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https://sspx.org/en/news/future-consecrations-approaching-deadline-50846
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Most of this article was already published in French , in Jan. 2025. This article explains what is licit and valid re: of consecrations of new bishops. Educational for me on some details.
I am not wellread as to the opposition the Sspx had when H.E. Williamson consecrated 6 bishops. It's clear there is a state of necessity etc. ,so what was their take re +W. ?
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"...Today, a number of circuмstances seem to indicate that the favorable moment for new consecrations may have once again arrived. In an interview on November 1, 2024, published in the November-December 2024 issue of The Angelus magazine, Fr. Davide Pagliarani, Superior General of the Society of Saint Pius X, in fact stated, mentioning the recent passing of Bishop Tissier de Mallerais:
“But obviously, Providence is speaking to us through this event. It is very clear that his death raises the question of the continuance of the work of the Society, which now has only two bishops, and whose mission for souls appears ever more necessary, in the time of terrible confusion that the Church is living through today”[1].
2. If this continuity of the Society’s work calls for new episcopal consecrations, it is up to the Superior General of the Society to decide on them. When that moment arrives, it will doubtless be willed by divine Providence. “When the time comes,” Fr. Davide Pagliarani states, “we will know how to take up our responsibilities, in conscience.

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Re: Sspx simply waiting for Superior General's decision re: Consecrations
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2025, 06:14:52 PM »
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  • Yeah, something tells me they will not replace +Williamson and +Tissier with ... better, or even 50% as good.


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    Re: Sspx simply waiting for Superior General's decision re: Consecrations
    « Reply #2 on: March 03, 2025, 06:38:26 PM »
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  • Yeah, something tells me they will not replace +Williamson and +Tissier with ... better, or even 50% as good.
    Bishop Paul Robinson :popcorn:
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    Re: Sspx simply waiting for Superior General's decision re: Consecrations
    « Reply #3 on: March 03, 2025, 07:27:57 PM »
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  • There was a video showing Fr. Trejo, the present (or former, I am not certain) South America district superior on which he said that they will ask the Pope for five or six bishops. The video has been taken down, I heard. It was from some sort of conference.

    My guess is that they are waiting for the Pope to die, so that they may negotiate a better deal with the new Pope, since they already know how much Francis will go to accomodate them.

    With this much bishops, they could reward people from the cupola like Fr. Bouchacourt and still have three or four youngers ones who will last longer.

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    Re: Sspx simply waiting for Superior General's decision re: Consecrations
    « Reply #4 on: March 03, 2025, 07:29:50 PM »
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  • There was a video showing Fr. Trejo, the present (or former, I am not certain) South America district superior on which he said that they will ask the Pope for five or six bishops. The video has been taken down, I heard. It was from some sort of conference.

    My guess is that they are waiting for the Pope to die, so that they may negotiate a better deal with the new Pope, since they already know how much Francis will go to accomodate them.

    With this much bishops, they could reward people from the cupola like Fr. Bouchacourt and still have three or four youngers ones who will last longer.

    :facepalm: ... where to start?  As if Jorge isn't totally involved with the next steps in the plan.  Episcopacy is to "reward people"?  Unbelievable.


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    Re: Sspx simply waiting for Superior General's decision re: Consecrations
    « Reply #5 on: March 03, 2025, 07:34:49 PM »
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  • What a joke.  "Holy Father, I know you hate our guts and call us breeding rabbits, but may we please consecrate five of six bishops?" 
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    Re: Sspx simply waiting for Superior General's decision re: Consecrations
    « Reply #6 on: March 03, 2025, 07:52:24 PM »
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  • :facepalm: ... where to start?  As if Jorge isn't totally involved with the next steps in the plan.  Episcopacy is to "reward people"?  Unbelievable.

    He is surely involved but each Pope has his own style of dealing with the SSPX. Just look how differently the last three acted towards them.

    I am not sure I understand what you mean. Do you think that it is not in line with the SSPX leaders' attitude to reward people that they consider important with the episcopal dignity? It sound perfectly plausible to me, even though it is absurd.

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    Re: Sspx simply waiting for Superior General's decision re: Consecrations
    « Reply #7 on: March 03, 2025, 08:00:33 PM »
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  • Here's the source:

    The video has been taken down indeed.

