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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: Incredulous on May 23, 2017, 07:22:22 PM
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Never mind that Francis, hides the 3rd Secret and denies Our Lady of Fatima's warning about an imminent chastisement of the human race.
(http://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/HTimages_g-k/G035_Judge.jpg)
Last Sunday, with a straight face, Menzingen gave out "talking points" to their priests,
promoting Francis's Plenary Indulgence for the 100th anniversary of Fatima.
(http://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/HTimages_g-k/G035_Cross.jpg)
The xSPX covers for and condones a "destroyer pope" who publicly disavows Our God is Catholic.
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Are you suggesting that the pope doesn't have the authority to grant indulgences?
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Are you suggesting that the pope doesn't have the authority to grant indulgences?
I'm suggesting the blatant failure of two different religious "duties of state":
1. The Pope's duty of state to protect the deposit of Faith and not destroy it.
2. The SSPX's clerical duty of state, to publicly resist a pope in error.
It's politically convenient for the SSPX to "cherry pick" items of papal authority, that allow them to endorse the pope, while compromising with him on graver dogmatic issues, and ignoring Francis's insults to the Mother of God.
(http://www.tfp.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/weeping-fatima-statue.jpg)
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So, what say ye TKGS:
Defend the SSPX's spin for their "state of grace" and the destroyer pope's "primacy" , or rally to fight for the Virgin Mary ?
You can't have it both ways. :popcorn:
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A sedeplenist has no basis for complaining about that. A Pope can grant indulgences, and if you believe with certainty of faith that Francis is a Pope, these indulgences are valid and there is nothing wrong in promoting them.
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I'm suggesting the blatant failure of two different religious "duties of state":
1. The Pope's duty of state to protect the deposit of Faith and not destroy it.
2. The SSPX's clerical duty of state, to publicly resist a pope in error.
It's politically convenient for the SSPX to "cherry pick" items of papal authority, that allow them to endorse the pope, while compromising with him on graver dogmatic issues, and ignoring Francis's insults to the Mother of God.
(http://www.tfp.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/weeping-fatima-statue.jpg)
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So, what say ye TKGS:
Defend the SSPX's spin for their "state of grace" and the destroyer pope's "primacy" , or rally to fight for the Virgin Mary ?
You can't have it both ways. :popcorn:
All I can say is THANK GOD I hold the sedevacantist position. We don't have to deal with the absurdity of trying to listen to Francis and ignore him at the same time. That is like living a nightmare and is becoming more and more absurd as the days pass. It's no wonder SSPXers are literally pouring into sedevacantist chapels right now.
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I'm suggesting the blatant failure of two different religious "duties of state":
1. The Pope's duty of state to protect the deposit of Faith and not destroy it.
2. The SSPX's clerical duty of state, to publicly resist a pope in error.
It's politically convenient for the SSPX to "cherry pick" items of papal authority, that allow them to endorse the pope, while compromising with him on graver dogmatic issues, and ignoring Francis's insults to the Mother of God.
(http://www.tfp.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/weeping-fatima-statue.jpg)
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So, what say ye TKGS:
Defend the SSPX's spin for their "state of grace" and the destroyer pope's "primacy" , or rally to fight for the Virgin Mary ?
You can't have it both ways. :popcorn:
So are you saying that in order to make a point they should reject to opportunity for an entire remission of their temporal punishment in the next life?
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The SSPX does believe that Francis is a valid Pope so I would expect them to mention it.
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So, what say ye TKGS:
Defend the SSPX's spin for their "state of grace" and the destroyer pope's "primacy" , or rally to fight for the Virgin Mary ?
You can't have it both ways. :popcorn:
I'm saying that the SSPX is being totally consistent here. I am trying to understand how not publicizing an indulgence is a fight against the Virgin Mary.
Since I don't believe Bergoglio is the pope, I'm not going to listen to him anyway, but this really shouldn't be an issue. The SSPX certainly has some problems, but this isn't one of them.
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So are you saying that in order to make a point they should reject to opportunity for an entire remission of their temporal punishment in the next life?
Let me ask, what is your measuring stick for believing in a Francis statement?
He tells you God is not Catholic Yes or No ?
He tells you the Mother of God is lying Yes or No ?
He tells you JPII is a canonized Saint Yes or No ?
He tells you you can get a plenary indulgence (if you believe Fatima his way) otherwise your'e a dysfunctional Catholic Yes or No
And then the SSPX, "cult of the neo-trads" tells you:
"See, an indulgence!" "He is the holy pope who, from his mercy, is giving us a special Prelature deal because of our holy grace of state"
So, how do you measure a Francis statement or an SSPX announcement, for that matter ? :facepalm:
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All I can say is THANK GOD I hold the sedevacantist position. We don't have to deal with the absurdity of trying to listen to Francis and ignore him at the same time. That is like living a nightmare and is becoming more and more absurd as the days pass. It's no wonder SSPXers are literally pouring into sedevacantist chapels right now.
