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Re: SSPX rumor
« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2021, 07:59:13 PM »
Are the SSPX parishioners that far gone, that fully transformed into sheep that they don't think *at all* anymore?

Do they wear masks for the rest of their lives, even in their car, as well? Despite all the reasons not to? Might as well not think at all anymore.

I was just thinking about all those memes which succinctly capture the truth, contradictions, etc. on various issues -- but do those memes actually ever convert anyone or wake them up? Most of the time the answer is No, because they literally don't care about the truth. They just want to experience carnal pleasure, and live their easy lives of convenience. That's it.

How does someone thumb up his nose at such clear, evident truths? They must have done something to merit that punishment from God.
Exactly! 

Re: SSPX rumor
« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2021, 01:44:01 AM »
I'm aware I'm in the minority here, and I may well be wrong, but I'm still gonna push back in hopes of learning more.

So essentially your argument is that the only way someone could disagree with the Williamson consecrations is either if they believe the Church is hunky dory under Pope Francis, or else they believe that episcopal consecrations without papal approval are never justified no matter what.  But I don't think those are the ONLY possible positions you could take.

I can see a few other possibilities

1: Someone might believe emergency consecrations are only justified if the alternative is the Traditional movement being very likely left without a bishop, in other words, you can't just consecrate as many bishops as you want *because* there's a crisis in the Church, but you can if there's a real possibility of Traditional mass and sacraments being wiped out if you didn't.  ONE COULD ARGUE that in a scenario where all of the original SSPX consecrands are still alive, its too early.

2: Someone might believe emergency consecrations are only justified if any possibility of getting permission from the proper authorities without #1 happening has sailed.  And considering Francis gave permission for confessions, one might have thought that there was a real possibility of getting permission for an episcopal consecration, as naive as that might seem.

3: If someone held to #2, he might have seen the recent repeal of the Motu Proprio as fundamentally changing the likelihood of getting some kind of permission (which is different than believing that the Church was in good shape.)

4: On the other hand, if someone's basis was #1, I would agree that 2021 doesn't seem that much different than 2017.  However, if the SSPX were to wait until all of its bishops were near their deathbeds (like Lefebvre seemingly did) it would seem to at least be consistent, even if wrong.

To be clear, all I'm saying is that I think you could be in good faith and believe that, just like you yourself would admit somebody can be in good faith and be a sedevacantist or an FSSPer.  I'm not saying I'm convinced that opinion is correct.
I agree. Recall that in the late 1980s, Rome did agree in principle for episcopal consecration of bishops by +Lefebvre, however they tried the delaying tactic by refusing names several times until +Lefebvre saw through that they were waiting for him to die (which happened a few years later).


Re: SSPX rumor
« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2021, 07:09:32 AM »
IF true, it would mean that Francis has chosen him to be the (trusted) bishop from the SSPX ranks to lead the Prelature. Remember that the new leadership had to be ratified by Francis. This MAY be the time to corral all the indult communities into the SSPX's Prelature. UNA VOCE MALTA had announced  around three years ago that the hybrid missal was coming (worse than previously expected to be) and that only the SSPX would keep the 1962 Missal and only for a couple of years but eventually adopt the new missal. Could this be the time?
So then one would have to wonder whether he would be "consecrated" in the New Rite.

Re: SSPX rumor
« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2021, 09:03:39 AM »
Bp. Williamson (and the priests he consecrated) gave no thought to Canon Law or Rome, made no attempt whatever to get permission. Why? Because they are schismatic.

Clovis,

You're on the right track, but you've got things turned around... a little bit.

It was the homo Jєω-pope, who went into schism.  

Real Catholics had to respond in an act of survival.  Canon Law provides for this.

Re: SSPX rumor
« Reply #19 on: July 19, 2021, 11:49:03 PM »
Strongly doubt it. Bp. Fellay is just a little younger than the age Lefebvre was when he founded the SSPX.
They likely will consecrate another Bishop when they are in another state of necessity.  I don’t think they are there yet with the 3 Bishops.