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Offline DustyActual

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Fr. Pagliarani addresses the covid vaccine question
« on: January 05, 2022, 06:18:22 PM »
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    • This talk by Fr. Pagliarani was recently uploaded on youtube. What do you guys think?
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    Re: Fr. Pagliarani addresses the covid vaccine question
    « Reply #1 on: January 05, 2022, 06:37:24 PM »
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    • Just listened to the first third.

    9:37 - 10:02 .... BOOOOOOOOOO!  :facepalm:

    spends the first 10 minutes dancing around, leads up to this remark by saying it's legitimate to be opposed to mandatory vaccination (ignores the topic of abortion at this point)

    but ends this segment by claiming.  "This is a medical issue, and that's why the SSPX isn't entering straight into this debate." (paraphrase)

    This is the neo-SSPX.
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    Re: Fr. Pagliarani addresses the covid vaccine question
    « Reply #2 on: January 05, 2022, 06:39:47 PM »
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    • No, it's not primarily a "medical issue" and the reason neo-SSPX isn't entering into this debate is that they don't want to take sides and get anyone upset ... and therefore get bad PR and lose revenue.  Just admit it, Father and stop peeing on everyone's head and telling them it's raining.
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    Re: Fr. Pagliarani addresses the covid vaccine question
    « Reply #3 on: January 05, 2022, 06:45:30 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on January 05, 2022, 06:37:24 PM
    Just listened to the first third.

    You have quite a stomach. Someone has to watch it and confirm what everyone was expecting. Thanks.
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    Re: Fr. Pagliarani addresses the covid vaccine question
    « Reply #4 on: January 05, 2022, 06:46:16 PM »
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    • about 13:00 - 15:00 starts talking about Globalism but refuses to address this on those terms because it's effectively irrelevant to the consideration of the current situation

    15:00 - 16:45 or so, "must keep a supernatural perspective" (i.e. cop-out from having to address the issue).  We must realize this whole thing is a punishment from God.  Thank you, Father Sherlock, for taking 2 minutes to explain what every Catholic realizes, and turning it into an excuse for not addressing the matter.

    Nearly halfway through now, and NOT ONE MENTION OF ABORTION.

    starting to return to "Globalism" now after this digression into the "supernatural perspective" cop-out.
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    Re: Fr. Pagliarani addresses the covid vaccine question
    « Reply #5 on: January 05, 2022, 06:54:01 PM »
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    • 16:45 - 18:30 ... COVID is a distraction from issues like "same sex marriage" (implied, the really imporant stuff) ... takes our "focus" off of it

    18:33 "last reason ... why the Society steps aside" ... I can't wait

    What a digusting cop-out, and calling it "stepping aside".
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    Re: Fr. Pagliarani addresses the covid vaccine question
    « Reply #6 on: January 05, 2022, 07:01:29 PM »
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    • 18:33 - 21:26 you need to sit down for this one.  This is rich.

    SSPX steps aside because there's the anti-vax movement is driven largely by the far left, in the interests of human rights and free choice, and are in league with the "my body my choice" movement.  He's characterizing the ANTI-vax movement as being allied with the PRO-ABORTIOINISTS.  This is his first reference to abortion and he ties it to the anti-Vax movement.  Doesn't use the word but refers to "it's my belly".
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    Re: Fr. Pagliarani addresses the covid vaccine question
    « Reply #7 on: January 05, 2022, 07:07:18 PM »
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    • 21:26 - 23:26 ... and ironically the pro-vax side is driven by the same false principles:  "freedom" and "human rights".  So it's evil to believe that people should have certain freedoms and rights in a normal society?  He says these people want to impose the vax so they can return to "normal" and be free.

    If I had eaten dinner right before watching this, I'd be throwing up right about now.

    If I were in the audience, I'd be booing and heckling him at this point.

    SSPX is totally dead.  It's a worthless carcass of its former self.
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    Re: Fr. Pagliarani addresses the covid vaccine question
    « Reply #8 on: January 05, 2022, 07:10:09 PM »
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    • Finishes in another 30 seconds.  "But it's a big issue.  We trust in Providence in this crisis, which has never abandoned us in striving to retain Tradition."

    So he presumes that God will help them despite their failure to do anything to stand up against this evil.

    Truly disgusting.  Receives applause at the end here, 24:00 ... not sure why the video is 36:00 minutes long.  Applause he received tells you the state of the SSXP sheep.

    I'm truly disgusted.
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    Re: Fr. Pagliarani addresses the covid vaccine question
    « Reply #9 on: January 05, 2022, 07:12:46 PM »
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    • Apparently 24-36 is a Q&A panel from the following day.

