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Bergoglio is pope and therefore automatically a champion of theological rectitude. This has to be the (political) position of Menzingen allowing it further dialogue with Rome ..... and the attitude of the perplexed laity which in theory must always acknowledge Rome however painful. All this in spite of the conciliar theological revolution and a half-century succession of promoters with now Bergoglio as its most audacious exponent. This dynasity of despair is going to run and run and the SSPX will be running after it as a textbook example of how conservatives try hard to catch up with liberals. Those prepared to do this will find their traditionalism evaporating ... but will they notice it? They can always console themselves with the old Mass and be grateful for the conciliarists permitting it.

The boggey-man of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ has been resurrected once again but does the bishop define it in modern terms? How far does its culture actually penetrate the Swiss-based organisation or any Western organisation for that matter? He may concede that it is practically impossible to escape it while holding fast to its dangers in theory. So, not practising what one preaches has become the norm and this is true for popes and bishops who should know better if doctrine and application were not in correspondence. But we know too well that, for example, the exclusion of God from government proceedings accords with new Vatican theory, so Bergoglio cannot really be accused of duplicity. The Society and much of the trad world always seems to want to give Rome the benefit of the doubt. Will there ever be a time and situation when this will stop and a spade will be called a spade?  

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I used the word “modernist;”  I think that it was not understood by everybody.  Perhaps I should have said a modernist in his actions.  Once again, he is not a modernist in the absolute, theoretical sense:  a man who develops a whole coherent system;  that coherence does not exist.

If Bergolio is not a modernist, then practically no other bishop is either. Fellay's response is quite telling. It's Bp. Rifan II.

It seems that you have it just right here, bowler.  This is Campos revisited.  XSPXHEBF is steadfastly moving in the same path and will soon capitulate, regardless of the reasons not to.  He's dragging the whole XSPX with him and it's just a matter of a few little details.  

As Frs. Hewko, Pfeiffer and Chazal noticed in principle 18 months ago, the turn has happened and there has been no abjuration of the error.

There has been the back-off of "one step back" this past summer, and what we see with this interview is the turn toward full-speed ahead capitulation with NewRome ("two steps forward").

I'd give him until Easter.  If there's any bridge-burning to do, it will be with regards to anyone who is sympathetic to the Resistance.  

It's over.


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I used the word “modernist;”  I think that it was not understood by everybody.  Perhaps I should have said a modernist in his actions.  Once again, he is not a modernist in the absolute, theoretical sense:  a man who develops a whole coherent system;  that coherence does not exist.

If Bergolio is not a modernist, then practically no other bishop is either. Fellay's response is quite telling. It's Bp. Rifan II.

It seems that you have it just right here, bowler.  This is Campos revisited.  XSPXHEBF is steadfastly moving in the same path and will soon capitulate, regardless of the reasons not to.  He's dragging the whole XSPX with him and it's just a matter of a few little details.  

As Frs. Hewko, Pfeiffer and Chazal noticed in principle 18 months ago, the turn has happened and there has been no abjuration of the error.

There has been the back-off of "one step back" this past summer, and what we see with this interview is the turn toward full-speed ahead capitulation with NewRome ("two steps forward").

I'd give him until Easter.  If there's any bridge-burning to do, it will be with regards to anyone who is sympathetic to the Resistance.  

It's over.


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A great analysis though I wonder about him "dragging the whole XSPX with him". I haven't been able to ignore that the Irish SSPX youth group opted to go to West Cork instead of hearing Bishop Williamson outline the crisis.I thought it revealing.

Many are willing participants. Even at the conference Bishop Williamson gave, I spoke to a few SSPX folk, who spoke well of Bishop Fellay. This being after the facts were outlined.