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Offline SeanJohnson

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Re: Fr. Chazal on SSPX/COVID19 Vaccinations Article
« Reply #345 on: December 08, 2020, 06:33:28 AM »
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  • So finally we have a rebuttal of the “material cooperation” argument.

    He says it is formal cooperation (Fr. Chazal and the SSPX have contradictory definitions of “formal”).
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Fr. Chazal on SSPX/COVID19 Vaccinations Article
    « Reply #346 on: December 08, 2020, 11:28:22 AM »
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  • So finally we have a rebuttal of the “material cooperation” argument.

    He says it is formal cooperation (Fr. Chazal and the SSPX have contradictory definitions of “formal”).
    I like that observation that substance is both a form and a matter. It is the artificially sustained body piece of killed person (same DNA)  - this substance is there to make the product.
    Although I am not sure how to square this (around 13:00) "a plumber makes some repairs at abortion clinic: he does not commit a sin (only material cooperation)" 


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    « Reply #347 on: December 09, 2020, 09:39:30 AM »
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    Re: Fr. Chazal on SSPX/COVID19 Vaccinations Article
    « Reply #348 on: December 10, 2020, 03:57:29 PM »
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  • I just sent His Excellency the following email:

    "Greetings Your Lordship-

    I was listening to Your Lordship's sermon of Dec. 6 regarding the COVID19 abortive vaccine.  Can your Lordship confirm that the SSPX is correct in advising their faithful that there can be certain circuмstances in which the use of abortive vaccines is morally acceptable/permissible?

    If so, what do you make of Fr. Scott's 2000 article concluding the contrary (or the words of those like Vigano, Burke, Schneider, et al. who, without supplying a supporting rationale, nevertheless concur that such vaccines can never be used)?"

    Should I get a response, and permission to post it, I will do so.
    Sean, Wondering if you heard from Bishop Williamson? I would be interested in hearing his response (if allowed to post).  Perhaps he will write about this in the next Eleison Comment.

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    Re: Fr. Chazal on SSPX/COVID19 Vaccinations Article
    « Reply #349 on: December 11, 2020, 04:39:09 PM »
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  • I like that observation that substance is both a form and a matter. It is the artificially sustained body piece of killed person (same DNA)  - this substance is there to make the product.
    Although I am not sure how to square this (around 13:00) "a plumber makes some repairs at abortion clinic: he does not commit a sin (only material cooperation)"
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     (around 13:00) "a plumber makes some repairs at abortion clinic: he does not commit a sin (only material cooperation)"  - I think father is just outright wrong here. Fixing plumbing for an abortion place is a direct formal collaboration. 


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    « Reply #350 on: December 11, 2020, 05:11:36 PM »
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  • What about telcom company setting up a phone line for an abortion place. Are they workers in sin when performing job?

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    « Reply #351 on: December 11, 2020, 05:17:13 PM »
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  • Or a bakery which prepares a cake for the same sex "wedding". Is that sin too?

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