Our SSPX chapel in Indiana announced it from the pulpit, asking us to praySame here. The priest at our chapel also spoke very highly of His Excellency, and said that he contributed a great deal to the traditional movement.
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Yes, yes ... those are on the individual priests' initiative. What about SSPX themselves, officially? I've seen not a peep out of them.
I would give it a few hours. It's not yet 3 in the morning in Menzingen, and it His Excellency's passing hasn't been announced on any of the 'official' resistance websites (so far only the facebook group and the telegram).You are right, they will surely make an official announcement.
Let's be real. The SSPX is trying to memory-hole the good Bishop. They are all about "the good of the SSPX" as an organization, and other considerations (the good of souls, God's will, charity) come in a DISTANT second.Yep. The new-sspx acts like a soulless corporation more and more. And +Fellay is the perfect CEO - a double-speaking, PR-loving, master politician. Ever since the new-sspx “fired” +Williamson, they’ve treated him like a former employee - disposable, replaceable and forgettable.
I would give it a few hours. It's not yet 3 in the morning in Menzingen, and it His Excellency's passing hasn't been announced on any of the 'official' resistance websites (so far only the facebook group and the telegram).
You are right, they will surely make an official announcement.
However, given Bishop Williamson's importance to the Society and the Church, there ought to have been an official SSPX announcement of his sudden life-threatening illness and a request for Masses and prayers. More than five days passed...
This.
Some individual priests might be "good", and there are valid Masses and graces there. but the SSPX as an organization, in the abstract, is dung.
“The Society of St. Pius X has an irregular status in the Catholic Church,” Bonnemain said. “For this reason, I will not actively participate in the liturgical celebration.”
A Catholic bishop in Switzerland has defended giving Holy Communion to two Protestant church representatives and a Protestant politician at his installation Mass.
https://fsspx.news/en/news/communique-general-house-50222Thank you, andy!
https://fsspx.news/en/news/communique-general-house-50222"before retiring to England."
Well, he did eventually “retire to England” when he purchased the house in Broadstairs, but before then, he stayed in temporary accommodations.He was "retired", virtually "imprisoned", actively taken out of circulation in order to eliminate his Catholic resistance to their subversive plans which were even then contrary to their mission to which they were canonically obliged by the General Chapter of 2006.
Someone at the SSPX should have been clever enough to change the word “to” to “in.” It would have disguised the time exiled to the attic.
Read second paragraph with a tone of sarcasm.
I bet the massive outpouring of love and support for Bishop Williamson are getting under their skin.Good.
"before retiring to England."Right, PV. This is a total lie. +W didn't retire; the new-sspx "retired" (i.e. fired) him. The integrity level of the new-sspx gets smaller by the day.
How's that for a blatant lie in the SSPX obituary?
THEREFORE, if the SSPX were totally dissolved, say they were shut down by the government, sued for 500 billion and thus had to collapse, it would be 100% good, 0% bad, a total blessing for the world.
Bishop Williamson will be missed and I enjoyed my three years at seminary under his rectorship. We all know that Lord Williamson denied the great modern day dogma, "No salvation for those who deny the gas chambers." He was an Episcopus non gratus, "a bishop not in grace," and I am surprised that he was not ousted from the SSPX much earlier.THe question should have been:
And then after the events of 911, when he called out the Bushes for their complicity in a masonic, deep state, adventure, this at last sealed his fate. He had become the dreaded "conspiracy theorist." Lord Williamson was never expelled from the SSPX for doctrinal reasons, in fact when I was in seminary ('94-97') the general consensus among the seminary professors was, "Let us not preach against the New Mass, calling it a sin, because, after all, we want to gain converts to tradition."
I remember our first year at seminary and the bishop gave us a blind quiz, asking us, "How many J's died in the gas chambers?" I was the only seminarian who put a big fat "0" on my piece of paper. I had already done my Auschwitz homework before arriving at the seminary. The bishop wanted to know who answered "zero" on the quiz, and as I raised my hand, the bishop smiled. What really disappointed me about the quiz is the fact that nine other seminarians had not done their homework prior to arrival at the seminary.
It is weird, I know... It is almost like the Modernist hierarchy are not Catholic and belong to another religion - that practices the already condemned heresy of Modernism. They literally call themselves "modern Catholics" and trads call themselves "Traditional Catholics". It's like they are two different faiths.
Are heretics members of the Catholic Church?
"Such, Venerable Brethren, is a summary description of the apologetic method of the Modernists, in perfect harmony, as you may see, with their doctrines - methods and doctrines brimming over with errors, made not for edification but for destruction, not for the formation of Catholics but for the plunging of Catholics into heresy; methods and doctrines that would be fatal to any religion."
