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Offline Incredulous

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SSPX promoting Francis indulgences
« on: May 23, 2017, 07:22:22 PM »
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    • Never mind that Francis, hides the 3rd Secret and denies Our Lady of Fatima's warning about an imminent chastisement of the human race.



    Last Sunday, with a straight face, Menzingen gave out "talking points" to their priests, 
    promoting Francis's Plenary Indulgence for the 100th anniversary of Fatima.




    The xSPX covers for and condones a "destroyer pope" who publicly disavows Our God is Catholic.


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    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: SSPX promoting Francis indulgences
    « Reply #1 on: May 23, 2017, 07:24:09 PM »
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    • Are you suggesting that the pope doesn't have the authority to grant indulgences?
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    Re: SSPX promoting Francis indulgences
    « Reply #2 on: May 23, 2017, 09:01:48 PM »
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    • Quote from: TKGS on May 23, 2017, 07:24:09 PM
    Are you suggesting that the pope doesn't have the authority to grant indulgences?


    I'm suggesting the blatant failure of two different religious "duties of state":

    1. The Pope's duty of state to protect the deposit of Faith and not destroy it.

    2. The SSPX's clerical duty of state, to publicly resist a pope in error.

    It's politically convenient for the SSPX to "cherry pick" items of papal authority, that allow them to endorse the pope, while compromising with him on graver dogmatic issues, and ignoring Francis's insults to the Mother of God.




    So, what say ye TKGS:

    Defend the SSPX's spin for their "state of grace" and the destroyer pope's "primacy" , or rally to fight for the Virgin Mary ?  

    You can't have it both ways.    :popcorn:



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    Re: SSPX promoting Francis indulgences
    « Reply #3 on: May 23, 2017, 10:03:02 PM »
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    • A sedeplenist has no basis for complaining about that. A Pope can grant indulgences, and if you believe with certainty of faith that Francis is a Pope, these indulgences are valid and there is nothing wrong in promoting them.
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    Re: SSPX promoting Francis indulgences
    « Reply #4 on: May 23, 2017, 10:39:50 PM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on May 23, 2017, 09:01:48 PM

    I'm suggesting the blatant failure of two different religious "duties of state":

    1. The Pope's duty of state to protect the deposit of Faith and not destroy it.

    2. The SSPX's clerical duty of state, to publicly resist a pope in error.

    It's politically convenient for the SSPX to "cherry pick" items of papal authority, that allow them to endorse the pope, while compromising with him on graver dogmatic issues, and ignoring Francis's insults to the Mother of God.




    So, what say ye TKGS:

    Defend the SSPX's spin for their "state of grace" and the destroyer pope's "primacy" , or rally to fight for the Virgin Mary ?  

    You can't have it both ways.    :popcorn:
     
    All I can say is THANK GOD I hold the sedevacantist position. We don't have to deal with the absurdity of trying to listen to Francis and ignore him at the same time. That is like living a nightmare and is becoming more and more absurd as the days pass. It's no wonder SSPXers are literally pouring into sedevacantist chapels right now.
     
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    Re: SSPX promoting Francis indulgences
    « Reply #5 on: May 24, 2017, 12:17:46 AM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on May 23, 2017, 09:01:48 PM

    I'm suggesting the blatant failure of two different religious "duties of state":

    1. The Pope's duty of state to protect the deposit of Faith and not destroy it.

    2. The SSPX's clerical duty of state, to publicly resist a pope in error.

    It's politically convenient for the SSPX to "cherry pick" items of papal authority, that allow them to endorse the pope, while compromising with him on graver dogmatic issues, and ignoring Francis's insults to the Mother of God.




    So, what say ye TKGS:

    Defend the SSPX's spin for their "state of grace" and the destroyer pope's "primacy" , or rally to fight for the Virgin Mary ?  

    You can't have it both ways.    :popcorn:
    So are you saying that in order to make a point they should reject to opportunity for an entire remission of their temporal punishment in the next life?  
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    Re: SSPX promoting Francis indulgences
    « Reply #6 on: May 24, 2017, 01:13:48 AM »
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    • The SSPX does believe that Francis is a valid Pope so I would expect them to mention it.
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    Re: SSPX promoting Francis indulgences
    « Reply #7 on: May 24, 2017, 05:43:41 AM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on May 23, 2017, 09:01:48 PM

    So, what say ye TKGS:

    Defend the SSPX's spin for their "state of grace" and the destroyer pope's "primacy" , or rally to fight for the Virgin Mary ?  

