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Offline SeanJohnson

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« Reply #15 on: October 10, 2012, 07:38:03 PM »
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  • You are not up to speed with the facts:

    1) All their public statements against a practical accord preceded the General Chapter.

    2) They have made no public statements against an accord since the General Chapter.

    3) They both voted for the General Chapter Declaration, which was an official act of the SSPX allowing a practical accord before the doctrinal issues were resolved with the Romans.

    4) They both voted for the still-standing scandalous 6 conditions, which exist as a perpetual invitation for Rome to re-approach the SSPX with a merely practical accord.

    5) Their inaction, coupled with their silence, tell the world that they will go along with Menzingen, whatever they may think interiorly.

    6) And in this way, they present a shocking repetition of what happened at Varican II: Unity over doctrine and tradition.









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    Where I would disagree is with your opinion that we still have 3 bishops against the one.

    In reality we have one bishop who will oppose Menzingen with words, but as yet has not taken any concrete actions to oppose this policy.

    Then we have the 2 other bishops who voted for the scandalous declaration and 6 conditions left dangling before the Romans to re-enter negotiations for a merely practical accord at any time.

    These latter may (or may not) be with us privately, but they also have said or done nothing to oppose the scandalous declaration and 6 conditions.

    So the reality is that we have 1 bishop who opposes with words, and 2 who absent themselves from the entire debate, versus 1 in Menzingen who acts with robust measures to accomplish his objective.

    It doesn't take a rocket scientist to predict who will win if things continue like this.




    Bishop Tissier de Mallerais spoke against the accord at the ordinations in Winona, Bishop de Galarreta has spoken publicly against it too. They have publicly and many times come out against any agreement with Rome. Therefore, I don't see how you conclude as you do with regard to my comment that we have three bishops on our side.

    As far as your comment that "It doesn't take a rocket scientist to predict who will win if things continue like this", I totally disagree with you. It is defeatest to think that way. Menzingen crowd are just a few people, a house of cards. They can be toppled. Why do you think they are so affraid of the internet forums? If they had the power that you believe, they would care less about the internet forums.

    Very few priests are running this Novus-SSPX facade. If we eliminated three priests in the USA, the whole thing would topple there, and the Novus SSPX in South America is hanging on by a thread. Those are two big continents, others can comment on France and Europe.
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    « Reply #16 on: October 10, 2012, 08:01:40 PM »
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    The greatest help for me not to dispair is to always keep in mind that God brings good out of all negatives.  When I came to the realization that I had to stop atttending the NO mass and stick exclusively with the TLM I did so believing that it was God who was motivating me and He would undertake for me and show me what to do.  I was at the local SSPX within 2 weeks, and I didn't know anything about their group except their name and did not know where the chapel was when I made the decision.  I had never heard of ABL because I was a convert.  So, God is ABLE and WILLING to back up our good decisions in His grace at all times.  


    Yes, JuanDiego, God will not let us down, if we do not let Him down, though it may be different than what we think.  


    To clear up any misunderstanding, my point was that if we abandon God, He will leave us to our own devices.  And if we do not abandon God, He will bring us to that which He desires for our salvation, though it may contain much tribulation and suffering.  Onward soldiers!  
    But one thing is necessary. Mary hath chosen the best part, which shall not be taken away from her.
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    « Reply #17 on: October 11, 2012, 08:53:23 AM »
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    The greatest help for me not to dispair is to always keep in mind that God brings good out of all negatives.  When I came to the realization that I had to stop atttending the NO mass and stick exclusively with the TLM I did so believing that it was God who was motivating me and He would undertake for me and show me what to do.  I was at the local SSPX within 2 weeks, and I didn't know anything about their group except their name and did not know where the chapel was when I made the decision.  I had never heard of ABL because I was a convert.  So, God is ABLE and WILLING to back up our good decisions in His grace at all times.  


    Yes, JuanDiego, God will not let us down, if we do not let Him down, though it may be different than what we think.  


    To clear up any misunderstanding, my point was that if we abandon God, He will leave us to our own devices.  And if we do not abandon God, He will bring us to that which He desires for our salvation, though it may contain much tribulation and suffering.  Onward soldiers!  


    Thanks for clarifying Magdalena – I totally agree, just didn’t say it very clearly.

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    « Reply #18 on: October 11, 2012, 09:49:39 AM »
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    You are not up to speed with the facts:

    1) All their public statements against a practical accord preceded the General Chapter.

    2) They have made no public statements against an accord since the General Chapter.

    3) They both voted for the General Chapter Declaration, which was an official act of the SSPX allowing a practical accord before the doctrinal issues were resolved with the Romans.

    4) They both voted for the still-standing scandalous 6 conditions, which exist as a perpetual invitation for Rome to re-approach the SSPX with a merely practical accord.

