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You are not up to speed with the facts:

1) All their public statements against a practical accord preceded the General Chapter.

2) They have made no public statements against an accord since the General Chapter.

3) They both voted for the General Chapter Declaration, which was an official act of the SSPX allowing a practical accord before the doctrinal issues were resolved with the Romans.

4) They both voted for the still-standing scandalous 6 conditions, which exist as a perpetual invitation for Rome to re-approach the SSPX with a merely practical accord.

5) Their inaction, coupled with their silence, tell the world that they will go along with Menzingen, whatever they may think interiorly.

6) And in this way, they present a shocking repetition of what happened at Varican II: Unity over doctrine and tradition.









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Where I would disagree is with your opinion that we still have 3 bishops against the one.

In reality we have one bishop who will oppose Menzingen with words, but as yet has not taken any concrete actions to oppose this policy.

Then we have the 2 other bishops who voted for the scandalous declaration and 6 conditions left dangling before the Romans to re-enter negotiations for a merely practical accord at any time.

These latter may (or may not) be with us privately, but they also have said or done nothing to oppose the scandalous declaration and 6 conditions.

So the reality is that we have 1 bishop who opposes with words, and 2 who absent themselves from the entire debate, versus 1 in Menzingen who acts with robust measures to accomplish his objective.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to predict who will win if things continue like this.

Bishop Tissier de Mallerais spoke against the accord at the ordinations in Winona, Bishop de Galarreta has spoken publicly against it too. They have publicly and many times come out against any agreement with Rome. Therefore, I don't see how you conclude as you do with regard to my comment that we have three bishops on our side.

As far as your comment that "It doesn't take a rocket scientist to predict who will win if things continue like this", I totally disagree with you. It is defeatest to think that way. Menzingen crowd are just a few people, a house of cards. They can be toppled. Why do you think they are so affraid of the internet forums? If they had the power that you believe, they would care less about the internet forums.

Very few priests are running this Novus-SSPX facade. If we eliminated three priests in the USA, the whole thing would topple there, and the Novus SSPX in South America is hanging on by a thread. Those are two big continents, others can comment on France and Europe.
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Quote from: magdalena

Quote from: JuanDiego

The greatest help for me not to dispair is to always keep in mind that God brings good out of all negatives.  When I came to the realization that I had to stop atttending the NO mass and stick exclusively with the TLM I did so believing that it was God who was motivating me and He would undertake for me and show me what to do.  I was at the local SSPX within 2 weeks, and I didn't know anything about their group except their name and did not know where the chapel was when I made the decision.  I had never heard of ABL because I was a convert.  So, God is ABLE and WILLING to back up our good decisions in His grace at all times.  

Yes, JuanDiego, God will not let us down, if we do not let Him down, though it may be different than what we think.  

To clear up any misunderstanding, my point was that if we abandon God, He will leave us to our own devices.  And if we do not abandon God, He will bring us to that which He desires for our salvation, though it may contain much tribulation and suffering.  Onward soldiers!  

Thanks for clarifying Magdalena – I totally agree, just didn’t say it very clearly.

   All who do not oppose the accord are part of the Menzingen crowd by default.

   Qui tacit consentire (Silence gives consent).

   He who is not with me is against me.

   Silence facilitates the sellout, not frustrate it.

Quote from: Seraphim

You are not up to speed with the facts:

1) All their public statements against a practical accord preceded the General Chapter.

2) They have made no public statements against an accord since the General Chapter.

3) They both voted for the General Chapter Declaration, which was an official act of the SSPX allowing a practical accord before the doctrinal issues were resolved with the Romans.

4) They both voted for the still-standing scandalous 6 conditions, which exist as a perpetual invitation for Rome to re-approach the SSPX with a merely practical accord.

5) Their inaction, coupled with their silence, tell the world that they will go along with Menzingen, whatever they may think interiorly.

6) And in this way, they present a shocking repetition of what happened at Varican II: Unity over doctrine and tradition.

Thanks for the lesson. Nevertheless, they are not happy with the accord, and most important, they are not part of the Menzingen crowd.

The M crowd are only a few people, a stack of cards that can be brought down. The M crowd is composed of Bishop Fellay and a few people in key positions. Those few people were put into those positions they are in, not because they are qualified to do the best job, but because they are obedient to Fellay. They are like the appointments of Stalin. Stalin got rid of everyone that was qualified, and put in the people that were obidient to him.

Fr. Rostand is out of his league at responding to the internet forums questions, because he is not qualified to be a district superior. Fellay does not appoint qualified people, he appoints people obedient to him.