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Author Topic: Fr. Pagliarani addresses the covid vaccine question  (Read 18585 times)

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Offline Angelus

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Re: Fr. Pagliarani addresses the covid vaccine question
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2022, 07:27:33 PM »
Pagliarani is a sophist. Far from supporting his lame argument, the example of food sacrificed to idols (1 Corinthians 8-11) provides the moral framework for REJECTING the vaccines because, by providing a market for pharmaceuticals tested on aborted fetal tissue, we encourage the development of additional aborted fetal cell lines. And it is precisely the SCANDAL of Catholics publicly consuming items generated by sacrilege to extend their own lives that St. Paul warned against.

The Resistance is correct. The Society is rotten at the top (including the Districts). However, I still believe that there are many good Society priests. Ours has directly contradicted the Society position on the vaccines, because of the abortion issue, in multiple homilies.
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Offline Ladislaus

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« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2022, 07:33:15 PM »
So now he begins to ramble around material remote cooperation, though he never uses the actual phrase, saying instead that it's possible to "take advantage of the evil done by others".

"Take advantage"?  That is NOT the right expression here.

He uses the example of taking a cornea from a person who was "killed" (presumably he means "murdered").

Ridiculous example because --
1) you can only take the cornea if the person indicated a willingness to donate it (vs. the theft of the remains of the aborted baby)
2) you can't do that if they're killing people in order to supply corneas

We're in scenario #2 here and not just a person who happened to be killed.

Then he babbles about he it's OK to take a mosque and convert it into a Catholic Church or eat meat sacrified to idols.  Has absolutely nothing to do with this issue.

If there were an operation where people were going around murdering individuals to provide a supply of corneas, yes indeed it would be formal cooperation in the evil for you to go in and receive that procedure.  This is actually one of the clearest example yet (ironically incorrectly applied to support his position) of why it's evil to get the jab.
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Offline Ladislaus

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« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2022, 07:35:25 PM »
And here's one of the most disturbing parts.

Evidently there was someone from "Catholic Answers" sitting on the panel who chimed in that "Catholic Answers" and "catholic.com" wholeheartedly support the SSPX position as consistent with Catholic theology.

What is Catholic Answers doing at an SSPX conference?  Fact that these two are in league now tells me everything that I need to know about neo-SSPX.
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Offline bodeens

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« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2022, 07:40:26 PM »
Reconciliation with Rome: The Speech
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Fr. Pagliarani addresses the covid vaccine question
« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2022, 07:43:18 PM »
Quote from: Angelus on January 05, 2022, 07:27:33 PM
Pagliarani is a sophist. Far from supporting his lame argument, the example of food sacrificed to idols (1 Corinthians 8-11) provides the moral framework for REJECTING the vaccines because, by providing a market for pharmaceuticals tested on aborted fetal tissue, we encourage the development of additional aborted fetal cell lines. And it is precisely the SCANDAL of Catholics publicly consuming items generated by sacrilege to extend their own lives that St. Paul warned against.

The Resistance is correct. The Society is rotten at the top (including the Districts). However, I still believe that there are many good Society priests. Ours has directly contradicted the Society position on the vaccines, because of the abortion issue, in multiple homilies.

Yes, you beat me to it.  His worst example, the first one, is taking the cornea from a "killed" person.  Presumably he means someone "murdered" rather than, say, "killed" in a car accident.

1) it would be a grave sin to take the cornea if the person did not give prior consent (designated as a donor).  That's the Fr. Ripperger argument.  It's correct.  It's tantamout to theft of their remains.

2) if there were an operation that killed people in order to take their corneas, that's not simply after-the-fact cooperation with evil.  It's formal cooperation with the entire operation.  That's the +Vigano argument.  It's correct.  Bishop Williamson agreed with this.
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