Francis, the non canonically elected, de facto, pope, who occupies the seat, because of the magnitude of our sins, Our Lord chose to send us a "destroyer", and not a pastor.
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I would find it nauseating attending SSPX chapels each week and gradually seeing more and more mainstream features entering the vocabulary of compliant priests. It reminds me of what my parents had to endure just after V2 when the priests of that time were also delivering a series of unpleasant novelties. I wary Fatima being used as a tool of convenience.
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For myself, there are many, many ways to receive indulgences and I will choose those from valid popes. Very simple, just like saying the Rosary.
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For those that have followed the trail guided by the of The Remnant, Catholic Family News, and Fr. Gruner etc., the new guidance of the SSPX today will be on familiar grounds, for there is no difference between them. The way it works is to praise the crumbs thrown their way and give mild criticism of the obviously absurd and then forget about them forever with the next praise of the crumbs.
This indulgence is a crumb.
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Let me ask, what is your measuring stick for believing in a Francis statement?
He tells you God is not Catholic Yes or No ?
He tells you the Mother of God is lying Yes or No ?
He tells you JPII is a canonized Saint Yes or No ?
He tells you you can get a plenary indulgence (if you believe Fatima his way) otherwise your'e a dysfunctional Catholic Yes or No
And then the SSPX, "cult of the neo-trads" tells you:
"See, an indulgence!" "He is the holy pope who, from his mercy, is giving us a special Prelature deal because of our holy grace of state"
So, how do you measure a Francis statement or an SSPX announcement, for that matter ? :facepalm:
My point of reference is that he is the Pope. Through him the Church is offering the opportunity to obtain a plenary indulgence. There is a soul in Purgatory who is hoping that somebody would take advantage of this opportunity for their benefit.
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My point of reference is that he is the Pope. Through him the Church is offering the opportunity to obtain a plenary indulgence. There is a soul in Purgatory who is hoping that somebody would take advantage of this opportunity for their benefit.
Okay.. okay Poche, you win :facepalm:
But if you follow the Indulgence prescription to make a pilgrimage to the Fatima Shrine, I advise the following:
1. Avoid the masonic Fatima shrine building:
(http://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/htimages2/A014_FatimaShrine.jpg)
2. Avoid visiting to the fake Sr. Lucy's grave. It's a dishonor to the real Sr. Lucia.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQT3Zmki7EjHH2cZnQIDv5uOyGOV9atuksOHjZQel-eRYUp2jBt)
3. Make sure the women-folk in your group wear veils in the original Shrine the Hindus desecrated in 2003.
(http://www.fatima.org/news/newsviews/images/SIC-19.jpe)
And please bring me back a "Pope Francis doll" ... if you can find one in the gift shops for under 25 bucks.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT2lA4yvZfid-cJriu0Xb7-mJNzYCzGtdFFu8397a5jdWNeJBTf)
I'll give you my address and pay you back.
Thank you.
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Okay.. okay Poche, you win :facepalm:
But if you follow the Indulgence prescription to make a pilgrimage to the Fatima Shrine, I advise the following:
1. Avoid the masonic Fatima shrine building:
(http://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/htimages2/A014_FatimaShrine.jpg)
2. Avoid visiting to the fake Sr. Lucy's grave. It's a dishonor to the real Sr. Lucia.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQT3Zmki7EjHH2cZnQIDv5uOyGOV9atuksOHjZQel-eRYUp2jBt)
3. Make sure the women-folk in your group wear veils in the original Shrine the Hindus desecrated in 2003.
(http://www.fatima.org/news/newsviews/images/SIC-19.jpe)
And please bring me back a "Pope Francis doll" ... if you can find one in the gift shops for under 25 bucks.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT2lA4yvZfid-cJriu0Xb7-mJNzYCzGtdFFu8397a5jdWNeJBTf)
I'll give you my address and pay you back.
Thank you.
this is the only pope image I will be interested in;
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_oX-myXYAAn53j.jpg:large)
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Nice Baby Poche!
Look at those cute, fat little fingers.
May Our Lady assist him to becomes a priest one day.
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This pope (via www.quickmeme.com) was featured on FB. Could be the true pope don't you think?
(https://dl-mail.ymail.com/ws/download/mailboxes/@.id==VjJ-d9pgfkBq0FvgaxfnyJ9ded_M5eUgZEtlL2b1POJHJCfcNfR2zZ9PYpH9F8J4Uw8h1f1kdJJwmzQ8MoXw92MPuw/messages/@.id==ACXFCmoAABC_WSTragGaKByxqUY/content/parts/@.id==2/raw?appid=YahooMailNeo&ymreqid=bde79f5c-625c-af4a-0174-290012010000&token=zitEzqOML3j84e6ealFTT5U7-km5qEQF52lp7AcCuBbOGMLkVZeuIRDN6_N3TpwRuvNEoG723brVK2hJRMP99-PmY58k2vgCF6h54Oypu6GwIy8hliVEexbDIzn6kdo-)
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This pope (via www.quickmeme.com) was featured on FB. Could be the true pope don't you think?