    This blog belongs to a Resistance priest. Fr. Trincado, if I am not mistaken. A Chilean priest.

    https://nonpossumus-vcr.blogspot.com/2024/11/el-superior-del-distrito-de-america-del_16.html


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    “¿Cuántos obispos van a ser? Y, cuatro o cinco” 
    “¿De qué edades? Entre 35 y 50”
    “¿Cuándo? La gran pregunta es esa... no lo tomen como oficial... 2026 más o menos”
    “¿Hay que pedir permiso a Roma? Sí, hay que pedir permiso a Roma”


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    “How many bishops is it going to be? Four or five” 
    “How old? Between 35 and 50 years old”
    “When? This is the big question... don't take it as official... 2026 more or less”
    “Do you have to ask Rome for permission? Yes, we have to ask Rome for permission”



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    Re: Sspx simply waiting for Superior General's decision re: Consecrations
    « Reply #8 on: March 03, 2025, 08:02:37 PM »
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  • Bishop Paul Robinson :popcorn:

    Yeah, you need at least one openly Modernist bishop in the neo-SSPX.
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    « Reply #9 on: March 03, 2025, 08:47:53 PM »
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  • Yeah, you need at least one openly Modernist bishop in the neo-SSPX.

    I was thinking they would stretch it out a bit, wait for Huonder to ordaine one or two priests, and then consecrate the Huonder ordinand to create chaos.  But God took Huonder out of the equation.

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    Re: Sspx simply waiting for Superior General's decision re: Consecrations
    « Reply #10 on: March 04, 2025, 01:01:40 AM »
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  • I am not wellread as to the opposition the Sspx had when H.E. Williamson consecrated 6 bishops. It's clear there is a state of necessity etc. ,so what was their take re +W. ?
    They're counting on you to have forgotten about that by now. ;)


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    Re: Sspx simply waiting for Superior General's decision re: Consecrations
    « Reply #11 on: March 04, 2025, 08:38:29 AM »
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  • It would be funny if Bergo would accept their request on the condition that they use the new rite of consecration. I wonder what would happen next. :popcorn:

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    Re: Sspx simply waiting for Superior General's decision re: Consecrations
    « Reply #12 on: March 04, 2025, 09:53:09 AM »
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  • With every passing day, the world should be questioning why neoSspx is reluctant to consecrate new bishops. Each day now the suspicion that the Society intended to make an agreement with MODERNIST Rome, in 2012 and even prior,  is gaining traction. NeoSspx claim there is only one Church - +Lefebvre repeated hundreds of times that there areT W O  Churches: The Eternal Rome vs Modernist  Rome that has a bastard "mass", bastard sacraments etc. 
    We can almost conclude that truly the neoSSPX dreams of being approved by the F*ke church. Why else are they procrastinating??
    The truth will sh "out"!
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    Re: Sspx simply waiting for Superior General's decision re: Consecrations
    « Reply #13 on: March 04, 2025, 09:59:17 AM »
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  • With every passing day, the world should be questioning why neoSspx is reluctant to consecrate new bishops. Each day now the suspicion that the Society intended to make an agreement with MODERNIST Rome, in 2012 and even prior,  is gaining traction. NeoSspx claim there is only one Church - +Lefebvre repeated hundreds of times that there areT W O  Churches: The Eternal Rome vs Modernist  Rome that has a bastard "mass", bastard sacraments etc.
    We can almost conclude that truly the neoSSPX dreams of being approved by the F*ke church. Why else are they procrastinating??
    The truth will sh "out"!
    I had a discussion with someone about this after Mgr Williamson's funeral. It seems that the neoSSPX have gotten into their heads that Mgr Lefevbre's use of supplied juristriction to justify the existence of the SSPX is not canonically reliable. 
     

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    Re: Sspx simply waiting for Superior General's decision re: Consecrations
    « Reply #14 on: March 04, 2025, 11:22:10 AM »
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  • It would be funny if Bergo would accept their request on the condition that they use the new rite of consecration. I wonder what would happen next. :popcorn:

    Well, it's quite obvious, isn't it? You would just wait a while and the new "bishop" will make a visit to your nearest chapel and celebrate a beautiful and doubtful pontifical mass with a lot of the sweetest incense and the best singing voices you'll ever hear.:incense: