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Offline Mr G

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SSPX silence on Vigano revelations
« on: September 01, 2018, 08:50:03 AM »
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    Saturday, 1 September 2018
     SSPX silence on Vigano revelations


    A friend pointed out to me the total silence of the FSSPX-News site on the revelations of Archbishop Vigano. So I went to the site in question. Nothing in effect (Friday, August 31, 2018 at 14:00). If you type "Vigano" in the internal search engine of the site FSSPX News, nothing is found on the news. It's incredible.


     A possible explanation


     We must stop for a few moments on the sources of the site FSSPX-News. We regularly find the site "cath.ch" as reference site (next to "La Croix" "figaro", "lumen fidei"). There is virtually no truly traditional site as the source of information. The desire for neutrality leads to an ideological alignment with the worst enemies of the Church. 

    And as all these progressive sites (or pseudo-conservatives) are currently counter-attacking the revelations of Monsignor Vigano, it is not at all surprising to see the editorial line of FSSPX-News (and thus of the superiors of the SSPX) is now in the defence of the current pope and silence on these scandalous facts.

     To these reasons can be added political motives. The new SSPX is seeking a modus vivendi with conciliar Rome to establish its canonical legality. In addition, the bishops of the SSPX are aging and Rome must be spared to obtain an inheritance. (and the potential to "slip a deal past a non-doctrinal Pope" to quote Fr Morgan, ebbs away. Ed)
     
    This silence is really a disaster for the Tradition because Providence was setting the pole to slay hard progressives. And even the ralliers of the first hour have understood it well. The silence of the new SSPX will only strengthen Pope Francis in his progressive tyranny. Thank you Menzingen !!

     Three links of interest from ourselves (tradcatresist)
     
     
     The testimony of Vigano
     
     Interesting article from a Ecclesia Dei Priest on ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity and the new mass.
     Why Did So Many gαy Men Enter the Priesthood in the 20th Century?
     
     Also an article (warning, with some sailors language) criticizing Michael Voris' recent video on the scandal. However it does not address his attempt to distance Bergoglio the man from Bergoglio the Pope, nor his bizarre belief that it is fine to judge his actions as opposed to his teachings!?
     Mike Voris, just man up and apologise
    Posted by Traditional Catholic at 02:37   


    Offline Meg

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    Re: SSPX silence on Vigano revelations
    « Reply #1 on: September 01, 2018, 10:10:00 AM »
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  • It's not surprising that the SSPX has been silent on the Vigano revelations.  I'm wondering if the four Resistance bishops will say anything about the Vigano revelations. Especially Bp. Williamson. I can't remember the last time Bp. Williamson spoke or wrote on the issue of the problem of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, especially in the priesthood.

    Regarding the link to the Hilary White commentary on Michael Voris at the bottom of the O.P., it seems that she has some sort of grudge against Voris (who is of course far from perfect). But why does she have to blackmail him into apologizing to all the people she claims he has hurt? Blackmail is what the sodomites use to force people to do their bidding.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: SSPX silence on Vigano revelations
    « Reply #2 on: September 01, 2018, 12:17:04 PM »
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  • meg:
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    It's not surprising that the SSPX has been silent on the Vigano revelations.  I'm wondering if the four Resistance bishops will say anything about the Vigano revelations. Especially Bp. Williamson. I can't remember the last time Bp. Williamson spoke or wrote on the issue of the problem of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, especially in the priesthood.

    Has the good bishop ever spoken out on the ocean of queers and pedophiles who flood New Church?  I don't recall that he ever has.  I think Meg may have made a fair point.

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    Re: SSPX silence on Vigano revelations
    « Reply #3 on: September 01, 2018, 12:19:40 PM »
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  • meg:
    Has the good bishop ever spoken out on the ocean of queers and pedophiles who flood New Church?  I don't recall that he ever has.  I think Meg may have made a fair point.

    Nor has he spoken out about the number 176,307!

