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Offline Tradman

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Re: Fr. Pagliarani addresses the covid vaccine question
« Reply #30 on: January 06, 2022, 08:33:09 AM »
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  • Then there's the thousands and thousands of vax damages and even death.  Does this seriously misinformed character only watch CNN? 

    I had to edit to add this question.  If Pag's opinion were only lack of information, it still isn't an excuse, but because the information is readily available, wouldn't he be guilty of assisted ѕυιcιdє/murder?  Does he seriously not know one single person who died or was injured from the vax?  I don't travel the world and meet thousands of people on a regular basis and I know.  

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    Re: Fr. Pagliarani addresses the covid vaccine question
    « Reply #31 on: January 06, 2022, 08:38:59 AM »
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  •  It is scandalous and disgusting!


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    « Reply #32 on: January 06, 2022, 08:43:07 AM »
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    *In this case, I would say that a father may in fact have a duty to take it if it means he can continue to provide for his family, even if that time ends up as short.
    The problem with this line of thinking is...it's from 2020...a year ago, (at least in America), everything was in lockdown and there was no way to fight back.  Fast forward to today and there are all kinds of lawsuits, and back-pedaling by the govt.  The law is on the anti-jab side; we are winning.  Most states aren't locked down and most companies (outside of the medical industry) a) allow religious exemptions and b) you can get weekly tested instead of the jab.


    There is no "life or death or starve" situation anymore.  Fr P totally ignores this and the new-sspx'ers will suffer for it.  If Fr P is an infiltrator, he's probably hoping most of the priests die due to health effects of the clot shot.

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    « Reply #33 on: January 06, 2022, 08:53:29 AM »
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    Fr. Pagliarani's opening speech lasted 24 minutes.  He spent the first ten minutes building up to the notion that the SSPX has chosen to "step aside" because this is a "medical issue".  Ridiculous.  Medical issues often have moral aspects, take sterilization, or in vitro fertilization, etc.  He implies that this is solely a medical issue.
    Thx, Lad, for the summary.  I can't stomach listening to it.  He's either trying to dupe these people or he has the IQ of a newt.

    Novak Djokovic, one of the top tennis players in the world, was just denied entry into Australia for one of the biggest tennis events of the year.  The Aussie govt didn't accept his medical exemption.  He was met at the airport, told his exemption didn't suffice and told to go home.  Not only was he not allowed to play tennis, he wasn't allowed inside the country.  These people are psychos!

    This is not a medical issue; it's about CONTROL, pure and simple.  It's pre-communism.  If Fr P doesn't, or can't, accept this, then the new-sspx is already lost.

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    Re: Fr. Pagliarani addresses the covid vaccine question
    « Reply #34 on: January 06, 2022, 08:56:51 AM »
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  • As I said above, I think Pagliarani is using sophistic techniques to "soothe" the "itching ears" of his audience. Here is what St. Paul said on the subject (2 Timothy 4):


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    1 I charge thee, before God and Jesus Christ, who shall judge the living and the dead, by his coming, and his kingdom: 2 Preach the word: be instant in season, out of season: reprove, entreat, rebuke in all patience and doctrine.  3 For there shall be a time, when they will not endure sound doctrine; but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears:  4 And will indeed turn away their hearing from the truth, but will be turned unto fables.  5 But be thou vigilant, labour in all things, do the work of an evangelist, fulfil thy ministry. Be sober.


    Listen at 32:50 where Pagliarani uses St. Paul (1 Corinthians 8) to JUSTIFY the vaccines. That discussion of St. Paul uses the example of "eating meat sacrificed to idols," which is what Pagliarani focuses on. But the main point that St. Paul was making was that a Christian cannot do something that will "scandalize" the weaker members of the Body of Christ. Again, "eating meat sacrificed to idols" was just the specific example he used to illustrate the general moral teaching "to avoid scandal."