    5) Their inaction, coupled with their silence, tell the world that they will go along with Menzingen, whatever they may think interiorly.

    6) And in this way, they present a shocking repetition of what happened at Varican II: Unity over doctrine and tradition.


    Thanks for the lesson. Nevertheless, they are not happy with the accord, and most important, they are not part of the Menzingen crowd.

    The M crowd are only a few people, a stack of cards that can be brought down. The M crowd is composed of Bishop Fellay and a few people in key positions. Those few people were put into those positions they are in, not because they are qualified to do the best job, but because they are obedient to Fellay. They are like the appointments of Stalin. Stalin got rid of everyone that was qualified, and put in the people that were obidient to him.

    Fr. Rostand is out of his league at responding to the internet forums questions, because he is not qualified to be a district superior. Fellay does not appoint qualified people, he appoints people obedient to him.

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    « Reply #19 on: October 11, 2012, 05:41:34 PM »
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  •    All who do not oppose the accord are part of the Menzingen crowd by default.

       Qui tacit consentire (Silence gives consent).

       He who is not with me is against me.

       Silence facilitates the sellout, not frustrate it.


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    You are not up to speed with the facts:

    1) All their public statements against a practical accord preceded the General Chapter.

    2) They have made no public statements against an accord since the General Chapter.

    3) They both voted for the General Chapter Declaration, which was an official act of the SSPX allowing a practical accord before the doctrinal issues were resolved with the Romans.

    4) They both voted for the still-standing scandalous 6 conditions, which exist as a perpetual invitation for Rome to re-approach the SSPX with a merely practical accord.

    5) Their inaction, coupled with their silence, tell the world that they will go along with Menzingen, whatever they may think interiorly.

    6) And in this way, they present a shocking repetition of what happened at Varican II: Unity over doctrine and tradition.


    Thanks for the lesson. Nevertheless, they are not happy with the accord, and most important, they are not part of the Menzingen crowd.

    The M crowd are only a few people, a stack of cards that can be brought down. The M crowd is composed of Bishop Fellay and a few people in key positions. Those few people were put into those positions they are in, not because they are qualified to do the best job, but because they are obedient to Fellay. They are like the appointments of Stalin. Stalin got rid of everyone that was qualified, and put in the people that were obidient to him.

    Fr. Rostand is out of his league at responding to the internet forums questions, because he is not qualified to be a district superior. Fellay does not appoint qualified people, he appoints people obedient to him.


       

       

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    -I retract any and all statements I have made that are incongruent with the True Faith, and apologize for ever having made them-


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    « Reply #20 on: October 11, 2012, 06:14:13 PM »
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      All who do not oppose the accord are part of the Menzingen crowd by default.


    No, the Menzingen crowd are just like 10 people, and that's it. The rest are not part of the M Crowd.

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    « Reply #21 on: October 11, 2012, 06:37:29 PM »
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  • The Menzingen-denizens lurk in the shadows. ......................





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    « Reply #22 on: October 11, 2012, 08:09:50 PM »
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  • Seraphim is right.  

    +Fellay has stacked the deck with his mediocre "yes" men and the rest seem to be frightened into silence.  I have waited in vain for one of the other Bishops to stand up and lead the charge .... instead ... a complete lack of action.   Quo vadis, Your Lordships?

    O God, come to our aid.  O Lord, make haste to help us.  Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us.


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    « Reply #23 on: October 11, 2012, 08:57:11 PM »
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  • There's undoubtedly more to what's going on here than meets the eye.  

    The Jews and Freemasons will help to ensure Bishop Fellay's continued control of the SSPX, and there are probably many threats of various kinds being made to keep priests and the bishops under control.  

    This is a deadly serious matter to the enemies of the Church.

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    « Reply #24 on: October 11, 2012, 09:45:46 PM »
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    There's undoubtedly more to what's going on here than meets the eye.  

    The Jews and Freemasons will help to ensure Bishop Fellay's continued control of the SSPX, and there are probably many threats of various kinds being made to keep priests and the bishops under control.  

    This is a deadly serious matter to the enemies of the Church.



    Yep.
    Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    -I retract any and all statements I have made that are incongruent with the True Faith, and apologize for ever having made them-

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    « Reply #25 on: October 11, 2012, 10:09:04 PM »
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    Seraphim is right.  

    +Fellay has stacked the deck with his mediocre "yes" men and the rest seem to be frightened into silence.  I have waited in vain for one of the other Bishops to stand up and lead the charge .... instead ... a complete lack of action.   Quo vadis, Your Lordships?

    O God, come to our aid.  O Lord, make haste to help us.  Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us.