Now, who are the "Resistance sedevacantists" for real - I want to find out more about them please...
Is Modernism a condemned heresy?
"We recommend the eternal rest of his soul to your fervent prayers."
Am I reading this wrong or does this last sentence smack of indifference or worse?
Could they not have at least offered an "Eternal Rest" or a "Let us pray" for him?
It's Cardinal Rampolla - the Mason who almost was voted in as Pope instead of Pius X.
Ok, Roscoe, waiting....
If the SSPX were to be dissolved, then what would our options be for the sacraments? You might say that there are plenty of sedevacantist chapels that we could go to, but what if we aren't sedevacantist? And because there are so few Resistance chapels in the U.S., it's not an option for most of us.
Meg,
Pope St. Pius X said that Modernism is the synthesis of all heresies and that it's goal is the destruction of DOGMA. Heresy is the denial of Dogma. He gave us the Oath Against Modernism to be taken by all clergy, pastors, confessors, preachers, religious superiors, and professors in philosophical-theological seminaries. The word "definition" (or dogmatic definitions) he says, should be understood today as they were in 1910 or the original meaning.
I tried to make that clear.
I'm talking about a hypothetical that takes a lot of imagination.
Imagine tomorrow the SSPX is dissolved. Someone sues them for 750 billion, the victims are awarded the whole amount, and the SSPX is forced to be sold off and liquidated. Again, we're NOT talking about a nuke dropped on Menzingen during a rare "100% of their priests" meeting there. That wouldn't be good at all. That's why I'm specific about the organization/bank accounts/real estate/propaganda outlets being destroyed, and nothing more.
That would be 100% good. Some growing pains, yes -- but it would be GOOD FOR ALL PARTIES.
The consequences would be:
- hundreds of priests now outside the SSPX and its control. Each priest would obviously set up shop somewhere, to serve the Faithful.
- the Faithful would largely have to give up their beautiful buildings and illusion that "the Crisis is over". That would be 100% good, in my opinion. People *need* a bit more basement, spare room, garage, and hotel Masses in their lives. WAY TOO MANY TRADS are bombarded with evidence all around them that there is no Crisis in the Church any longer -- what with the size, manpower, equipment, and professionalism of the SSPX, which rivals that of the Catholic Church before Vatican II!
- Like in the 1970s and 1980s, Trads would learn to appreciate having the Mass once again, and would have to stop taking it for granted.
My point is that the SSPX adds nothing, over and above what GOD gives in the Mass, and what the Priests give by their ministrations. All the SSPX adds is evil, corruption, lies, propaganda, enabling of crimes against children, etc.
Yes, the world would be better off without all that.
Even the least of their "evils" -- propagating the illusion that the Crisis is over -- is not exactly good for most Trads. Because of their material success, years in business, war chest, and real estate portfolio. If that were all taken away, it would be better for Tradition -- and the world -- as a whole.
Duh. I know what Modernism is. Pope St. Pius X knew what Modernism is. But he never said that Modernists were outside of the Church. He never said that sedevacantism was the answer to the heresy of Modernism. He never mentioned sedevacantism at all.
Duh. I know what Modernism is. Pope St. Pius X knew what Modernism is. But he never said that Modernists were outside of the Church. He never said that sedevacantism was the answer to the heresy of Modernism. He never mentioned sedevacantism at all.Was sedevacantism even a "thing" during the Papacy of St Pius X? Yes, the threat was modernism, and they were still in the Church as the revolution was not yet complete.
Was sedevacantism even a "thing" during the Papacy of St Pius X? Yes, the threat was modernism, and they were still in the Church as the revolution was not yet complete.
The Pope had to address the infiltration of the modernists, jews and freemasons working inside the Church.
St Pius X was also a Pope in the pre-Vatican ll Church- why would he speak of sedevacantism during his reign?
Sedevacantism was a logical response to the false Consilliar Vll Church and a rejection of the official hijacking of the Church, including the papacy.
If Pius X had spoken, let's say in 1958 ,or 1972 or 1986 or 2012 or 2025-or so, do you think it was possible that he would have addressed sedevacantism?
Even in Tradition, we have many modernists still, if you pay close attention. They are still here, within the Church.
No, I don't believe that Pope St. Pius X would have addressed or advocated for sedevacantism if he were here today, or if he were alive since the VII council. Modernism hasn't changed. Modernism is still Modernism, no matter who it is that is attached to the heresy.
I tried to make that clear.It is unfortunate that this statement is true. I remain amazed that more SSPX priests have not chosen to go to independent chapels whether they be Sede or not. The sacraments supersede any glorious monuments the SSPX dreams of.
I'm talking about a hypothetical that takes a lot of imagination.
