doctor of the Church:

I do not speak rashly, but as I feel and think., I do not think that many priests are saved but that those that perish are far more numerous. The reason is that the office requires a great soul. For there are many things to make a priest swerve from rectitude, and he requires great vigilance on every side. Do you not perceive how many qualities a bishop must have that he may be apt to teach; patient towards the wicked, firm and faithful in teaching the Word? How many difficulties herein. Moreover the loss of others is imputed to him. I need say no more. If but one dies without baptism, does it not entirely endanger his salvation? For the loss of one soul is so great an evil as no man can understand. If the salvation of one soul is of such importance that, for its sake, the Son of God became man and suffered so much, think of the penalty the loss of one soul will entail. (Third Homily, Acts of the Apostles)


CATHOLICS NOT ASPIRING AND NOT LIVING AS SAINTS WILL GO TO HELL:

They who are enlightened to walk in the way of perfection, and through lukewarmness wish to tread the ordinary paths, shall be abandoned. (Bl. Angela of Foligno)

They who are to be saved as Saints, and wish to be saved as imperfect souls, shall not be saved. (Pope St. Gregory the Great)

St. Teresa.... had she not risen from the state of lukewarmness in which she lived, she would in the end have lost the grace of God and been damned. ( St. Alphonsus Liguori)