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Offline Last Tradhican

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SSPX Thought Police
« on: December 09, 2017, 03:55:51 AM »
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  • For a few years now I have witnessed the methodical elimination of the serious thinkers in our chapel and their replacement by Novus Ordo convert types, new to tradition people who go to mass and know nothing about the crisis in the Church, and only talk non-controversial social conversations. These are people who would go to a "reverent" Novus Ordo if it was at say a more convenient time. Even the people who before were serious about discussing the faith, are afraid to discuss anything about the crisis for fear that they will be put on the "lepers list". It is now all about polite social conversations, nothing about the faith.

    There are no sermons about the crisis in the Church. No mention about the crisis in the Church, other than an occasional lambasting of those that are against "joining Rome" or some other such subject that is not in agreement with what the pastor personally wants to do (or is ordered to do?).

    Is this just in my chapel?
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    Re: SSPX Thought Police
    « Reply #1 on: December 09, 2017, 06:17:39 AM »
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  • I understand the concept of a "lepers list", but I'm curious as to whether you think anyone in the chapel is on that list.  Who would you say "maintains" the list at the chapel?  And what are the consequences of being assigned on the list?  Is there any way someone who was on the list is "rehabilitated" and is no longer on the list?


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    Re: SSPX Thought Police
    « Reply #2 on: December 09, 2017, 06:31:44 AM »
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  • You are describing a novus ordo Diocesan Latin Mass mentality which isn't Catholic.  They go to Mass and then go home and watch Will and Grace and this is a large family.   This disturbs me.  The local SSPX the people there are former novus people who just want to run everything.  There are divorced people who receive communion.  

    What chapel do u attend?
    I'm glad that  you brought this up.  
    I'm so disgusted that I haven't even gone to Mass for the hypocrisy.  And then other things. 
    Is it really a sin to miss Mass?








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    Re: SSPX Thought Police
    « Reply #3 on: December 09, 2017, 10:22:50 AM »
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    I'm so disgusted that I haven't even gone to Mass for the hypocrisy.  And then other things.
    Is it really a sin to miss Mass?
    Don't let anyone keep you from going to mass and the sacraments. Their situation has no effect on your life, do not let their un-Catholic lives make you adjust yours.
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    Re: SSPX Thought Police
    « Reply #4 on: December 09, 2017, 11:15:44 AM »
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  • I understand the concept of a "lepers list", but I'm curious as to whether you think anyone in the chapel is on that list.  Who would you say "maintains" the list at the chapel?  And what are the consequences of being assigned on the list?  Is there any way someone who was on the list is "rehabilitated" and is no longer on the list?
    Make no mistake about it, anything important that happens in any SSPX chapel is either orchestrated or allowed by the priors. Do not confuse an SSPX chapel with a church owned by the parishioners, where a few founders might run the show.

    In my chapel, if you disagree on anything the pastor is doing, anything, you are "on the list, and you are labeled as a troublemaker to be avoided . No one can disagree or they are labeled as enemies to be avoided by any of the new people. After the parishioners are there for like 2 years, they all learn the truth by experience.
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    Re: SSPX Thought Police
    « Reply #5 on: December 09, 2017, 12:49:25 PM »
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  • For a few years now I have witnessed the methodical elimination of the serious thinkers in our chapel and their replacement by Novus Ordo convert types, new to tradition people who go to mass and know nothing about the crisis in the Church, and only talk non-controversial social conversations. These are people who would go to a "reverent" Novus Ordo if it was at say a more convenient time. Even the people who before were serious about discussing the faith, are afraid to discuss anything about the crisis for fear that they will be put on the "lepers list". It is now all about polite social conversations, nothing about the faith.

    There are no sermons about the crisis in the Church. No mention about the crisis in the Church, other than an occasional lambasting of those that are against "joining Rome" or some other such subject that is not in agreement with what the pastor personally wants to do (or is ordered to do?).

    Is this just in my chapel?
    Very little is mentioned about the crisis at my SSPX chapel. If I had to guess, I'd say the various priests at my SSPX chapel have spoken from the pulpit on the subject a grand total of not more than 30 minutes over the last few years.

    Generally though, the sermons are very good, just rarely have anything to do with the crisis - I will say that I am sure that none of the sermons given would ever be heard in any conciliar church. I do agree that they need to be preaching about the crisis way more than they do now - the people need it. 
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    Re: SSPX Thought Police
    « Reply #6 on: December 10, 2017, 12:26:33 AM »
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  • Very little is mentioned about the crisis at my SSPX chapel. If I had to guess, I'd say the various priests at my SSPX chapel have spoken from the pulpit on the subject a grand total of not more than 30 minutes over the last few years.