Imagine tomorrow the SSPX is dissolved. Someone sues them for 750 billion, the victims are awarded the whole amount, and the SSPX is forced to be sold off and liquidated. Again, we're NOT talking about a nuke dropped on Menzingen during a rare "100% of their priests" meeting there. That wouldn't be good at all. That's why I'm specific about the organization/bank accounts/real estate/propaganda outlets being destroyed, and nothing more.
That would be 100% good. Some growing pains, yes -- but it would be GOOD FOR ALL PARTIES.
The consequences would be:
- hundreds of priests now outside the SSPX and its control. Each priest would obviously set up shop somewhere, to serve the Faithful.
- the Faithful would largely have to give up their beautiful buildings and illusion that "the Crisis is over". That would be 100% good, in my opinion. People *need* a bit more basement, spare room, garage, and hotel Masses in their lives. WAY TOO MANY TRADS are bombarded with evidence all around them that there is no Crisis in the Church any longer -- what with the size, manpower, equipment, and professionalism of the SSPX, which rivals that of the Catholic Church before Vatican II!
- Like in the 1970s and 1980s, Trads would learn to appreciate having the Mass once again, and would have to stop taking it for granted.
My point is that the SSPX adds nothing, over and above what GOD gives in the Mass, and what the Priests give by their ministrations. All the SSPX adds is evil, corruption, lies, propaganda, enabling of crimes against children, etc.
Yes, the world would be better off without all that.
Even the least of their "evils" -- propagating the illusion that the Crisis is over -- is not exactly good for most Trads. Because of their material success, years in business, war chest, and real estate portfolio. If that were all taken away, it would be better for Tradition -- and the world -- as a whole.
The SSPX in Herne England and Preston announced Prayers!It's quite possible that we know each other. Whenever we come to the UK from France, we go to mass in Herne
Funnily enough it started where Bp Williamson off at the Brompton Oratory they asked for Prayers!
Those buildings and new SSPX churches ain't cheap, man. :laugh1:
Uhm, no, you EXPELLED him, sacrificed him to the Jews and Modernists, and that will forever redound to your disgrace.
Lad!!He’s probably laughing at them.
They may as well have written it in shorthand? Anyway, what does he care if he's shining bright in Heaven, not a jot!!
An Irish blessing I always write when saying farewell: "Ar dheis lámh Dé go raibh a hanam dilís(On God's right hand may his sweet soul be)".
He’s probably laughing at themNo, he's praying for them to return to their original purpose.
No, he's praying for them to return to their original purpose.Probably both.
Lad!!
They may as well have written it in shorthand? Anyway, what does he care if he's shining bright in Heaven, not a jot!!
Of course he doesn't care, but this realization is for us, as per hollingsworth's post just before mine, where it's a matter of exposing who the SSPX are. What they wrote (and didn't write) about Bishop Williamson speaks volumes about who they are.Absolutely. Even more telling is the fact that the UK District (https://fsspx.uk/en), where Bishop Williamson lived at the HQ, 125 Arthur Road, Wimbledon, have no mention whatsover of his passing. They maintain a list of recently departed, and all departed persons associated with the SSPX yet there is no mention of Bishop Williamson. On the list of departed souls there are several priests, and laity, who separated themselves from the SSPX over the years whose names are listed so why not Bishop Williamson?
Absolutely. Even more telling is the fact that the UK District (https://fsspx.uk/en), where Bishop Williamson lived at the HQ, 125 Arthur Road, Wimbledon, have no mention whatsover of his passing. They maintain a list of recently departed, and all departed persons associated with the SSPX yet there is no mention of Bishop Williamson. On the list of departed souls there are several priests, and laity, who separated themselves from the SSPX over the years whose names are listed so why not Bishop Williamson?That is terrible and shameful!
I was warning the faithful to get out of SSPX at least a decade ago, when I was still pretty active on Cathinfo. Now I post only rarely. Few of you were very sympathetic then. But your tune has changed, and it's gratifying to hear. The SSPX needs to go. Bp Fellay and his corrupt organization need to be thoroughly exposed. Bp Williamson was the heart of that apostolate. And Fellay & Co. cut the heart out of it.Yes, indeed, the heart of the SSPX was stripped out.
The SSPX chapel down here sent a last-minute email stating that there would be a Mass on Thursday for the repose of Bishop Williamson.That's odd. Usually when a priest in the SSPX dies, they say a requiem for his soul the next day. ☹
That's odd. Usually when a priest in the SSPX dies, they say a requiem for his soul the next day. ☹At the SSPX church where I am, both priests offered Mass for the repose of Bishop Williamson's soul the day after his death i.e. the next Mass they offered after news of his death. One of the priests also offered at least two Masses before his death for the grace of a happy and holy death.
An SSPX priest here in Europe told me, that there is a communication from the General House on the subject of requiem.Very interesting.