(https://dl-mail.ymail.com/ws/download/mailboxes/@.id==VjJ-d9pgfkBq0FvgaxfnyJ9ded_M5eUgZEtlL2b1POJHJCfcNfR2zZ9PYpH9F8J4Uw8h1f1kdJJwmzQ8MoXw92MPuw/messages/@.id==ACXFCmoAABC_WSTragGaKByxqUY/content/parts/@.id==2/raw?appid=YahooMailNeo&ymreqid=bde79f5c-625c-af4a-0174-290012010000&token=zitEzqOML3j84e6ealFTT5U7-km5qEQF52lp7AcCuBbOGMLkVZeuIRDN6_N3TpwRuvNEoG723brVK2hJRMP99-PmY58k2vgCF6h54Oypu6GwIy8hliVEexbDIzn6kdo-)
Could find the "pope" one, but got a good laugh out of the other memes :jester:
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The baby pope is keeping his fingers closed properly cause his mom lifted him up after he consecrated the host ;D ;D ;D :incense:
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Let's take the child pope, take him to a seminary and then trained and ordained priest and then bishop, name it pope !!!! ;D :P :D
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This pope (via www.quickmeme.com) was featured on FB. Could be the true pope don't you think?
(https://dl-mail.ymail.com/ws/download/mailboxes/@.id==VjJ-d9pgfkBq0FvgaxfnyJ9ded_M5eUgZEtlL2b1POJHJCfcNfR2zZ9PYpH9F8J4Uw8h1f1kdJJwmzQ8MoXw92MPuw/messages/@.id==ACXFCmoAABC_WSTragGaKByxqUY/content/parts/@.id==2/raw?appid=YahooMailNeo&ymreqid=bde79f5c-625c-af4a-0174-290012010000&token=zitEzqOML3j84e6ealFTT5U7-km5qEQF52lp7AcCuBbOGMLkVZeuIRDN6_N3TpwRuvNEoG723brVK2hJRMP99-PmY58k2vgCF6h54Oypu6GwIy8hliVEexbDIzn6kdo-)
give him some time.
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If you want my $.02 Benedict is the Pope. How can a pope resign? Imagine daddy Darth coming in one day and saying "Luke, I am no longer your father..."
They used the example of the "resignation" of St Celeste. Well, if you read the fine print, that pope did not resign, but the then-electorate said he resigned and locked him in a tower...
That being said, the situation in the Vatican is so loony-toony at this point it is not even worth discussing. It is like asking which is better: being shot in the head or run down by a fully loaded pickup...
Only an act of God is going to sort out this mess...
And that is both the good and the bad news.
PS I totally agree that the real Sr Lucia probably died about 1960, because the REAL Sr Lucia would have never set foot in a Novus Ordo chapel...
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...Only an act of God is going to sort out this mess...
And that is both the good and the bad news.
PS I totally agree that the real Sr Lucia probably died about 1960, because the REAL Sr Lucia would have never set foot in a Novus Ordo chapel...
I certainly agree with this portion of your post. Although I am no longer part of the NO and haven't been for quite a long time, I can still remember what it was like. I thought it was bad then, but never dreamed it could become what it is today.
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Let's not forget those faithful who still gather Francis's 2013 "Twitter" indulgences.
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In its latest attempt to keep up with the times the Vatican has married one of its oldest traditions to the world of social media by offering "indulgences" to followers of Pope Francis' tweets.
Francis Tweets (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/16/vatican-indulgences-pope-francis-tweets)
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:facepalm: :fryingpan:
Do they consider it an act of penance or of mortification to read his inane musings?
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Let's not forget those faithful who still gather Francis's 2013 "Twitter" indulgences.
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In its latest attempt to keep up with the times the Vatican has married one of its oldest traditions to the world of social media by offering "indulgences" to followers of Pope Francis' tweets.
Francis Tweets (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/16/vatican-indulgences-pope-francis-tweets)
During the time of St Teresa of Avila there died a certain nun of ordinary sanctity. St. Teresa was surprised to see this sister go straight to Heaven without so much Purgatory. god revealed to her that this sister was very careful in getting as many indulgences as she could so that her time in Purgatory was almost nil.
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So Poche, just trying to gauge where you're coming from?
You support Consiliar Church indulgences, correct?
Do you condone the butchered Consiliar sacraments too?
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So Poche, just trying to gauge where you're coming from?
You support Consiliar Church indulgences, correct?
Do you condone the butchered Consiliar sacraments too?
I support anything that will shorten my time in Purgatory if I find myself there after I die.