    Pagliarani turns St. Paul's words upside down. With a hand wave, Pagliarani says "scandalizing others is another matter," which he does not bring up again. He focuses only on St. Paul setting up the moral issue by using the example of "eating meat sacrificed to idols." Far from saying that a Christian SHOULD eat, St. Paul says the Christian may eat IF AND ONLY IF it would not cause a scandal for the weaker members.

    So to apply St. Paul's reasoning to our situation, using the example of the Covid vaccine, even if the vaccine did not actually contain aborted baby parts (which it does), but some Catholics thought that it did, and we Catholics consumed those vaccines, we would scandalize the consciences of those who thought the vaccines were made with aborted babies. In that case, we must avoid the vaccine to avoid the scandal.

    See St. John Chrysostom's commentary on the issue if you are having trouble understanding St. Paul. You can find it here:

    https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/220120.htm

    The main point is made in the explanations of verses 8:9-8:13 at the bottom of the St. John's commentary.


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    Re: Fr. Pagliarani addresses the covid vaccine question
    « Reply #35 on: January 06, 2022, 09:14:30 AM »
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  • As I said above, I think Pagliarani is using sophistic techniques to "soothe" the "itching ears" of his audience. Here is what St. Paul said on the subject (2 Timothy 4):



    Listen at 32:50 where Pagliarani uses St. Paul (1 Corinthians 8) to JUSTIFY the vaccines. That discussion of St. Paul uses the example of "eating meat sacrificed to idols," which is what Pagliarani focuses on. But the main point that St. Paul was making was that a Christian cannot do something that will "scandalize" the weaker members of the Body of Christ. Again, "eating meat sacrificed to idols" was just the specific example he used to illustrate the general moral teaching "to avoid scandal."

    Pagliarani turns St. Paul's words upside down. With a hand wave, Pagliarani says "scandalizing others is another matter," which he does not bring up again. He focuses only on St. Paul setting up the moral issue by using the example of "eating meat sacrificed to idols." Far from saying that a Christian SHOULD eat, St. Paul says the Christian may eat IF AND ONLY IF it would not cause a scandal for the weaker members.

    So to apply St. Paul's reasoning to our situation, using the example of the Covid vaccine, even if the vaccine did not actually contain aborted baby parts (which it does), but some Catholics thought that it did, and we Catholics consumed those vaccines, we would scandalize the consciences of those who thought the vaccines were made with aborted babies. In that case, we must avoid the vaccine to avoid the scandal.

    See St. John Chrysostom's commentary on the issue if you are having trouble understanding St. Paul. You can find it here:

    https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/220120.htm

    The main point is made in the explanations of verses 8:9-8:13 at the bottom of the St. John's commentary.
    This is a great point because scandal is a relatively light weight sin compared to eating meat sacrificed to idols because one is a sin against man and the other is a sin against God.

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    Re: Fr. Pagliarani addresses the covid vaccine question
    « Reply #36 on: January 06, 2022, 09:21:34 AM »
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  • Scandal can be just as grave as the matter in question.  The example of "sacrificing to idols" would be 2 grave sins - one of violating the 1st commandment, and the second of scandalizing one's neighbor to do the same.  This is why, even when roman officials told Christians to "tell everyone" they sacrificed (even when they didn't), that this would be the same level of serious sin.  Because scandal is just as serious as the actual crime.

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    Re: Fr. Pagliarani addresses the covid vaccine question
    « Reply #37 on: January 06, 2022, 10:24:29 AM »
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  • I wish Catholics wouldn't focus so much on the abortion tainted injection question. (((They))) can so easily overcome this by bringing out a new shot with no connection to aborted babies and then Catholics will have no excuse not to take it.

    The reason not to take it, is that the covidian circus is a lie and to take the injection is a public acknowledgement of that lie. That, should be enough for any Catholic or reasonable person to refuse the shot, even if it were just a saline solution and even if the government was giving out fake vaccination certificates.

    I suspect that the reason Sweden was spared from the covidian circus, is that the swedes are pretty much OK with a being chipped and marked for the upcoming cashless slave regime.

