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Offline Incredulous

Re: SSPX slides further down the slippery slope
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2017, 04:38:50 PM »

The SSPX is "spinning" for Francis.

This one time religious organization has prostituted itself.

Never again can they claim to represent "traditional Catholicism".
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Offline Last Tradhican

Re: SSPX slides further down the slippery slope
« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2017, 04:47:21 PM »
Quote from: Mr G on May 08, 2017, 02:23:36 PM
FYI: Fr. Gruner was not a "controlled right". He has called some in the Church hierarchy material heretics and had his doubts that Pope Francis was really a pope or was really a Catholic. I think he shows his doubts here
"I think he shows his doubts here" - that does not cut it, besides he had 2 years after that to speak and he never said anything. The Remnant and CFN both continue with the same as Fr. Gruner. I donated money to Fr. Gruner, The Remnant and CFN, but I have to admit that they proved to be leashed barking dogs. 
Fr. Gruner never declared any pope a heretic, he had strong words for Ratzinger under JPII, but when he became pope, silence. JPII, B-16 , Bergolio are all the same, JPII being the worst because he started it all, and lasted the longest. Yet, Fr. Gruner never said anything against any of them. 
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Offline Last Tradhican

Re: SSPX slides further down the slippery slope
« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2017, 04:50:15 PM »
Quote from: Bellator Dei on May 08, 2017, 02:38:47 PM
– “At times, persisting in the mortal sins of adultery and fornication is the most generous response which can be given to God.” (Amoris Laetitia 303)

– “At times, God Himself asks us to persist in the mortal sins of adultery and fornication.” (Amoris Laetitia 303)

Where did you get this information?  Source please....
I checked this against the Amoris Laetitia from Papal Encyclicals Online and I could not find the quotes you listed.  
Read Amoris Laetitia 303, like the source in the article lists, I did. It says what the article clearly spells out, but in muted language.
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Offline Nadir

Re: SSPX slides further down the slippery slope
« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2017, 04:55:53 PM »
AL 303 says this:

303. Recognizing the influence of such concrete factors, we can add that individual conscience needs to be better incorporated into the Church’s praxis in certain situations which do not objectively embody our understanding of marriage. Naturally, every effort should be made to encourage the development of an enlightened conscience, formed and guided by the responsible and serious discernment of one’s pastor, and to encourage an ever greater trust in God’s grace. Yet conscience can do more than recognize that a given situation does not correspond objectively to the overall demands of the Gospel. It can also recognize with sincerity and honesty what for now is the most generous response which can be given to God, and come to see with a certain moral security that it is what God himself is asking amid the concrete complexity of one’s limits, while yet not fully the objective ideal. In any event, let us recall that this discernment is dynamic; it must remain ever open to new stages of growth and to new decisions which can enable the ideal to be more fully realized. 

https://w2.vatican.va/content/dam/francesco/pdf/apost_exhortations/docuмents/papa-francesco_esortazione-ap_20160319_amoris-laetitia_en.pdf

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Offline Last Tradhican

Re: SSPX slides further down the slippery slope
« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2017, 04:58:21 PM »
Quote from: Last Tradhican on May 08, 2017, 01:43:13 PM
– “At times, persisting in the mortal sins of adultery and fornication is the most generous response which can be given to God.” (Amoris Laetitia 303)

– “At times, God Himself asks us to persist in the mortal sins of adultery and fornication.” (Amoris Laetitia 303)
303. Recognizing the influence of such concrete factors, we can add that individual conscience needs to be better incorporated into the Church’s praxis in certain situations which do not objectively embody our understanding of marriage. Naturally, every effort should be made to encourage the development of an enlightened conscience, formed and guided by the responsible and serious discernment of one’s pastor, and to encourage an ever greater trust in God’s grace. Yet conscience can do more than recognize that a given situation does not correspond objectively to the overall demands of the Gospel. It can also recognize with sincerity and honesty what for now is the most generous response which can be given to God, and come to see with a certain moral security that it is what God himself is asking amid the concrete complexity of one’s limits, while yet not fully the objective ideal. In any event, let us recall that this discernment is dynamic; it must remain ever open to new stages of growth and to new decisions which can enable the ideal to be more fully realized.
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