It states that a private requiem for Bishop Williamson is possible, but not a public one.
"Private" in this context means that the intention for which the Mass is being offered is known to no one but the celebrant (and the the donor of the stipend, or to very few other person). The opposite would be an announced Mass.
Anyone who knows a little about canon law will notice that this order corresponds to the treatment of excommunicated persons. In the Codex Iuris Canonici of 1917, c. 2262 states (in English translation):
Canon 2262
§ 1. One excommunicated is not able to participate in the indulgences, suffrages, and public prayers of the Church.
§ 2. Nevertheless, it is not prohibited:
1.° For the faithful to pray privately for him;
2.° For priests privately and avoiding scandal to apply Mass for him; but, if he is banned, only for his conversion.
An SSPX priest here in Europe told me, that there is a communication from the General House on the subject of requiem.But +Williamson was only "excommunicated" from the SSPX, not the Catholic Church, unless the SSPX thinks his Novus Ordo "excommunication" for "illicitly" consecrating bishops is valid?
It states that a private requiem for Bishop Williamson is possible, but not a public one.
"Private" in this context means that the intention for which the Mass is being offered is known to no one but the celebrant (and the the donor of the stipend, or to very few other person). The opposite would be an announced Mass.
Anyone who knows a little about canon law will notice that this order corresponds to the treatment of excommunicated persons. In the Codex Iuris Canonici of 1917, c. 2262 states (in English translation):
Canon 2262
§ 1. One excommunicated is not able to participate in the indulgences, suffrages, and public prayers of the Church.
§ 2. Nevertheless, it is not prohibited:
1.° For the faithful to pray privately for him;
2.° For priests privately and avoiding scandal to apply Mass for him; but, if he is banned, only for his conversion.
Very interesting.Yes, there seems to be a diversity of opinions in the SSPX regarding this.
If it is true, it certainly was not observed by SSPX priests in my neck of the woods.
But +Williamson was only "excommunicated" from the SSPX, not the Catholic Church, unless the SSPX thinks his Novus Ordo "excommunication" for "illicitly" consecrating bishops is valid?I would bet that they think it's valid.
An SSPX priest here in Europe told me, that there is a communication from the General House on the subject of requiem.So when the Archbishop died did they follow that Canon Law????
It states that a private requiem for Bishop Williamson is possible, but not a public one.
"Private" in this context means that the intention for which the Mass is being offered is known to no one but the celebrant (and the the donor of the stipend, or to very few other person). The opposite would be an announced Mass.
Anyone who knows a little about canon law will notice that this order corresponds to the treatment of excommunicated persons. In the Codex Iuris Canonici of 1917, c. 2262 states (in English translation):
Canon 2262
§ 1. One excommunicated is not able to participate in the indulgences, suffrages, and public prayers of the Church.
§ 2. Nevertheless, it is not prohibited:
1.° For the faithful to pray privately for him;
2.° For priests privately and avoiding scandal to apply Mass for him; but, if he is banned, only for his conversion.
Who is that a picture of? He has the face of Bergoglio mixed with Ratzinger...In 1987, a small church in Winnipeg, Canada was closing and they were selling stuff, like a garage sale. Under some stairs I found two boxes full of German newspapers: Suntag in Bilm, or something like that...Sunday in Pictures...
Yes, there seems to be a diversity of opinions in the SSPX regarding this.That looks to be the case. I know of three still in the SSPX priests who offered Mass both before and after his death. One was ordained by Archbishop LeFebvre, the other two by Bp. Williamson.
Perhaps the older priests and/or those ordained by him are the only ones offering requiems for him?
Unofficial.What's wrong with his vestments? This would have been how cardinals were attired in the late 1800's.
Photo of Cardinal Rampolla, who was elected Pope, sort of...
https://www.alamyimages.fr/photos-images/cardinal-rampolla.html?cutout=1&sortBy=relevant
This might be the photo...look at his demeanor and vestments.
St Pius X, pray for us!
I was saddened to hear about Bishop Williamson. I always appreciated his talks and sermons. It seems that the SSPX is trying to save face after being pressured to respond, likely due to concerns over fundraising. May the good Bishop rest with our Lord now. What a poor example the SSPX sets for the flock.It’s not just the Sspx, it’s most churches. All about the Money. Many wolves in sheep clothing.
Duh. I know what Modernism is. Pope St. Pius X knew what Modernism is. But he never said that Modernists were outside of the Church. He never said that sedevacantism was the answer to the heresy of Modernism. He never mentioned sedevacantism at all.
What's wrong with his vestments? This would have been how cardinals were attired in the late 1800's.You are correct...same type of vestments. When I first saw the large picture in the German newspaper in 1987, I had an impression , ie. scary. When I showed it to the seminarian, he remarked the same.
