Well the Vatican is denying that Francis said it so I think an official response on the part of the SSPX would be premature.After the treatment given to the author of The Dictator Pope, the Vatican has shown its teeth.
Personally I have no doubt Francis said it, but as an organization the SSPX must be cautious in what they put in writing.
:popcorn:
Expect nothing of the SSPX or the Church on earth; only of Our Lord, Our Lady, and the saints.There will always be a faithful remnant. Didn't Christ promise that?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arN3wLPOxp8.
(https://mtnebofred.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/leadership_lemmings.gif)Excellent! Perfect. What more needs be said about the direction the SSPX has been taking for the last 15 years. If you don't mind I will be using this a lot on CI.
Excellent! Perfect. What more needs be said about the direction the SSPX has been taking for the last 15 years. If you don't mind I will be using this a lot on CI.Yes, good idea. Please do.
Just checked their website: still no response. Then again, I don't see one on Bishop Williamson's site either.
..neither on Bishop Sanborn's blog. But thanks for the little dig anyway!I actually think that Bishop Williamson may say something in his next EC (given his last one was 3/31 and he probably had those thoughts already decided before Francis' latest). My point was that it wouldn't be fair to knock the SSPX for not commenting when your own Bishop Williamson hasn't made any comments yet either.
I actually think that Bishop Williamson may say something in his next EC (given his last one was 3/31 and he probably had those thoughts already decided before Francis' latest). My point was that it wouldn't be fair to knock the SSPX for not commenting when your own Bishop Williamson hasn't made any comments yet either.
I suspect that there will be more comments now that Holy Week and Easter is over. It is a very busy time for our traditional clergy.
ETA: And as for your Bishop Sanborn jab, I have NO DOUBT that he will make his comments known. He doesn't write weekly newsletters, but he does do regular "FrancisWatch" programs with Novus Ordo Watch where he and Father Cekada discuss all of Francis' antics.
https://akacatholic.com/hell-of-a-distraction/ (https://akacatholic.com/hell-of-a-distraction/).
From Louie:
"As a kind reader recently made me aware, among those in Catholic media who have weighed in on the debate is Michael Matt, publisher of America’s oldest traditional newspaper, who said:
If he actually did say this … If he believes this … Pope Francis is a heretic.
Indeed! The next obvious question, one I suspect he is unwilling to answer, is whether or not such a man can be considered Catholic much less the pope.
Look, I don’t mean to pick on Mr. Matt – whose approach to the present crisis is emblematic of a much more widespread problem – but why are we hyperventilating over what may or may not have been said to a ninety-three year old atheist who prides himself on not taking notes?
How about we focus on what we know – like the fact Francis has kindly provided the world with a signed written statement (and other irrefutable evidence) clearly attesting to which immutable Catholic doctrines he accepts and those that he rejects.
On the topic of Hell, for instance, he left no room for debate concerning what he believes, and what’s more, what he intends to lead others into believing, by stating:
No one can be condemned forever, because that is not the logic of the Gospel! Here I am not speaking only of the divorced and remarried, but of everyone… (AL 297)
No one, everyone; i.e., there are no exceptions.
Folks, this is as blatant and as unambiguous a denial of the existence of Hell as we could ever hope to see, and it is just one of the many heresies set forth in Amoris Laetitia; the selfsame docuмent wherein Francis plainly insists:
- The Divine Law is impossible for some persons to keep (cf AL 295)
- Adultery is not a mortal sin even for those who knowingly persist in it (cf AL 301)
- And worst of all, that God Himself asks us to do so. (cf AL 303)"
No, you simply have a habit of throwing in little digs towards anyone that is not a sede, and especially bishop Williamson. Did you notice btw, you've just done it again ("your" bishop Williamson) !!! And when called out you try to play innocent. How grown up you are!My response to your post was actually a clarification of my original post. It basically said the same thing, but I clarified that my issue with others calling out the SSPX is that the Resistance hasn't made any official comments either. At the very least, that's pretty unfair and therefore not a "useless comment". It's just too bad that my comment upset Samuel's delicate sensibilities.
And my reply about bishop Sanborn was certainly not a jab towards him, but to drive home my point about your useless comment.
This hullaballoo about pope Francis denying hell is based on the memory and integrity of an atheist presstitute. I would be very disappointed if either the SSPX, bishop Williamson or bishop Sanborn would deem it worthy of any substantial comments. We have enough facts to work with that we don't need more sensationalist chatter, which puts honest people off from everything else Traditionalists have to say. Like the boy who cried wolf.
QuoteJust checked their website: still no response. Then again, I don't see one on Bishop Williamson's site either.
..neither on Bishop Sanborn's blog. But thanks for the little dig anyway!
I would have expected that, not another unbelievable attempt by the Vatican to spin his words.
..neither on Bishop Sanborn's blog. But thanks for the little dig anyway!
Bergolio has not said anything about it either. You'd think he would be the first one to correct the article. No?(https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/sspx-response-to-pope-denying-hell/12/?action=reporttm;msg=602573)
https://akacatholic.com/hell-of-a-distraction/ (https://akacatholic.com/hell-of-a-distraction/)Pope Francis is an apostate.
From Louie:
"As a kind reader recently made me aware, among those in Catholic media who have weighed in on the debate is Michael Matt, publisher of America’s oldest traditional newspaper, who said:
If he actually did say this … If he believes this … Pope Francis is a heretic.
Indeed! The next obvious question, one I suspect he is unwilling to answer, is whether or not such a man can be considered Catholic much less the pope.
Look, I don’t mean to pick on Mr. Matt – whose approach to the present crisis is emblematic of a much more widespread problem – but why are we hyperventilating over what may or may not have been said to a ninety-three year old atheist who prides himself on not taking notes?
How about we focus on what we know – like the fact Francis has kindly provided the world with a signed written statement (and other irrefutable evidence) clearly attesting to which immutable Catholic doctrines he accepts and those that he rejects.
On the topic of Hell, for instance, he left no room for debate concerning what he believes, and what’s more, what he intends to lead others into believing, by stating:
No one can be condemned forever, because that is not the logic of the Gospel! Here I am not speaking only of the divorced and remarried, but of everyone… (AL 297)
No one, everyone; i.e., there are no exceptions.
Folks, this is as blatant and as unambiguous a denial of the existence of Hell as we could ever hope to see, and it is just one of the many heresies set forth in Amoris Laetitia; the selfsame docuмent wherein Francis plainly insists:
- The Divine Law is impossible for some persons to keep (cf AL 295)
- Adultery is not a mortal sin even for those who knowingly persist in it (cf AL 301)
- And worst of all, that God Himself asks us to do so. (cf AL 303)"