     



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    Re: Fr. Pagliarani addresses the covid vaccine question
    « Reply #38 on: January 06, 2022, 10:44:54 AM »
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  • I wish Catholics wouldn't focus so much on the abortion tainted injection question. (((They))) can so easily overcome this by bringing out a new shot with no connection to aborted babies and then Catholics will have no excuse not to take it.

    The reason not to take it, is that the covidian circus is a lie and to take the injection is a public acknowledgement of that lie. That, should be enough for any Catholic or reasonable person to refuse the shot, even if it were just a saline solution and even if the government was giving out fake vaccination certificates.

    I suspect that the reason Sweden was spared from the covidian circus, is that the swedes are pretty much OK with a being chipped and marked for the upcoming cashless slave regime.

     
    I concur 100%. It is all there.
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

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    Re: Fr. Pagliarani addresses the covid vaccine question
    « Reply #39 on: January 06, 2022, 12:41:42 PM »
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  • I wish Catholics wouldn't focus so much on the abortion tainted injection question. (((They))) can so easily overcome this by bringing out a new shot with no connection to aborted babies and then Catholics will have no excuse not to take it.

    The reason not to take it, is that the covidian circus is a lie and to take the injection is a public acknowledgement of that lie. That, should be enough for any Catholic or reasonable person to refuse the shot, even if it were just a saline solution and even if the government was giving out fake vaccination certificates.

    I suspect that the reason Sweden was spared from the covidian circus, is that the swedes are pretty much OK with a being chipped and marked for the upcoming cashless slave regime.

     


    This is true.

    Unfortunately there is much more to understanding why they want to inject many, many shots into the entire world population.

    Clearly it's not about stopping infection or transmission.

    So why?


    This is directed evolution.


    Pfizer CEO calls its jab ‘gene editing,’ exposes his clear belief in eugenics

    Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla had an hour-long interview on Tuesday with Frederick Kemp of the Atlantic Council in which he calls mRNA shots a “gene editing,” which is an admission the mRNA jabs are not vaccines. Bourla also claims that scientists can “repair the mistakes” in DNA, or in other words they can play God.

    https://thelibertyloft.com/2021/11/10/opinion-pfizer-ceo-calls-its-jab-gene-editing-exposes-his-clear-belief-in-eugenics/



    (We are giving them permission to genetically alter the entire human race.)


    “Eugenics is the practice or advocacy of improving the human species by selectively mating people with specific desirable hereditary traits. It aims to reduce human suffering by ‘breeding out’ disease, disabilities and so-called undesirable characteristics from the human population. Early supporters of eugenics believed people inherited mental illness, criminal tendencies and even poverty, and that these conditions could be bred out of the gene pool,”


    “Gene drives are a gene-editing application that allows genetic engineers to drive a single artificial trait through an entire population by ensuring that all of an organism’s offspring carry that trait. For example, recent experiments are fitting mice with ‘daughterless’ gene drives that will cascade through mouse populations so that only male pups are born, ensuring that the population becomes extinct after a few generations,”


     

    (Note from Miser:  They can choose which characteristics they want to enhance or delete from humanity and Bourla just like the leaders at the NIH and the WEF make it very clear they intend to do just that.  I have posted several videos of their very clear statements.  They are excited to now have "write level permissions" to use the "plug and play" operating system the Moderna website brags about.)




    Also, edited genes are patentable:

    US Supreme Court Says Synthetic Genes Are Patentable, Naturally Occurring Genes Are Not

    "However, the court also upheld patents of synthetically created genes, known as complementary DNA or cDNA. "

    https://singularityhub.com/2013/06/17/us-supreme-court-says-synthetic-genes-are-patentable-naturally-occurring-genes-are-not/



    How do you create complementary DNA (cDNA)??
    By using mRNA.

    How is mRNA converted to cDNA?
    Reverse Transcription PCR

    First, the enzyme reverse transcriptase uses the mRNA template to produce a complementary single-stranded DNA strand called cDNA in a process known as reverse transcription. Next, DNA polymerase is used to convert the single-stranded cDNA into double-stranded DNA.
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/neuroscience/reverse-transcription-polymerase-chain-reaction

    This medical paper confirms it:


    Reverse-transcribed SARS-CoV-2 RNA can integrate into the genome of cultured human cells and can be expressed in patient-derived tissues


    https://www.pnas.org/content/118/21/e2105968118




    Why can't they understand this? 