Pius X would have worn the same...
(https://i.imgur.com/V8GuQqL.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/G2FNrrD.png)
Cardinal Sarto is dressed similar.
They certainly don't follow the Code on donations.How so?
(LifeSiteNews (https://www.lifesitenews.com/)) — Bishop Richard Williamson died today at the age of 84 in a British hospital surrounded (https://x.com/TheWMReview/status/1883651497654972924) by close friends (https://x.com/TheWMReview/status/1883845324483231831) and clergy following an unexpected brain hemorrhage last Friday. His Excellency was administered (https://x.com/CatholicResist/status/1883128351298359431) Last Rites by an assistant priest at his residence in Broadstairs, England immediately after the incident.
According to an update given on social media (https://t.me/s/truthunchained) by those close to him, Williamson died at 11:23 p.m. GMT, and his “final agony was only a matter of minutes.”
Williamson was one of four traditional Catholic priests consecrated by French Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre (1905-1991) and Brazilian Bishop Antônio de Castro Mayer (1904-1991) in 1988. 48-years-old at the time, Williamson — who was Lefebvre’s initial choice to be consecrated alone — was one of four auxiliary (https://fsspx.org/en/sspxs-bishops-30963) bishops consecrated for the Society of St. Pius X. Spanish priest Alfonso de Galarreta, now 67, Swiss priest Bernard Fellay, now 66, and French priest Bernard Tissier de Mallerais, who passed away last year (https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/sspx-bishop-tissier-de-mallerais-dies-at-age-79/) at the age of 79, were consecrated along with him.
Dubbed “Operation Survival (https://sspx.org/en/1988-episcopal-consecrations-sermon-30926)” by Lefebvre, the undertaking prompted the Vatican to issue a decree stating that the parties involved had incurred an automatic excommunication. The SSPX contested the validity of that pronouncement and in 2009 Benedict XVI lifted (https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/this-dissertation-on-vatican-ii-influenced-romes-decision-to-lift-the-excommunications-of-the-sspx-bishops/) the punishment.
Williamson was born to John and Helen Williamson in Hampstead, London in 1940. Raised Anglican, he received a classical education at Winchester College and Cambridge University, where he came to have a deep love for poetry, music, and literature, especially Shakespeare and Mozart. In his 20s, he taught language for two years at a boy’s school in Africa before returning to his homeland and converting to Catholicism at the age of 31 thanks to praying the rosary. He is survived by one remaining brother.
At the insistence of an Irish priest, Williamson enrolled at the flagship seminary of the SSPX in Switzerland in 1972 after having previously tried his vocation elsewhere. Historian and close friend Dr. David Allen White recounted Williamson’s conversion story in his biography The Voice of the Trumpet (https://www.amazon.com/Voice-Trumpet-Richard-Williamson-Movements/dp/1940306167).
Having proven himself to be an effective educator, Williamson was asked by Lefebvre to serve as the rector of the U.S. District’s seminary beginning in 1983 after nine American priests left the Society. Williamson immediately began publishing monthly letters (https://williamsonletters.blogspot.com/) on current events, politics, and similar topics related to the crisis in the Church. Among other things, he was an ardent promoter of the writings of St. Paul, the alleged (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garabandal_apparitions) Marian apparitions (https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/alleged-garabandal-prophecies-heaven-is-preparing-a-divine-reset-from-god/) in Garabandal, Spain in the 1960s, the “seven ages of the church” theory, (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A02gfliDdvI) Our Lady of Akita, and praying (https://x.com/norsk2083/status/1883572239762903368) 15 decades of the rosary every day. The essays (https://stmarcelinitiative.org/product-category/books/) were a precursor to his Eleison Comments (https://stmarcelinitiative.org/eleison-comments/) weekly articles.
Williamson oversaw the formation of hundreds of young men at the U.S. seminary, which under his direction in 1988 relocated from Ridgefield, Connecticut to a much larger (https://stas.org/en/news/winona-years-1988-2016-7203), former Dominican monastery in Winona, Minnesota. Many of the impassioned sermons (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A3iVQixyTg) and lectures he gave on Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RvF8Ej0ukM&t), history (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lX3x8xYgJ_o), globalism, economics, and other eclectic (https://williamsonletters.blogspot.com/2009/02/girls-at-university.html) subjects (https://williamsonletters.blogspot.com/2009/02/problem-with-sound-of-music.html) like women wearing pants (https://williamsonletters.blogspot.com/2009/02/womens-trousers-are-assault-upon-womans.html) and The Sound of Music can still be found online. He was reassigned to the Society’s seminary in Argentina in 2003 where he remained until returning to England in the late 2000s.
