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Re: SSPX slides further down the slippery slope
« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2017, 05:05:51 PM »
Thanks, last Tradican. I wanted to find the words to highlight but, having read that paragraph, my head was too fuzzy.  :facepalm:

individual conscience needs to be better incorporated into the Church’s praxis in certain situations which do not objectively embody our understanding of marriage.

Does that mean that marriage could possibly be between two people of the same sex, if their consciences allow it?

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Re: SSPX slides further down the slippery slope
« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2017, 07:05:53 PM »
AL 303 says this:

303. Recognizing the influence of such concrete factors, we can add that individual conscience needs to be better incorporated into the Church’s praxis in certain situations which do not objectively embody our understanding of marriage. Naturally, every effort should be made to encourage the development of an enlightened conscience, formed and guided by the responsible and serious discernment of one’s pastor, and to encourage an ever greater trust in God’s grace. Yet conscience can do more than recognize that a given situation does not correspond objectively to the overall demands of the Gospel. It can also recognize with sincerity and honesty what for now is the most generous response which can be given to God, and come to see with a certain moral security that it is what God himself is asking amid the concrete complexity of one’s limits, while yet not fully the objective ideal. In any event, let us recall that this discernment is dynamic; it must remain ever open to new stages of growth and to new decisions which can enable the ideal to be more fully realized.

https://w2.vatican.va/content/dam/francesco/pdf/apost_exhortations/docuмents/papa-francesco_esortazione-ap_20160319_amoris-laetitia_en.pdf

What a load of psychobabble! I might just be tired, but I barely understood any of that. The main point, or what they were trying to convey, certainly eluded me. 

Our Lord, the Apostles, and the Saints down through the ages were never so convoluted in their speech...


Re: SSPX slides further down the slippery slope
« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2017, 07:24:46 PM »
Where did you get this information?  Source please....
I checked this against the Amoris Laetitia from Papal Encyclicals Online and I could not find the quotes you listed.  

I want to ask the same question. You gave two quotes, and they don't show in the docuмent. Why did you put double quotes around them?

Re: SSPX slides further down the slippery slope
« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2017, 07:30:11 PM »
I want to ask the same question. You gave two quotes, and they don't show in the docuмent. Why did you put double quotes around them?
I answered  "the same question" to the other gentleman. Read my response there. I highlighted the parts directly on LT303

re: Why did you put double quotes around them? - all I did was copy and paste the exact quotes made by the OP.

Re: SSPX slides further down the slippery slope
« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2017, 07:35:24 PM »
What a load of psychobabble! I might just be tired, but I barely understood any of that. The main point, or what they were trying to convey, certainly eluded me.

That is the beauty of the OP, it shines a light on it. Now we know. Do we need to know anymore?
The SSPX has lost its savor. They are good only to be trampled upon.

"You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt lose its savour, wherewith shall it be salted? It is good for nothing any more but to be cast out, and to be trodden on by men." (Mat 5:13)