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Offline St Giles

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Re: SSPX Seminary Numbers
« Reply #40 on: April 28, 2025, 09:06:00 PM »
I don't think they even have 120 rooms, so the new building is a undersized to begin with. There should be 120 seminarian rooms, enough resident priest rooms, guest priest rooms, and rooms for other visitors.

Offline Matthew

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Re: SSPX Seminary Numbers
« Reply #41 on: April 29, 2025, 12:51:56 AM »
IMO, they used the Humanities Year to artificially create the alleged "overcrowding problem" to justify something they wanted to build for ulterior motives, and then speculating about what those motives may have been, since by itself even the engineered problem could have been solved very easily without the absurd expenditure.  Problem -> Reaction -> Solution.  Create a problem by adding Humanities Year (instead of solving for it before you added it by adding a wing or building).  Elicit a Reaction ... where the lay faithful are sympathetic to pictures of two seminarians sharing one of those tiny rooms.  Solution ... propose the building project and get the lay faithful to send money.

You're off base here, and I disagree with you. I hesitate to say, "Earth to Ladislaus, come back down please." but I'm tempted to. The main thing holding me back is my lack of belief in "outer space". ;) But pop culture, old habits, and common speech still rattle around in my brain...

Bishop Williamson is not enclosed in (((parentheses))), and he wasn't part of any "problem-reaction-solution" cօռspιʀαcιҽs. He was one of the good guys, remember? His last name was WilliamSON not WilliamSTEIN.

This really should go without saying. I can't believe what I'm reading, or that I have to write this response. I mean, "hello, McFly?" You do remember +W got kicked out of the SSPX and died in exile, right?

Bishop Williamson, and no one else, started the Humanities year. He had NOTHING to do with the eventual neo-SSPX embracing of branding agencies, compromise, change, and contradictions. Including the purchase of the Disneyland seminary near the corridors of power (close to Washington DC).

The institution of the Humanities year, and the neo-SSPX aberrations, have NOTHING to do with each other. There is ZERO cause-effect relationship between them.

Some people make associations that shouldn't be made -- those people are called schizo, if I'm not mistaken. At least if this meme is to be believed. (I'm not calling Ladislaus a schizo or trying to pick a fight with him; hopefully he can take some disagreement here and there)

How about instead of schizo, we say it's a "post hoc ergo propter hoc" fallacy.


Offline Ladislaus

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Re: SSPX Seminary Numbers
« Reply #42 on: April 29, 2025, 06:38:16 AM »
So you're saying that +Williamson established Humanities Year unilaterally, Matthew, and not under SSPX direction?  Unless you have other information, I'm not buying it, since at the time Bishop Williamson was still under obedience to SSPX superiors and wouldn't have done something like that unilaterally.

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: SSPX Seminary Numbers
« Reply #43 on: April 29, 2025, 06:43:05 AM »
There are almost 100 seminarians today, if you count carefully

OK, so?  Take out the Humanities Year ... and the numbers entering are in the low 20s, and the numbers being ordained every year 4-5 on average ... are almost identical to the what was going on in the late 1980s and early 1990s and for which Winona was more than adequate.

Even if the "almost 100" (boosted artificially by Humanities Year), but otherwise not that much more than we had  that's absolutely nothing 2 million dollars at Winona could not have easily remedied, leaving you 48 million to do something much more important with.

There were clearly other agendas at work there.

Re: SSPX Seminary Numbers
« Reply #44 on: April 29, 2025, 10:37:46 AM »
For some reason the full body size and beautifully framed (by Br. Marcellus) authentic photographic copies of the Shroud of Turin were left behind when the seminary moved to Virginia.  They were in the basement hallway and classroom the last time I visited about 2018.