Tensions arose between Williamson and SSPX leadership over how to respond to an international media frenzy that occurred after he told (https://futurefreespeech.org/williamson-v-germany/) a journalist (https://www.france24.com/en/20090208-h0Ɩ0cαųst-denying-bishop-stands-convictions-) in 2008 that he believed “no gas chambers” were used in Germany during World War II. The remarks, which he later called “imprudent (https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/14946/bishop-williamson-apologizes-for-imprudent-h0Ɩ0cαųst-remarks),” caused headaches for Benedict XVI who had just lifted the 1988 excommunications of the Society’s bishops.
For the next four years, Williamson was without a public assignment. In August 2012, he made an unauthorized visit (https://dominicansavrille.us/?p=2194) to a then-SSPX-aligned Benedictine monastery (https://www.mosteirodasantacruz.org/) in Brazil to perform confirmations (https://www.archbishoplefebvre.com/monks-nuns.html). He also grew more vocal in accusing (https://ca-rc.com/articles/open-letter-to-bishop-fellay-on-an-exclusion) those who were in positions of authority in the SSPX of betraying (https://stmarcelinitiative.org/sspx-betrayal/) Archbishop Lefebvre’s principles by seeking a practical accord (https://www.archbishoplefebvre.com/blog/eleison-comments-cccxv-3151) with (https://stmarcelinitiative.org/bishops-letter/) “unconverted Rome.” Letters between (https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/letter-of-three-sspx-bishops-to-bishop-fellay-in-english/) high-ranking (https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2012/05/letter-of-general-council-of-society-of.html) SSPX clergy debating (https://www.archbishoplefebvre.com/letterofthitysevenpriests.html) that subject (https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/letter-of-three-sspx-bishops-to-bishop-fellay-in-english/) were leaked to the public at the time, which lead to several books (https://www.amazon.com/Are-Compromises-Contradictions-Practical-Modernist/dp/0578565889/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1KQJ9WG55RXBE&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.lEMnYqOdK64vWAK0DtuTf8Ty5No43loG9tH2mHlwFAH-4FQZrS2euc4nnhSHWXBeTdf9U20egnLcyfn-rBvFcza4PzhGn-n3bURY0E-vz9cF0B0QxR1HcO3wZvuPMZFZoJ6ckLjpqEMCN4vr0_yMcGExpekdbk12Q7Hu2uHgz6h_uYeNDZUvPGymddsGbGRHL4hCuOZmjMwD9v-P83TuXHIgmF7hIbSkosaGx9R9j3H39IicEttROlTzT_set30h.1bxMdeHGjt0ciEL6QyygPKObzHDR8RMsBwwha1RZnQ0&dib_tag=se&keywords=as+we+are+sean+johnson&qid=1737816799&s=books&sprefix=as+we+are+sean+johnson,stripbooks,114&sr=1-1) being published (https://www.amazon.com/Impossible-Reconciliation-Docuмents-Operation-2000-2013/dp/1492348309) about the group’s inner workings.
Williamson was asked by then-SSPX Superior General Bishop Bernard Fellay to halt his weekly newsletter, which he did not do. He was eventually dismissed (https://stmarcelinitiative.org/farewellwimbledon/) from the Society (https://sspx.ca/en/news/bishop-williamson-excluded-sspx-4603) in October 2012 by a vote at a general chapter meeting that he was excluded from attending for not showing due “respect and obedience to his lawful superiors.” (https://www.ncronline.org/news/vatican/sspx-expels-bishop-who-opposed-talks-vatican)
In the ensuing years, a small number of SSPX priests either resigned or were asked to leave for expressing views similar to Williamson’s. His Excellency coined the term “the Resistance (https://www.suscipedomine.com/forum/index.php?topic=7953.0)” to describe what he called a “loose association” of clergy who were “faithful” to Archbishop Lefebvre’s approach toward “the Conciliar Church.” The number of Resistance priests worldwide is estimated to be more than 60 but not higher than 90, though sympathies for their thinking still seems to be present (https://www.remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=3194:vatican-provision-for-sspx-marriages-sparks-major-controversy-in-french-district) among some clergy in the SSPX, which since the early 2010s (https://sspx.org/en/news/sspx-falsely-accused-resistance-what-4646) has said that a canonical agreement (https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2012/04/rome-sspx-we-cannot-be-88ers.html) with the Vatican is owed to them in justice (https://fsspx.news/en/news/sspx-and-conversion-rome-tradition-17117) and that “prudence (https://sspx.org/en/news/avoiding-false-spirit-resistance-5038)” will dictate what its terms would look like.