    And what about the semi-colon!!

    https://mundabor.wordpress.com/2012/05/06/sspx-williamson-on-ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity/
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: SSPX silence on Vigano revelations
    « Reply #4 on: September 01, 2018, 12:54:15 PM »
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  • Nor has he spoken out about the number 176,307!

    And what about the semi-colon!!

    https://mundabor.wordpress.com/2012/05/06/sspx-williamson-on-ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity/

    Thanks for posting the link. Like Hollingsworth, I was wondering if +W has ever spoken about the queers and pedophiles in New Church. Though he does a good job of explaining the problem with ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity in the linked piece, +W doesn't speak to the latest scandal that has rocked the conciliar church; namely, as Hollingsworth asked, regarding pedophiles (and of course homo-predators, such as McCarrick). Of course that article is 21 years old. Perhaps an update is needed.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: SSPX silence on Vigano revelations
    « Reply #5 on: September 01, 2018, 01:09:29 PM »
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  • Bishop Fellay himself run to the pope for help when the coverup of pedophiles within the SSPX became public in the docuмentary which was posted on Cathinfo last year. 
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    Re: SSPX silence on Vigano revelations
    « Reply #6 on: September 01, 2018, 01:19:04 PM »
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  • If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    Re: SSPX silence on Vigano revelations
    « Reply #7 on: September 01, 2018, 01:44:01 PM »
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  • In maybe 2-3 weeks it will be addressed in ambiguous language, the topic then put on the shelf in hopes it blows over.  That's my prediction.  Whoever touches this blazing firebrand of a topic to tell the plain, unadulterated truth knows his public ministry days are over and that his continued physical life is in question.  I wouldn't be surprised if someone like Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer calls it what it is.  He's someone, who, at this point, has nothing to lose!


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    Re: SSPX silence on Vigano revelations
    « Reply #8 on: September 01, 2018, 02:35:43 PM »
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  • Nor has he spoken out about the number 176,307!

    And what about the semi-colon!!

    He also doesn't quote from Napoleon Dynamite often enough.  When unable to come up with an argument, he should know to just interject a random quotation from the movie ... alongside his poetic verses.

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    Re: SSPX silence on Vigano revelations
    « Reply #9 on: September 01, 2018, 02:38:06 PM »
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  • Bishop Fellay himself run to the pope for help when the coverup of pedophiles within the SSPX became public in the docuмentary which was posted on Cathinfo last year.

    Father Pfeiffer already has a place in line ahead of him.

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    Re: SSPX silence on Vigano revelations
    « Reply #10 on: September 01, 2018, 02:47:13 PM »
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  • He also doesn't quote from Napoleon Dynamite often enough.  When unable to come up with an argument, he should know to just interject a random quotation from the movie ... alongside his poetic verses.

    I see your pride has been deeply wounded.

    Perhaps that will be the beginning of your recovery?
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    Re: SSPX silence on Vigano revelations
    « Reply #11 on: September 01, 2018, 07:26:53 PM »
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  • Father Pfeiffer already has a place in line ahead of him.
    Huh?  Fr. Pfeiffer is many things, but he's not a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ. 

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    Re: SSPX silence on Vigano revelations
    « Reply #12 on: September 01, 2018, 08:20:27 PM »
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  • meg:
    Has the good bishop ever spoken out on the ocean of queers and pedophiles who flood New Church?  I don't recall that he ever has.  I think Meg may have made a fair point.
    Whither, “Resistance”? – I
    Resistants, you may by no means desist.
    What saves the Church today? Those who resist!

    If anybody still wonders what the Catholic “Resistance” movement is meant to be doing, recent events in the United States make it more obvious than ever – it must keep the Faith! With the official publication last month by the State of Pennsylvania, USA, of an 800-page docuмent proving beyond doubt the guilt of high-ranking Catholic churchmen in abominable crimes against the law of the land and the law of God, millions of Catholics will be tempted, and not only in the USA, to doubt the Faith and to quit the Church.
    One reader of these “Comments” names three disturbing Internet links, and he writes:

    “My heart is hurting. Jesus didn’t teach this. I am bitterly weeping. I am a hard-headed man and don’t cry often at all. I can’t take this. I’m sorry, but if this continues I will have to become Eastern Orthodox or I will absolutely lose my mind. I just can’t take this monstrosity any more. I am in physical pain because this is making my chest hurt. I’m going to lose my mind. All the prayers and Masses are in vain if this is still being done by those who partake in prayers and Masses. Our Lord is being turned upside down by these heretics! I can’t take it!”

