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Offline Machabees

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SSPX...the treason of Judas
« on: May 05, 2013, 09:59:15 AM »
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  • I was just beginning to read through “The Angelus" magazine (Jan.-Feb. issue), and I noticed in Fr. Rostand’s opening words in his Letter from the Publisher: “Following its founder, Archbishop Lefebvre, the Society of St. Pius X is known for its objections to religious liberty, especially as formulated by Digitatis Humanae and post-conciliar docuмents.”  This caught my attention and struck me as very interesting, not that The Angelus magazine hadn’t written on religious liberty before, but the wording and these very topics are on the heels of what Bishop Fellay is getting in trouble with in his scandals, betrayals, dramatic statements and writings of boarder line [heresy] within his interviews and writings, that we are now becoming aware of, in his contacts and associations with the conciliar branches of conciliar Rome.  

    In all, there seems to be a new “theme” being carried out throughout the U.S. District within this SSPX crisis; including all of the recent “conferences” of Fr. Pfluger, Fr.  Themann, Fr. Laisney’s published articles on sspx.org, and the Angelus blog, etc, to “set things right”.  However, when we discover the essence of these conferences, they do nothing but try to cover up of the “sins” of their Superior General Bishop Fellay; to either ignore Bishop Fellay’s scandal’s statements, down play it, or just try to divert the attention on ABL that we are still the “same”, all the while still snugging up to conciliar Rome.

    So, instead of retracting those dubious and boarder line [heretical] statements, they try to white wash anything Bishop Fallay says, to:

    •   “Oh he means this, or he means that…”.
    •   “That everything is the same…we are still staunch, and committed”.  
    •   In addition to tell everyone that the “conciliar church” is the same thing as the Catholic Church… (when ABL says contrarily).  
    •   In order to justify their new position, they purposely quote selective pieces, and at times out of context pieces, of ABL to fit their agenda.

    And in another discovery, while the SSPX is trying to please two masters (…), the SSPX has at the same time on their Australian District, St Thomas Aquinas College website, stating that they have: “…a commitment to promote the principles and practice of…freedom of religion.”

    http://www.stac.vic.edu.au/?page_id=36

    There is a thread started on Cathinfo about this http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=24360&min=0&num=5

    There is one phrase left to describe this – the treason of Judas!


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    « Reply #1 on: May 05, 2013, 12:30:57 PM »
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  • It's probably better to get this article circulated at chapels and Mass centre's as many don't read Cath Info.

    I experienced blank faces regarding the 37 priests in France, the Carmel in Germany etc etc.

    As demonstrated by 'Cassini' many see no reason to doubt Bishop Fellay.


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    « Reply #2 on: May 05, 2013, 12:33:31 PM »
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  • I am being shunned by SSPX folk. The Irish laity are behind Bishop Fellay.

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    « Reply #3 on: May 05, 2013, 04:37:45 PM »
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  •     The SSPX spokespersons are attempting damage control. Once one joins the illuminati, they learn that everything, from then on out, must be deceptive. They cannot , at any costs, do two things :
      * They cannot admit they have joined the Masonic sect. They must deflect any and all questions of masonry--just like Pflugger and Themann have done recently--they must minimize masonry's very existence;
      * They must not allow their spokesmen to admit they are changing their tune, or their beliefs, or the faith. This is the cost of getting an agreement with Rome, and being invited into the great big sodomite tent;
        Were a mason to make a "mistake" and reveal either his, or Fellay's membership in their secret religion (and Masonry IS a religion*), the punishments imposed by the "brethren" is harsh: Expose their secrets and the sword which was impressed upon you during your initiation, shall be utilized to inflict the punishment. Before that, your reputation is thoroughly destroyed and dragged through the mud. If you don't actually die, then you are fully ostracized into a miserable existence.

        You cannot get the truth out of these people --witness now how they prevaricate and backtrack to cover any leads that have been exposed.That's why you hear from Fellay :"When I said we accept Religious Liberty it was only because I knew it would play well in the US"; "we didn't sign any agreement", even though he knew, at the moment he was saying it, that he HAD sent an agreement, with his signature, committing the SSPX to acceptance of the bastard Novus Ordo, the Vatican Council docuмents, the heretical teachings of the occupants of St. Peter's chair since 1958, etc.
        Their inability to tell the truth is why Fr. Laisnay has to change his teaching; it's why Fr. Rostand has to try and shut down the internet, and claim "there's been no agreement", is why Bp. Fellay had a Novus Ordo Bishop perform the confirmations in an SSPX church in Paris,  it is why Fr. Couture had to bring false charges against Fathers Chazal and Pfeiffer.It is why Fellay had to expel the honorable Bp. Williamson
        The masons themselves brag about their "hidden" power-- about their ability to control all things behind the scenes, unobserved. Once their "adepts" have joined the brotherhood-- they are sunk into a double life of lies and deceit.
         What is happening with the SSPX management since they have been playing with the devils in Rome, and invited the Jєωιѕн/Masonic fund raiser and apologist for Israel into their ranks, is classic masonic takeover of the organization.
         People are always amazed at how their "local" politicians suddenly totally change their tunes AFTER they are elected and sent to Washington; They are bewildered at how the entire national news jumps up, at the seemingly click of a thousand simultaneous hands, and clamor for "gun control, gun control, gun control", or , even more bewildering, "same-sex partners or civil unions!"
       And through all these attacks on Christianity, and upon the children of Christ and Christ Himself, Fellay and the SSPX say NOTHING!!! Nothing at all said at the horrible, horrible meeting in Assisi of every devil, placed before men as gods; nothing at all said of the perversions of  thousands of (so-called) priests abusing innocent boys and girls, with the protection and guidance of the "church"; nothing at all  said of Benedict Ratzinger's promotion of a one-world government to control the Christians; nothing at all of the elitists' plans to genetically engineer the human genome, to create "new" "human" beings, to transplant minds, hearts, genes ( and souls?) into totally different humans.Nothing at all of governments using every "crises" to build prison walls around their citizens.
       Not a word from the SSPX. You'll hear nothing from the SSPX which would get in the way of the accommodations with Rome which they were arranging.The priests have been well indoctrinated into not talking odf "civil" matters, as well as of historical facts.
     
       * Note: They, themselves, brag of their worship, they do their "work" on their altars, they worship their "god", (the "Great Architect of the Universe"),they have their "initiations" with secret words and symbols, they have their Lector, their Porter, their Acolytes, their "Worshipful Masters." The
    most unfortunate thing is , once the acolyte has requested "the illumination" from the lodge, if he ever realizes this is a religion, there's not much of a way out!! But we cannot go along with them, and let them live the lies as heads of the SSPX. They must be deposed, and all the advisers of Fellay ,Lorans, and Kraw replaced.
       

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    « Reply #4 on: May 05, 2013, 04:59:38 PM »
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  • hugeman

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    They must be deposed, and all the advisers of Fellay ,Lorans, and Kraw replaced.


    The trouble for SSPX priests and laity is who will depose them, and who will replace those deposed? Laity unless third order are not members of the SSPX and Fr Boyle stated the laity should not meddle in the business of the SSPX.

    Who seriously believes Bishop Fellay will ditch Dr Krah? He is his business partner and a figure of great influence in the SSPX.

    Laity prayed, paid and obeyed.


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    « Reply #5 on: May 05, 2013, 05:07:35 PM »
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  • Most of the decent SSPX priests have been 'expelled' or in the process of leaving. It's correct that Fr Pfeiffer still refers to himself as a SSPX priest but they have lost good priests like Padre Giulio Tam, Fr. Florian Abrahamowicz  and others.

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    SSPX...the treason of Judas
    « Reply #6 on: May 05, 2013, 05:13:14 PM »
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  • Quote from: John Grace
    Most of the decent SSPX priests have been 'expelled' or in the process of leaving.


    I hope this is not true, but I have no way of knowing.
    R.I.P.
    Please pray for the repose of my soul.

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    « Reply #7 on: May 05, 2013, 05:28:10 PM »
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  • Quote from: Matto
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    Most of the decent SSPX priests have been 'expelled' or in the process of leaving.


    I hope this is not true, but I have no way of knowing.


    My priority is with the priests, who have spoken out and are for the resistance. I have given up on the neo SSPX of Bishop Fellay.

    Those priests who have remained silent might as well remain silent. They just don't seem to be fighters. I would have more admiration for Bishop Williamson, Fr Pfeiffer,  and the others, who are actually organising and mobilising the resistance. Whilst sad they have to do it, they are noble priests unlike those, who have remained silent or have made excuses.

    Hopefully, we could get a chapel in Ireland.


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    « Reply #8 on: May 05, 2013, 05:31:05 PM »
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  • The loose network won't have the blind obedience that is destroying the SSPX. A nice and noble resistance is emerging.