    So in his main speech about COVID, in 24 minutes, he did not so much as mention the problem of abortion-tainting of the jabs.

    So he finally addresses the abortion-tainting question being forced to by a question.

    He says that it's permissible to take the jab, "legitimate to take" is his expression, and that it reduces to a "prudential" consideration where each individual has to consider the impact to his health.  He says that it's an "extremely delicate" question (I've never seen a bigger spineless jellyfish in my life) and he's starting out by cautioning that we immediately have an emotional revulsion due to hearing the word "abortion" ... but (it's where I get cut off) ... my guess is he's leading toward saying that we can't let our reasoning be guided by such an emotional and irrational reaction.  I'll see if I was right.
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    Re: Fr. Pagliarani addresses the covid vaccine question
    « Reply #10 on: January 05, 2022, 07:27:33 PM »
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    • Pagliarani is a sophist. Far from supporting his lame argument, the example of food sacrificed to idols (1 Corinthians 8-11) provides the moral framework for REJECTING the vaccines because, by providing a market for pharmaceuticals tested on aborted fetal tissue, we encourage the development of additional aborted fetal cell lines. And it is precisely the SCANDAL of Catholics publicly consuming items generated by sacrilege to extend their own lives that St. Paul warned against.

    The Resistance is correct. The Society is rotten at the top (including the Districts). However, I still believe that there are many good Society priests. Ours has directly contradicted the Society position on the vaccines, because of the abortion issue, in multiple homilies.
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    Re: Fr. Pagliarani addresses the covid vaccine question
    « Reply #11 on: January 05, 2022, 07:33:15 PM »
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    • So now he begins to ramble around material remote cooperation, though he never uses the actual phrase, saying instead that it's possible to "take advantage of the evil done by others".

    "Take advantage"?  That is NOT the right expression here.

    He uses the example of taking a cornea from a person who was "killed" (presumably he means "murdered").

    Ridiculous example because --
    1) you can only take the cornea if the person indicated a willingness to donate it (vs. the theft of the remains of the aborted baby)
    2) you can't do that if they're killing people in order to supply corneas

    We're in scenario #2 here and not just a person who happened to be killed.

    Then he babbles about he it's OK to take a mosque and convert it into a Catholic Church or eat meat sacrified to idols.  Has absolutely nothing to do with this issue.

    If there were an operation where people were going around murdering individuals to provide a supply of corneas, yes indeed it would be formal cooperation in the evil for you to go in and receive that procedure.  This is actually one of the clearest example yet (ironically incorrectly applied to support his position) of why it's evil to get the jab.
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    Re: Fr. Pagliarani addresses the covid vaccine question
    « Reply #12 on: January 05, 2022, 07:35:25 PM »
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    • And here's one of the most disturbing parts.

    Evidently there was someone from "Catholic Answers" sitting on the panel who chimed in that "Catholic Answers" and "catholic.com" wholeheartedly support the SSPX position as consistent with Catholic theology.

    What is Catholic Answers doing at an SSPX conference?  Fact that these two are in league now tells me everything that I need to know about neo-SSPX.
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    Re: Fr. Pagliarani addresses the covid vaccine question
    « Reply #13 on: January 05, 2022, 07:40:26 PM »
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    Re: Fr. Pagliarani addresses the covid vaccine question
    « Reply #14 on: January 05, 2022, 07:43:18 PM »
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    • Quote from: Angelus on January 05, 2022, 07:27:33 PM
    Pagliarani is a sophist. Far from supporting his lame argument, the example of food sacrificed to idols (1 Corinthians 8-11) provides the moral framework for REJECTING the vaccines because, by providing a market for pharmaceuticals tested on aborted fetal tissue, we encourage the development of additional aborted fetal cell lines. And it is precisely the SCANDAL of Catholics publicly consuming items generated by sacrilege to extend their own lives that St. Paul warned against.

    The Resistance is correct. The Society is rotten at the top (including the Districts). However, I still believe that there are many good Society priests. Ours has directly contradicted the Society position on the vaccines, because of the abortion issue, in multiple homilies.

    Yes, you beat me to it.  His worst example, the first one, is taking the cornea from a "killed" person.  Presumably he means someone "murdered" rather than, say, "killed" in a car accident.

    1) it would be a grave sin to take the cornea if the person did not give prior consent (designated as a donor).  That's the Fr. Ripperger argument.  It's correct.  It's tantamout to theft of their remains.

    2) if there were an operation that killed people in order to take their corneas, that's not simply after-the-fact cooperation with evil.  It's formal cooperation with the entire operation.  That's the +Vigano argument.  It's correct.  Bishop Williamson agreed with this.
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