In 2015, Williamson consecrated (https://dominicansavrille.us/?p=1642) French priest Fr. Jean-Michel Faure. Faure had been asked by Lefebvre to be consecrated in 1988 but turned down the offer after stating he believed he was unworthy. The SSPX denounced (https://sspx.org/en/news/no-comparison-1988-faures-consecration-5676) the move in a press release, but the Vatican has never commented on it. Faure has since established the Society of the Apostles of Jesus and Mary (https://apotresdejesusetdemarie.fr/le-seminaire/) in France. Similar apostolates (https://respicestellam.org/) linked (https://www.youtube.com/@prevatican2talks) to (https://abbe-pivert.com/) Williamson have been (https://www.facebook.com/mariancorpsofst.piusx) founded (https://www.rappler.com/philippines/visayas/cebu-cradle-christianity-asia-becomes-nursery-catholic-resistance-marian-corps-saint-pius-x/) elsewhere (https://x.com/CatholicResist/status/1687132793002762241) across (https://x.com/CatholicResist/status/1858594051387519137) the world.
During the last 10 years of his life, Williamson consecrated (https://fsspxr.wordpress.com/bp-stobnicki/) at (https://fsspxranglia.wordpress.com/2017/05/13/episcopal-blessing-of-monsignor-gerardo-zendejas-sajm/) least (https://x.com/CatholicResist/status/1688704875847147522) six (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtKNiUXujk0) bishops (https://dominicansavrille.us/?p=2211) and (https://international.la-croix.com/news/religion/ex-lefebvrist-prelate-illicitly-consecrates-a-fourth-bishop/17152) ordained more than a dozen priests, most of whom live in Europe, but some of whom reside in the United States and South America. More recently, he offered praise (https://stmarcelinitiative.org/vigano-commentary/) for Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò. Williamson had been publishing his weekly newsletter, appearing (https://x.com/EniorJimenez/status/1883346646320451940) on Catholic (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPY54MzTMdc) podcasts (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjUrIIu7epg&t=232s), and posting sermons to his YouTube channel (https://www.youtube.com/@sermonsandconferencesofbis6845/videos) as recently as last Sunday. Scores of Traditional Catholics on social media prayed (https://x.com/TheNigerianTrad/status/1883024213331808663) for (https://x.com/Charlesquinnlaw/status/1883159572615147816) and expressed (https://x.com/realDaveReilly/status/1883034800023593277) gratitude (https://x.com/Michael_J_Matt/status/1883204473771761687) for him in the days prior to his passing.
LifeSiteNews encourages readers to pray for the repose of the soul of Bishop Richard Williamson.
How so?Read old threads here on CI where the old and new code says "donations for a specific purpose must be used for that purpose" yet money raised for a new church was taken from the parishoners, the church was closed and the money used for another church miles away where the parishoners couldn't reach it. Also a fully paid for church was signed over to the society who mortgaged it to the hilt and are now going to close it (sell it) and the parishoners will have to go to the indult.
But what is to the Cardinal's right? The skirting of the small table. Is that also part of his vestments, or tapestry, or what...?No it appears to be a heavily carved drum table that has been embossed with gold, similarly matching the coffee table further to his right
On another extreme are those who think +Williamson wasn't even validly baptized ∵ he came from Anglicanism. 🤦♂️I don't believe for a minute that he himself and the Archbishop didn't take that possibility into consideration and took steps to rectify it.
Read old threads here on CI where the old and new code says "donations for a specific purpose must be used for that purpose" yet money raised for a new church was taken from the parishoners, the church was closed and the money used for another church miles away where the parishoners couldn't reach it. Also a fully paid for church was signed over to the society who mortgaged it to the hilt and are now going to close it (sell it) and the parishoners will have to go to the indult.It happens a lot in everything. It’s really disappointing when it is a church that operates in a dishonest way. It’s how the Novus ordo works often with church closings.
There are several examples of when the code on donations wasn't adhered to.
"He never said that sedevacantism was the answer to the heresy of Modernism. He never mentioned sedevacantism at all."
What do you mean by this?
To me it sounds like you're saying,
"The man occupying the Chair of St. Peter didn't mention the Chair of St. Peter being vacant."
Is that a "thing" in his regard? Has it come up before?I believe +W was baptized by Fr. Flanagan.
Even the N.O. "star apologist" Aitkin admits:
"It had been customary to administer conditional baptism to Protestants converting to the Catholic faith in case there had been a defect in form, matter, or intention when baptism was administered to them in their original church. "
"After the revision of the rites that followed the Council, it became less common to administer conditional baptism to Protestants becoming Catholic, though it is still done (as it was in my own case)."
Do you know if +Williamson was?
I don't believe for a minute that he himself and the Archbishop didn't take that possibility into consideration and took steps to rectify it.
I believe the Archbishop made sure every candidate was validly baptized and confirmed before he ordained them.
