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Author Topic: Fr. Pagliarani addresses the covid vaccine question  (Read 18520 times)

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Offline Tradman

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Re: Fr. Pagliarani addresses the covid vaccine question
« Reply #30 on: January 06, 2022, 08:33:09 AM »
Then there's the thousands and thousands of vax damages and even death.  Does this seriously misinformed character only watch CNN? 

I had to edit to add this question.  If Pag's opinion were only lack of information, it still isn't an excuse, but because the information is readily available, wouldn't he be guilty of assisted ѕυιcιdє/murder?  Does he seriously not know one single person who died or was injured from the vax?  I don't travel the world and meet thousands of people on a regular basis and I know.  

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« Reply #31 on: January 06, 2022, 08:38:59 AM »
 It is scandalous and disgusting!


Offline Pax Vobis

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« Reply #32 on: January 06, 2022, 08:43:07 AM »
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*In this case, I would say that a father may in fact have a duty to take it if it means he can continue to provide for his family, even if that time ends up as short.
The problem with this line of thinking is...it's from 2020...a year ago, (at least in America), everything was in lockdown and there was no way to fight back.  Fast forward to today and there are all kinds of lawsuits, and back-pedaling by the govt.  The law is on the anti-jab side; we are winning.  Most states aren't locked down and most companies (outside of the medical industry) a) allow religious exemptions and b) you can get weekly tested instead of the jab.


There is no "life or death or starve" situation anymore.  Fr P totally ignores this and the new-sspx'ers will suffer for it.  If Fr P is an infiltrator, he's probably hoping most of the priests die due to health effects of the clot shot.

Offline Pax Vobis

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« Reply #33 on: January 06, 2022, 08:53:29 AM »
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Fr. Pagliarani's opening speech lasted 24 minutes.  He spent the first ten minutes building up to the notion that the SSPX has chosen to "step aside" because this is a "medical issue".  Ridiculous.  Medical issues often have moral aspects, take sterilization, or in vitro fertilization, etc.  He implies that this is solely a medical issue.
Thx, Lad, for the summary.  I can't stomach listening to it.  He's either trying to dupe these people or he has the IQ of a newt.

Novak Djokovic, one of the top tennis players in the world, was just denied entry into Australia for one of the biggest tennis events of the year.  The Aussie govt didn't accept his medical exemption.  He was met at the airport, told his exemption didn't suffice and told to go home.  Not only was he not allowed to play tennis, he wasn't allowed inside the country.  These people are psychos!

This is not a medical issue; it's about CONTROL, pure and simple.  It's pre-communism.  If Fr P doesn't, or can't, accept this, then the new-sspx is already lost.

Offline Angelus

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« Reply #34 on: January 06, 2022, 08:56:51 AM »
As I said above, I think Pagliarani is using sophistic techniques to "soothe" the "itching ears" of his audience. Here is what St. Paul said on the subject (2 Timothy 4):


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1 I charge thee, before God and Jesus Christ, who shall judge the living and the dead, by his coming, and his kingdom: 2 Preach the word: be instant in season, out of season: reprove, entreat, rebuke in all patience and doctrine.  3 For there shall be a time, when they will not endure sound doctrine; but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears:  4 And will indeed turn away their hearing from the truth, but will be turned unto fables.  5 But be thou vigilant, labour in all things, do the work of an evangelist, fulfil thy ministry. Be sober.


Listen at 32:50 where Pagliarani uses St. Paul (1 Corinthians 8) to JUSTIFY the vaccines. That discussion of St. Paul uses the example of "eating meat sacrificed to idols," which is what Pagliarani focuses on. But the main point that St. Paul was making was that a Christian cannot do something that will "scandalize" the weaker members of the Body of Christ. Again, "eating meat sacrificed to idols" was just the specific example he used to illustrate the general moral teaching "to avoid scandal."

Pagliarani turns St. Paul's words upside down. With a hand wave, Pagliarani says "scandalizing others is another matter," which he does not bring up again. He focuses only on St. Paul setting up the moral issue by using the example of "eating meat sacrificed to idols." Far from saying that a Christian SHOULD eat, St. Paul says the Christian may eat IF AND ONLY IF it would not cause a scandal for the weaker members.

So to apply St. Paul's reasoning to our situation, using the example of the Covid vaccine, even if the vaccine did not actually contain aborted baby parts (which it does), but some Catholics thought that it did, and we Catholics consumed those vaccines, we would scandalize the consciences of those who thought the vaccines were made with aborted babies. In that case, we must avoid the vaccine to avoid the scandal.

See St. John Chrysostom's commentary on the issue if you are having trouble understanding St. Paul. You can find it here:

https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/220120.htm

The main point is made in the explanations of verses 8:9-8:13 at the bottom of the St. John's commentary.