    We have to protect the children.





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    Re: Fr. Pagliarani addresses the covid vaccine question
    « Reply #40 on: January 06, 2022, 01:28:50 PM »
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  • I wish Catholics wouldn't focus so much on the abortion tainted injection question. (((They))) can so easily overcome this by bringing out a new shot with no connection to aborted babies and then Catholics will have no excuse not to take it.

    The reason not to take it, is that the covidian circus is a lie and to take the injection is a public acknowledgement of that lie. That, should be enough for any Catholic or reasonable person to refuse the shot, even if it were just a saline solution and even if the government was giving out fake vaccination certificates.

    I suspect that the reason Sweden was spared from the covidian circus, is that the swedes are pretty much OK with a being chipped and marked for the upcoming cashless slave regime.

     


    For me, the reasons not to take the jab rank thusly:

    1) Abortion-tainted;

    2) Scandal wounds the credibility of the Church;

    3) Violation of natural law;

    4) Danger to health;

    5) Prepares the terrain for the Antichrist;

    6) Complicity in a lie for personal advantage/convenience is dishonorable.

    Disagreeing with Ladislaus is heretical and blasphemous!


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    Re: Fr. Pagliarani addresses the covid vaccine question
    « Reply #41 on: January 06, 2022, 01:53:50 PM »
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  • The SSPX wants to remain neutral, so they omit and ignore that babies born alive were sacrificed to create the clot shot. If the aborted fetal cell issue was mentioned, neutrality in their position could not be maintained. 

    They have lost their way. Unfortunately. 

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    « Reply #42 on: January 06, 2022, 02:22:36 PM »
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    For me, the reasons not to take the jab rank thusly:

    1) Abortion-tainted;

    2) Scandal wounds the credibility of the Church;

    3) Violation of natural law;

    4) Danger to health;

    5) Prepares the terrain for the Antichrist;

    6) Complicity in a lie for personal advantage/convenience is dishonorable.
    These are good but I'd rank them differently:

    1a.  Abortion-tainted
    1b.  Violation of freedom, which if lost to govt, means the entire Church system (mass/sacraments) is in jeopardy.  Loss of freedom = loss of Church.  This is proved by history and what happened (for a short time) in 2020 at the start of this mess.

    All the other reasons are subordinate to these 2.

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    « Reply #43 on: January 06, 2022, 02:38:50 PM »
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  • 1) abortion -- part of a Satanic sacrament (attempting to get everyone to participate in their child sacrifice industry)
    2) NWO program to assert control with the ultimate end of destroying the Church and increasing the hold of Satan over the world, paving the way for Antichrist
    3) intentional program of genocide and population reduction

    These all go hand in hand.

    Concerns about health stem from #3.

    Fr. Pagliarani spun the desire to rebel against #2 as if it were an illegitimate Modernist aspiration to "freedom" and "human rights".  Human rights vis-a-vis a government do exist.  Governments do not have the right to butcher their population.

    All this stove dovetails together and Pagliarani deceiptfully decomposed them into separate concerns.

    He's aiding and abetting the Satanic nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr.  He was acting like a bigger pusillanimous coward than even +Fellay ever was.

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    « Reply #44 on: January 06, 2022, 03:12:22 PM »
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  • :popcorn:  I like the recent posts, trying to succinctly summarize reasons not to take the jαb.  I think I like Ladislaus' best so far.


    1) abortion -- part of a Satanic sacrament (attempting to get everyone to participate in their child sacrifice industry)
    2) NWO program to assert control with the ultimate end of destroying the Church and increasing the hold of Satan over the world, paving the way for Antichrist
    3) intentional program of genocide and population reduction

    These all go hand in hand.

    Concerns about health stem from #3.