    Generally though, the sermons are very good, just rarely have anything to do with the crisis - I will say that I am sure that none of the sermons given would ever be heard in any conciliar church. I do agree that they need to be preaching about the crisis way more than they do now - the people need it.
    Are the priests free to speak about the  real crisis? For the bosses the crisis seems to be the delay in obtaining  canonical recognition from the New Church.

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    Re: SSPX Thought Police
    « Reply #7 on: December 10, 2017, 02:04:16 AM »
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  • Are the priests free to speak about the  real crisis? For the bosses the crisis seems to be the delay in obtaining  canonical recognition from the New Church.
    The priests are just as paranoid of upsetting the pastor as the parishioners. The atmosphere is one of avoid all serious discussions about ANYTHING while on church grounds and keep a close eye on the pastor's reaction when you say anything, so you can adjust it to his liking. I would not be surprised if the place is bugged. Eventually everyone learns to just go to mass, leave immediately after, and only discuss serious matters at your home with your wife or long time real friends. It is like living in North Korea.
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    Re: SSPX Thought Police
    « Reply #8 on: December 10, 2017, 08:14:53 AM »
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  • The priests are just as paranoid of upsetting the pastor as the parishioners. The atmosphere is one of avoid all serious discussions about ANYTHING while on church grounds and keep a close eye on the pastor's reaction when you say anything, so you can adjust it to his liking. I would not be surprised if the place is bugged. Eventually everyone learns to just go to mass, leave immediately after, and only discuss serious matters at your home with your wife or long time real friends. It is like living in North Korea.
    Just attend the Mass while you can. Several months ago I heard one of their top guys gush over "Pope Francis" and "Saint John Paul Il". I kept a straight face when I really wanted to throw up.

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    Re: SSPX Thought Police
    « Reply #9 on: December 10, 2017, 08:23:54 AM »
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  • About 4 years ago when I was going to the Phoenix chapel, I found out that the "donut guy" was also the parish snitch. He would walk around and eavesdrop on everyone's conversations after Mass and then would immediately run over to the rectory and give a full report on all the "disscenters". When this happened, your name made it to the parish "naughty list" and the core people there would no longer say hi to you and their kids wouldn't play with your kids.
    Between this and other nαzι like tactics going on there, I pulled all my kids out of the school and moved immediately.

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    Re: SSPX Thought Police
    « Reply #10 on: December 10, 2017, 08:37:18 AM »
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  • About 4 years ago when I was going to the Phoenix chapel, I found out that the "donut guy" was also the parish snitch. He would walk around and eavesdrop on everyone's conversations after Mass and then would immediately run over to the rectory and give a full report on all the "disscenters". When this happened, your name made it to the parish "naughty list" and the core people there would no longer say hi to you and their kids wouldn't play with your kids.
    Between this and other nαzι like tactics going on there, I pulled all my kids out of the school and moved immediately.

    What you describe is A) not Catholic B) toxic, and C) enough reason to avoid such chapels -- even if you have no other options for Mass.  And I take missing Sunday Mass very seriously.

    HOW is that a good way to raise your kids Catholic? To teach them that priests are nαzι-esque dictators, petty tyrants, etc.? Is that a way to foster a love for Christ's priesthood?

    And how do you teach them to volunteer and give themselves to the Church's service, when all the "core/volunteer" types act like a clique, and immediately shun you when you speak or stand up for the truth? That was one reason I gave up on my SSPX chapel. My wife and I strongly believe in being active members of the parish -- staying after, talking with new people, helping out, volunteering. We were both personally fired from our volunteer positions NOT BY THE PRIEST, FR. ZIGRANG, but by his boss (at the time), Fr. Rostand. Why? Of course because I run CathInfo. Apparently 8 members of the parish wrote a letter to Fr. Rostand, complaining that I was in the choir and my wife was the treasurer, even though we support the Resistance and run CathInfo. You know, "thoughtcrimes" -- things that shouldn't be crimes in any decent society, outside of dystopian, fictional nightmares like the world in Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four.