They make sure each Seminarian is *confirmed* validly, for crying out loud. Even more so they'd make sure about baptism.
A couple seminarians in my class received conditional Confirmation -- just weeks after entering the Seminary.
At least as of 2000, they were like that. I don't know what the neo-SSPX would do today. I can't speak to that.
On another extreme are those who think +Williamson wasn't even validly baptized ∵ he came from Anglicanism. 🤦♂️
Read old threads here on CI where the old and new code says "donations for a specific purpose must be used for that purpose" yet money raised for a new church was taken from the parishoners, the church was closed and the money used for another church miles away where the parishoners couldn't reach it. Also a fully paid for church was signed over to the society who mortgaged it to the hilt and are now going to close it (sell it) and the parishoners will have to go to the indult.
There are several examples of when the code on donations wasn't adhered to.
(https://sspx.org/sites/default/files/drupal-7/cropped_image.jpg)you gotta be kidding me.......
Amazing building ...
but then have a look at the chapel here (total garbage), showing you where their priorities are ...
(https://stas.org/sites/default/files/styles/spotlight_mobile_large/public/st-thomas-aquinas-seminary-usa/chapel_2.jpg?itok=R48A4sag)
80% of SSPX mission chapels look better than this.
So. a seminarian's spiritual formation could be greatly helped by having a nice chapel / church that help elevate the mind and soul to God. This looks like a VFW hall with an altar on the side, just tossed in ... barely better than many of the makeshift hotel chapels they used to have in the early days.
The SSPX has a very bad habit of starting projects and not finishing them.That’s very much true, in my experience. The reason is the constant rotation of priests and resultant infighting among the laity. Projects just about get off the ground when the founding priest is replaced by another with different goals and different supporters from among the faithful.
This looks like a VFW hall with an altar on the side, just tossed inIt's a conference room that they're currently using for their chapel, until they can raise funds to build the actual chapel.
Regarding the original theme of this thread, the falsehood was repeated this past Sunday at the SSPX Cleveland chapel that Msgr. Williamson "left" the Society. When this was stated, I very visibly shook my head in disagreement and muttered to myself in my best Williamson-style accent and manner: "Lies, lies ... all lies."
It's a conference room that they're currently using for their chapel, until they can raise funds to build the actual chapel.
Some factors that likely played into it: individuals' egos (look at how big a shot I am with my huge seminary), believing they'd get flooded with new seminarians after a regularization, desire to be near D.C., and the need to cash-strap the SSPX so badly that they would be forced to seek help from various special interest groups that would then have a large say in how things would be run ... e.g. Krah and company, as well as needing increased numbers of lay faithful (coming in from the Motu refugees), so they can't be too far "right" in their positions and their rhetoric, since they can't afford to lose all that collection money.
Our chapel's response:
Dear Faithful,
Please pray for the repose of the soul of Bishop Richard Williamson, who was called to God yesterday, 29 January 2025, at 11.23pm.
Following a cerebral hemorrhage, he was rushed to hospital on the evening of January 24, after having received extreme unction. He was 84 years old, having been born on March 8, 1940.
Ordained to the priesthood by Archbishop Lefebvre on June 29, 1976, he taught at the seminary in Weissbad for a year, then at Écône for five years. After a year as vice rector in Ridgefield, he directed the seminary in the United States for twenty years, then in Argentina for six, before retiring to England. Consecrated bishop on June 30, 1988, he also served as the Society’s second Assistant General between 1988 and 1994. Although his path and that of the Society separated many years ago, we nevertheless owe him a true debt of gratitude, in particular for his work in this country which includes the many priests he formed here, as well as the priestly ordinations and confirmations which he conferred. I recommend the eternal rest of his soul to your fervent prayers. Requiescat in Pace.
But +Williamson was only "excommunicated" from the SSPX, not the Catholic Church, unless the SSPX thinks his Novus Ordo "excommunication" for "illicitly" consecrating bishops is valid?Actually:
Stephen Kokx's LSN article (https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/former-sspx-bishop-richard-williamson-dies-at-age-84/) is good:So +Williamson is more "excommunicated" from the SSPX than he is from the Conciliar Church‽ 🤔Quote from: LSNIn 2015, Williamson consecrated French priest Fr. Jean-Michel Faure. Faure had been asked by Lefebvre to be consecrated in 1988 but turned down the offer after stating he believed he was unworthy. The SSPX denounced (https://sspx.org/en/news/no-comparison-1988-faures-consecration-5676) the move in a press release, but the Vatican [i.e., Conciliar Church] has never commented on it.
They just pasted that in from fsspx.news website, verbatim.Almost, except they added "We nevertheless owe him a true debt of gratitude, in particular for his work in this country which includes the many priests he formed here, as well as the priestly ordinations and confirmations which he conferred."