    "And Jacob boiled pottage: to whom Esau, coming faint out of the field, said: Give me of this red pottage, for I am exceeding faint.  For which reason his name was called Edom.  And Jacob said to him: Swear therefore to me. Esau swore to him, and sold his first birthright.  And so taking bread and the pottage of lentils, he ate, and drank, and went his way; making little account of having sold his first birthright."  Genesis 25: 29-34

    Pope St. Pius X, pray for us.  


    But one thing is necessary. Mary hath chosen the best part, which shall not be taken away from her.
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    « Reply #26 on: October 12, 2012, 09:42:16 AM »
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    There's undoubtedly more to what's going on here than meets the eye.  

    The Jews and Freemasons will help to ensure Bishop Fellay's continued control of the SSPX, and there are probably many threats of various kinds being made to keep priests and the bishops under control.  



    Yep.


    So what? Sounds to me like despair.

    God is with us, we should not fear anyone, not any Jews, Freemasons, or the 10 men with Menzingen. You people of delicate natures are blowing up the enemy like the thundering Wizard of Oz screen. This is exactly what the Wizard of Oz Fellay wants, to scare all of you. Let's man up here.  You don't see Fr's Chazal , Pfieffers, Bishop Williamson etc shivering in their pants, ande only despairing about how impossible the job is? Instead of going into despair, why don't you peoiple just get off the internet and let the fighters do their job. Post the news, and don't interject your despairing comments.

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    « Reply #27 on: October 12, 2012, 10:00:40 AM »
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    The Little Man Behind the Curtain

    The Wizard of Oz, in his most embarrassing moment, thunders through a microphone that the Dorothy and her companions should ignore the little man who stands revealed when Toto pulls the curtain aside with his little teeth. "PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE LITTLE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN!" bellows the great Mask of Oz the Terrible.

    Perhaps, instead, it is about time we began paying some attention to the little man behind the curtain (Bishop Fellay). His switches and controls have something to do with what we are experiencing, more than he would have us know.

    He is just a Little Man hiding behind a big thundering screen! Do not be scared by him, he can be defeated. God is with us.


    A good example of how God is with us, and in control,  was that when the Fellay was ready to sign the accord on the dotted line, the pope asked for two new capitulations, and then he appointed a hardline progressivist (heretic) Bishop Mueller. Bishop Fellay was ready to sign, and God put a roadblock in front of him. God is in control.





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    « Reply #28 on: October 12, 2012, 11:03:21 AM »
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  • In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin. (Ecclesiasticus 7:40)

    In all thy travails, remember that you could die any moment in an accident, and thou shall never despair (be scared of anything).  Despair is the conclusion of those who are ill-prepared for sudden death. In all things it is better to trust in God than to despair. Let your enemies despair, keep firing from inside the bombed out rubble, it provides better cover.

    There are only 10 men in the Menzingen Crowd, let them despair of having to fight the 1000's writing and reading the truth on the internet.

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    « Reply #29 on: October 12, 2012, 12:54:49 PM »
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    Seraphim is right.  

    +Fellay has stacked the deck with his mediocre "yes" men and the rest seem to be frightened into silence.  I have waited in vain for one of the other Bishops to stand up and lead the charge .... instead ... a complete lack of action.   Quo vadis, Your Lordships?

    O God, come to our aid.  O Lord, make haste to help us.  Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us.


    "And Jacob boiled pottage: to whom Esau, coming faint out of the field, said: Give me of this red pottage, for I am exceeding faint.  For which reason his name was called Edom.  And Jacob said to him: Swear therefore to me. Esau swore to him, and sold his first birthright.  And so taking bread and the pottage of lentils, he ate, and drank, and went his way; making little account of having sold his first birthright."  Genesis 25: 29-34

    Pope St. Pius X, pray for us.  





    We have seen this before with  church and school closings with vatican II.  The "yes" men were the ones put into parishes to specifically shut down and dismantlce.  Conquer and divide.  It is still going on as we speak.  

    there are work books already Welcoming everyone to the Table :  gays lesbians and the "herectics" of sspx.

    And that is what is still being promoted.  Believe me I am former novus ordo and we were told to stay away from sspx and others.  Bishop Lefebvre is described as mentally unstable.  Sspx is renegades, herectis schismatics etc. sspx is evil because they hate the Pope.  Novus ordo has been brainwashed to hate sspx.
     
    We had a good laugh when we protested the church and school closings because we notice on priest leaving meeting with workbook on how to deal with the instigators and those "grieving" for their closed parishes.  LOL>  

    And that is exactly what is going on now.  Everyone in novus ordo knows that "herectics" of sspx is merging to novus ordo.   Misery likes compnay.
    They continue to drink the cool aid.

    To live with the Saints in Heaven is all bliss and glory....To live with the saints on Earth is just another story!  (unknown)

     

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