    Oh, and a sidenote -- to this day, I don't know who those 8 people are. A very connected lady at the parish (knows everyone, keeps an ear everywhere) told me she did see the letter, and that those 8 people do exist. But all 8 of them are lousy cowards who didn't say the FIRST WORD to my face -- they just went right over me, right over Fr. Zigrang (who -- to be fair -- wasn't in the mood to play nαzι commandant, even though such was certainly in vogue in the SSPX at the time), straight to the District Superior of the USA. If there were any "males" among them, I'm here to tell you there were NO MEN. Men don't sneak around behind your back, smiling at you while secretly writing letters to far-away superiors. What disgusting, sniveling, cowardly behavior! Such is behavior normally associated with the worst kind, the most degraded specimens, of women.

    Note: I was open and vocal about my support for the Resistance during my days there. I spoke about it openly, and feared no one. I tried to start a Resistance group, and personally promoted/advertised Fr. Pfeiffer's Masses (I know it sounds strange today, but this was back before Pablo, Ambrose Moran, and before Fr. Pfeiffer went off the deep end). I spoke to people individually -- I didn't leave anonymous leaflets under peoples' windshield wipers. The entire "core" of the parish knew my name and who I was. My name, address, phone number, and e-mail address were all in the Parish Directory -- and they still are, to this day. So it's not like they couldn't contact me.

    Now how can I teach my kids to volunteer for the Church when both of their parents are forbidden from volunteering? The kids won't understand; they will just think volunteering is something "other people" do. Sorry, that's not how I want to raise my kids Catholic. For me, my local SSPX lifeboat is no longer an option. The evils and poison flowing down from "SSPX, Inc." are just too much. Also recall the thread I posted where Fr. Wegner -- the new US District Superior -- visited my old chapel (San Antonio) and tried to tone down our resistance to Vatican II, the Conciliar Church, modernist prelates, etc. NO THANK YOU! Vatican II is LITERALLY like the devil -- it can't be hated enough, or avoided enough.

    Teaching children to love and speak the truth is EVEN MORE important. You can't get to heaven without the truth. God is truth. Satan is the father of lies. That much I know for sure. Once I start accepting or tolerating lies and other evils, where does it end? Lies and evil lead to Satan; truth and goodness leads to God. It really is that simple.

    I can't subject myself, or my children, to a place where evil is called "good" and good is called "evil". That is no way to form young Catholics.
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    Re: SSPX Thought Police
    « Reply #11 on: December 10, 2017, 09:18:46 AM »
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  • Are the priests free to speak about the  real crisis? For the bosses the crisis seems to be the delay in obtaining  canonical recognition from the New Church.
    I am guessing some of the priests are either too intimidated to speak about it or actually know only a little about it - my guess is that most (not all) of the younger priests know very little about the crisis, how it all happened and likely don't fully understand it's ultimate goal. +Fellay was supposed to give some type of conference about "the deal" at our chapel a while back - but that got cancelled when he broke his foot a week or so before the scheduled event and oddly enough, it has never been rescheduled.

    It's been months since there's been any mention of the NO from the pulpit, lately the sermons have been focused on really excellent sermons about Our Blessed Mother, and from what Fr. said a few weeks ago, he is going to be preaching to us mainly about the sacraments for the next year. The last two sermons were on the sacraments and were very good so I am looking forward to the next 50 or so sermons. One would think he will need to talk about the NO and their sacraments at some point in the series, we'll see.
       
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    Re: SSPX Thought Police
    « Reply #12 on: December 10, 2017, 09:26:23 AM »
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  • My chapel hasn't had a sermon about the crisis in the church stemming from Vatican 2 since 2012.

    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: SSPX Thought Police
    « Reply #13 on: December 10, 2017, 10:10:45 AM »
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  • The priests are just as paranoid of upsetting the pastor as the parishioners. The atmosphere is one of avoid all serious discussions about ANYTHING while on church grounds and keep a close eye on the pastor's reaction when you say anything, so you can adjust it to his liking. I would not be surprised if the place is bugged. Eventually everyone learns to just go to mass, leave immediately after, and only discuss serious matters at your home with your wife or long time real friends. It is like living in North Korea.
    Notice I screamed out ANYTHING and underlined it, for I am not just there talking about discussing the crisis, you can't say anything that is not to the liking of the priest, like if you make a comment about a painting he put up or the color of the new foot cleaning rug by the door or the flowers by the entrance to the church. It is like living in North Korea. Any thought of others must agree with the pastor. 
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    Re: SSPX Thought Police
    « Reply #14 on: December 10, 2017, 10:15:39 AM »
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  • The children will imitate their father.

    If Bishop Fellay acts like a Freemason with his propaganda, smear tactics, back door deals, political maneuvering, tyranny, etc. then you better believe that a lot of his spiritual children will follow suit.

    After all, such evils are the new "good" according to the highest officials of the SSPX.

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