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    « Reply #9 on: May 05, 2013, 05:38:33 PM »
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  • I still attend an SSPX chapel. My priest has spoken against the resistance a couple of times, but he also recently said that parts of Vatican II and the New Mass cannot be accepted in a traditional way. I thought this was contradictory.
    R.I.P.
    Please pray for the repose of my soul.

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    « Reply #10 on: May 05, 2013, 06:42:16 PM »
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  • I also discovered within The Angelus magazine that Fr. Peter Scott is not doing the Q&A in this issue.  ???  Fr. Dominique Bourmaud is.

    I remember hearing that Fr. Peter Scott was not in full accord with what is going on in Menzingen; I do not know, is this The Angelus boot out for not being in line?

    That may be a good thing...


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    « Reply #11 on: May 05, 2013, 09:44:54 PM »
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  • If Fr Boyle said that the laity should not get involved, which I do not doubt, as it
    comes from an honorable source, I 'll just chalk it up to the continuing brain washing of the
    SSPX clergy. My heart, truly, goes out to the best of them. They did not get into the priesthood to be against the faithful. For most of the good ones , they genuinely sacrificed their lives to work for Christ and save souls. Even though they had certainly heard Christ's admonition through St Paul ( " if I or an angel of  light were to teach you a new doctrine, Let him be ANATHEMA!"),
    how often do you think they were told by Schmidberger, Lorans, LeRoux, Rostand, Fellay (and the rest of the traitors)," now, listen closely, young seminarians: some day soon we, your professors snd superiors will be bringing you a new doctrine-- a doctrine contrary to thr Catholic faith. And when we feed it to you, we sill sugar coat it and make it look real good!  But, your duty is exactly what Our  Lord  said: resist us and let us be anathema!"
        They probably didn 't hear that at all. What they did hear was:
    "Obey,Obey,Obey." "We are the standard for the Catholic Church--
    Follow only us!"
         And they ( the seminarians) saw with their own eyes what happens to those who
    fall "out of favor" with the dictator: they get marginalized, stripped of "Plum " appointments,
    Sent to Africa or Zimbawa, or India. They are expelled, derided, and calumniated. Look at the lies they still repeat about the " nine " from 1983! Even last fall, in Ridgefield, as Fr. Rostand was telling tall tales about the "Nine" ( the SSPV fathers), when he was corrected, his only response was, "well, that's what I was told--I wasn't here then!"  ( thats right--from the Superior of the District !)
       So, the priests-- we pray they wake up and stand up soon! But  as for our duty, it is clear. We are confirmed Catholics, we are not members of the Masonic religion, so we are bound to fight for Christ , and His rights. And we are still free to fight for Christ.
      And we take our charge from the order of Cardinal Bacci, who, along with Cardinal Ottaviani, Archbishop Lefebvre, and Bp. DeLaurier,wrote the famous Intervention, when asked by one of the
    Leading laypeople of Tradition who brought Archbishop Lefebvre to Australia in 1972, "Your Emminence, what can be done?" "dear faithful", the Cardinal replied, "you will have to work
    To restore the Church! "
       So, don't listen to the ill-advised Fathers Boyle! And so we work .Save our souls


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    « Reply #12 on: May 06, 2013, 02:38:20 PM »
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  • Regarding Fr Boyle, I based my comment on what he said to a friend of mine several years ago. He (Fr Boyle) didn't feel the laity should meddle in the business of the SSPX. Personally my friend, who attends the Traditional Mass but not via the SSPX hasn't involved himself in the politics of the SSPX.

    There is no doubt though the priests prefer the laity not to ask questions.

    As a Traditional Catholic, I have a massive difficulty with SSPX priests telling lies from the pulpits.  I don't include Fr Boyle as having told lies but other SSPX priests have told blatant lies from the pulpits.

    To not be aware of facts is one matter but to tell lies is another.  The art of lying should be left to professional liars, politicians. They are elected to be corrupt and tell lies.

     

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    « Reply #13 on: May 06, 2013, 03:02:15 PM »
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  • neoSSPX priests lie?  You must mean their practice of "mental reservation"!

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    « Reply #14 on: May 06, 2013, 03:29:16 PM »
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  • Quote from: Domitilla
    neoSSPX priests lie?  You must mean their practice of "mental reservation"!


    Mental reservation is acceptable and should be applied.

    I can only speak for myself but would prefer not to attend Mass via the SSPX. I know who my true friends are. That is for certain.