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Title: SSPX Seminary closing in Australia
Post by: donkath on July 18, 2021, 12:20:00 AM
SSPX Seminary closing in Australia.  See attached pdf
Title: Re: SSPX Seminary closing in Australia
Post by: Nadir on July 18, 2021, 03:24:13 AM
Important Announcement regarding Holy Cross Seminary: Seminarians Relocating
(https://hcs.fsspx.org/sites/sspx/files/styles/dici_image_full_width/public/media/ast-seminary/med-gallery/dsc06340.jpg?itok=vk0I8-D6)

After long deliberation, having consulted with the Seminary Rector and with the Society’s General Council, the Superior General of the Society, Fr Davide Pagliarani, has taken the difficult decision to close Holy Cross Seminary and to relocate its seminarians to other seminaries of the Society.  The essential reason for this decision is concern for the welfare of the seminarians themselves in view of the serious difficulties posed to seminary life when the number of seminarians is so small.  Therefore, at the end of this academic year, Holy Cross will become a priory of the District and will also serve as a pre-seminary to prepare Australians and New Zealanders for entering one of the Society’s overseas seminaries. Further details can be found in the official announcement from the Rector, Fr MacPherson (https://hcs.fsspx.org/sites/sspx/files/media/hcs_closing_notice.pdf).
Title: Re: SSPX Seminary closing in Australia
Post by: Nadir on July 18, 2021, 03:27:14 AM
https://hcs.fsspx.org/sites/sspx/files/media/hcs_closing_notice.pdf
Title: Re: SSPX Seminary closing in Australia
Post by: Ladislaus on July 18, 2021, 05:26:28 AM
They’re going to send them to the US obviously... to fluff the numbers and appear to justify the cost of the seminary.  They had hoped for an influx of NO seminarians after regularization ... which is why they built that thing.

So the timing of this is interesting right around the Motu.

It’ll be called +Fellay’s folly.

SSPX has one man to thank (or in their view blame) for non-regularization.... Bishop Williamson.  He single-handedly scuttled the talks with his h0Ɩ0h0αx interviews.  Bishop Williamson may have saved Tradition.  Sometimes I wonder if he didn’t do it on purpose.
Title: Re: SSPX Seminary closing in Australia
Post by: Quo vadis Domine on July 18, 2021, 06:50:58 AM
They’re going to send them to the US obviously... to fluff the numbers and appear to justify the cost of the seminary.  They had hoped for an influx of NO seminarians after regularization ... which is why they built that thing.

So the timing of this is interesting right around the Motu.

It’ll be called +Fellay’s folly.

SSPX has one man to thank (or in their view blame) for non-regularization.... Bishop Williamson.  He single-handedly scuttled the talks with his h0Ɩ0h0αx interviews.  Bishop Williamson may have saved Tradition.  Sometimes I wonder if he didn’t do it on purpose.
Good assessment.
Title: Re: SSPX Seminary closing in Australia
Post by: donkath on July 18, 2021, 07:05:44 AM

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He single-handedly scuttled the talks with his h0Ɩ0h0αx interviews

Can you point me to them please?
Title: Re: SSPX Seminary closing in Australia
Post by: SeanJohnson on July 18, 2021, 08:41:10 AM
SSPX has one man to thank (or in their view blame) for non-regularization.... Bishop Williamson.  He single-handedly scuttled the talks with his h0Ɩ0h0αx interviews.  Bishop Williamson may have saved Tradition.  Sometimes I wonder if he didn’t do it on purpose.
Not sure about the interview, but he definitely did what he could to stop operation ѕυιcιdє:
First, was the Letter of the Three Bishops.
Then, seeing the bizarre response he received, he sent that letter to a priest, who then posted it on the internet (not sure if that was intended or not).
When BXVI saw that division, It scared him off.
Title: Re: SSPX Seminary closing in Australia
Post by: trento on July 18, 2021, 09:29:57 AM
They’re going to send them to the US obviously... to fluff the numbers and appear to justify the cost of the seminary.  They had hoped for an influx of NO seminarians after regularization ... which is why they built that thing.

So the timing of this is interesting right around the Motu.

It’ll be called +Fellay’s folly.