    Now sin happens, and sin will go on happening until world’s end, even among priests and bishops because God does not take away their free-will, and no wise lawmaker in Church or State trusts in mere legislation to abolish sin. The grace alone of Our Lord Jesus Christ can cleanse souls of sin (Rom. VII, 24, 25). That is why the State is basically powerless to heal the deepest human problems of priests, or families, or nations. It is obliged to do its best to protect its citizens, but all intelligent and honest statesmen recognise that the Catholic Church alone is fully possessed of the means to reach with healing into the depths of human souls. That is why they will favour the Church as best they can for the good of the State, and protect as best they can the reputation of bishops and priests, and leave the Church to deal with her own criminals, if they will. But if the Church refuses to deal with its criminals, then the State has to intervene.

    What is so scandalous in the present plague of abuse by churchmen of adolescents and children is the extent of the abuse, the systematic cover-up of the abuse by high-ranking churchmen, and the height of the rank of some of them, reaching up to the very top of the Church. In fact the scandal has been known about in the USA for tens of years, and it is wholly impossible that it was not common knowledge in Rome also. For tens of years, however, a network of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs has had immense power within the structure and hierarchy of the Church, to the point that they exert far-reaching control in Rome over the appointment of bishops, and in the dioceses over the choice of seminarians. It can be more and more difficult to become either bishop or priest without belonging in person to that network.

    But what can possibly explain such a disaster among so many churchmen? The only proportionate explanation is the loss of faith let loose by the Second Vatican Council (1962–1965), following on which the great protector of the priest’s perseverance, his Breviary, and the purpose of his existence, the Mass, were both maimed and crippled ( Sacrosanctum Concilium, Chapters II and IV). Take away from any man the purpose of his existence, and he is bound to look elsewhere for satisfaction. At least one American commentator blames Satanism for the disaster, a sin directly attacking God and, as such, much graver than sins of the flesh. But men only turn to Satan when they have turned away, or been turned away, from God. Vatican II opened the door for seemingly the entire Church to turn away from God.

    Kyrie eleison.

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    Re: SSPX silence on Vigano revelations
    « Reply #13 on: September 01, 2018, 08:37:38 PM »
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    One reader of these “Comments” names three disturbing Internet links, and he writes:

    “My heart is hurting. Jesus didn’t teach this. I am bitterly weeping. I am a hard-headed man and don’t cry often at all. I can’t take this. I’m sorry, but if this continues I will have to become Eastern Orthodox or I will absolutely lose my mind. I just can’t take this monstrosity any more. I am in physical pain because this is making my chest hurt. I’m going to lose my mind. All the prayers and Masses are in vain if this is still being done by those who partake in prayers and Masses. Our Lord is being turned upside down by these heretics! I can’t take it!”

    "Our Lord is being turned upside down by these heretics!" says this reader, and announces that he "will have to become" a heretical "Eastern Orthodox" or "absolutely lose" his "mind."

    What a joke! The pure existence of heretics makes him become a heretic himself or lose his mind. Poor boy, let's pray for him.
    Men are not bound, or able to read hearts; but when they see that someone is a heretic by his external works, they judge him to be a heretic pure and simple ... Jerome points this out. (St. Robert Bellarmine)

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    Re: SSPX silence on Vigano revelations
    « Reply #14 on: September 02, 2018, 11:28:37 AM »
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  • Huh?  Fr. Pfeiffer is many things, but he's not a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ.

    :facepalm:

    Try again.  That line to consult with the Vatican has to do with getting advice about how to cover up for pedophiles.  Think about that for a minutes vis-a-vis the recent developments at Pfeifferville.