SSPX has one man to thank (or in their view blame) for non-regularization.... Bishop Williamson.  He single-handedly scuttled the talks with his h0Ɩ0h0αx interviews.  Bishop Williamson may have saved Tradition.  Sometimes I wonder if he didn’t do it on purpose.
I don't think so. Bishop Fellay returned the protocol agreement demanded by B16 and Cardinal Müller. Furthermore, with regards to the relocation of the seminarians, it is common knowledge that the Australian border closures were quite strict and the letter by the rector did mention the closing of Australia’s international borders has rendered it impossible for foreign vocations to enter the country.
Relying only on Australian and New Zealand vocations will not be practically sustainable to run that place. Perhaps when the lσcкdσωns and borders are reopened, HCS will function once again as a seminary, God willing.


"Without these foreign vocations, it is unfortunately evident that it will not be possible to maintain
the numbers required for the proper structure and formation of a seminary institution. A healthy number
for Holy Cross would be 25 seminarians. Ideally, that number would not fall below 15. However, this year
our seminary has only 9 candidates for the priesthood. And with current lσcкdσωn laws, there is little
possibility that these numbers will improve in the near future.
Holy Cross was not able to receive any new foreign candidates for the academic years of 2020 and
2021. The same seems almost certain for 2022. Yet once the number falls below 15, the burden and
pressure on those that remain starts to increase exponentially at each departure."
Title: Re: SSPX Seminary closing in Australia
Post by: SeanJohnson on July 18, 2021, 09:39:23 AM
I don't think so. Bishop Fellay returned the protocol agreement demanded by B16 and Cardinal Müller.

No.

Bishop Fellay signed and submitted to the April 15 doctrinal declaration, but then, seeing the division this had caused in the SSPX after the leaked Letter of the Three Bishops, and wanting to help Fellay survive the General Chapter and stay in power for a possible future opportunity, BXVI rejected Fellay’s signed declaration, and added a condition he knew Fellay must reject, to create the illusion of Fellay backing away.
Title: Re: SSPX Seminary closing in Australia
Post by: Matthew on July 18, 2021, 04:26:03 PM
Not sure about the interview, but he definitely did what he could to stop operation ѕυιcιdє:
First, was the Letter of the Three Bishops.
Then, seeing the bizarre response he received, he sent that letter to a priest, who then posted it on the internet (not sure if that was intended or not).
When BXVI saw that division, It scared him off.

So Pope Benedict was literally reading CathInfo? Wow, that would really be something. I'd be a bit star-struck if I ever discovered that to be true, I gotta admit.
CathInfo was one of the few places that letter was posted. Let's just say CathInfo took the initiative, and the lead, in making those letters public.
So either Pope Benedict and/or his aides would have literally been reading CathInfo.
Wow.
Title: Re: SSPX Seminary closing in Australia
Post by: Matthew on July 18, 2021, 04:28:49 PM
I don't think so. Bishop Fellay returned the protocol agreement demanded by B16 and Cardinal Müller. Furthermore, with regards to the relocation of the seminarians, it is common knowledge that the Australian border closures were quite strict and the letter by the rector did mention the closing of Australia’s international borders has rendered it impossible for foreign vocations to enter the country.
Relying only on Australian and New Zealand vocations will not be practically sustainable to run that place. Perhaps when the lσcкdσωns and borders are reopened, HCS will function once again as a seminary, God willing.
Many decisions have more than one reason. Sometimes a PRIMARY and a SECONDARY motivation -- or a public and a private motivation.
All human decisions have a complexity of motivation. You might be correct AND Ladislaus might be correct, at the same time.
The two reasons are not mutually contradictory.

I agree with Lad though -- the timing sure looks suspicious. They want to jump on this move now, so they can at least blame it on COVID lockdowns.
Title: Re: SSPX Seminary closing in Australia
Post by: Pax Vobis on July 18, 2021, 04:31:23 PM

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Furthermore, with regards to the relocation of the seminarians, it is common knowledge that the Australian border closures were quite strict and the letter by the rector did mention the closing of Australia’s international borders has rendered it impossible for foreign vocations to enter the country.
Relying only on Australian and New Zealand vocations will not be practically sustainable to run that place. Perhaps when the lσcкdσωns and borders are reopened, HCS will function once again as a seminary, God willing.

Agree, my first thought was the closing is due to the growing political dictatorship.  The sspx doesn't want to come out and say "We're closing because the govt here stinks."  I get that.  Australia is uber crazy right now.  You don't want to tick off a dictator and have him close all your chapels.   
Title: Re: SSPX Seminary closing in Australia
Post by: Seraphina on July 19, 2021, 12:10:57 AM
Let’s hope Biden doesn’t get any ideas.  (Maybe dementia is good for something?).  

BTW, do you think Francis reads CI?