    You can't have it both ways.    :popcorn:
    I'm saying that the SSPX is being totally consistent here.  I am trying to understand how not publicizing an indulgence is a fight against the Virgin Mary.
    Since I don't believe Bergoglio is the pope, I'm not going to listen to him anyway, but this really shouldn't be an issue.  The SSPX certainly has some problems, but this isn't one of them.
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    Re: SSPX promoting Francis indulgences
    « Reply #8 on: May 24, 2017, 09:30:39 AM »
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    • Quote from: poche on May 24, 2017, 12:17:46 AM
    So are you saying that in order to make a point they should reject to opportunity for an entire remission of their temporal punishment in the next life?  

    Let me ask, what is your measuring stick for believing in a Francis statement?

    He tells you God is not Catholic  Yes or No ?

    He tells you the Mother of God is lying Yes or No ?

    He tells you JPII is a canonized Saint  Yes or No ?

    He tells you you can get a plenary indulgence (if you believe Fatima his way) otherwise your'e a dysfunctional Catholic Yes or No

    And then the SSPX, "cult of the neo-trads" tells you:  

    "See, an indulgence!"  "He is the holy pope who, from his mercy, is giving us a special Prelature deal because of our holy grace of state"

    So, how do you measure a Francis statement or an SSPX announcement, for that matter ?    :facepalm:
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    Re: SSPX promoting Francis indulgences
    « Reply #9 on: May 24, 2017, 09:37:18 AM »
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    • Quote from: saintbosco13 on May 23, 2017, 10:39:50 PM

    All I can say is THANK GOD I hold the sedevacantist position. We don't have to deal with the absurdity of trying to listen to Francis and ignore him at the same time. That is like living a nightmare and is becoming more and more absurd as the days pass. It's no wonder SSPXers are literally pouring into sedevacantist chapels right now.
     

    Francis, the non canonically elected, de facto, pope, who occupies the seat, because of the magnitude of our sins,                                                                   Our Lord chose to send us a "destroyer", and not a pastor.
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    Re: SSPX promoting Francis indulgences
    « Reply #10 on: May 24, 2017, 04:56:43 PM »
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    • I would find it nauseating attending SSPX chapels each week and gradually seeing more and more mainstream features entering the vocabulary of compliant priests. It reminds me of what my parents had to endure just after V2 when the priests of that time were also delivering a series of unpleasant novelties. I wary Fatima being used as a tool of convenience.
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    Re: SSPX promoting Francis indulgences
    « Reply #11 on: May 24, 2017, 06:59:20 PM »
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    • For myself, there are many, many ways to receive indulgences and I will choose those from valid popes. Very simple, just like saying the Rosary.
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    Re: SSPX promoting Francis indulgences
    « Reply #12 on: May 25, 2017, 12:30:30 AM »
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    • For those that have followed the trail guided by the of The Remnant, Catholic Family News, and Fr. Gruner etc., the new guidance of the SSPX today will be on familiar grounds, for there is no difference between them. The way it works is to praise the crumbs thrown their way and give mild criticism of the obviously absurd and then forget about them forever with the next praise of the crumbs. 

    This indulgence is a crumb.
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    Re: SSPX promoting Francis indulgences
    « Reply #13 on: May 25, 2017, 02:27:30 AM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on May 24, 2017, 09:30:39 AM
    Let me ask, what is your measuring stick for believing in a Francis statement?

    He tells you God is not Catholic  Yes or No ?

    He tells you the Mother of God is lying Yes or No ?

    He tells you JPII is a canonized Saint  Yes or No ?

    He tells you you can get a plenary indulgence (if you believe Fatima his way) otherwise your'e a dysfunctional Catholic Yes or No

    And then the SSPX, "cult of the neo-trads" tells you:  

    "See, an indulgence!"  "He is the holy pope who, from his mercy, is giving us a special Prelature deal because of our holy grace of state"

    So, how do you measure a Francis statement or an SSPX announcement, for that matter ?    :facepalm:
    My point of reference is that he is the Pope. Through him the Church is offering the opportunity to obtain a plenary indulgence. There is a soul in Purgatory who is hoping that somebody would take advantage of this opportunity for their benefit.    
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    Re: SSPX promoting Francis indulgences
    « Reply #14 on: May 25, 2017, 03:17:04 AM »
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    • Quote from: poche on May 25, 2017, 02:27:30 AM
    My point of reference is that he is the Pope. Through him the Church is offering the opportunity to obtain a plenary indulgence. There is a soul in Purgatory who is hoping that somebody would take advantage of this opportunity for their benefit.    

    Okay.. okay Poche, you win  :facepalm:


    But if you follow the Indulgence prescription to make a pilgrimage to the Fatima Shrine, I advise the following:

    1. Avoid the masonic Fatima shrine building:

    2. Avoid visiting to the fake Sr. Lucy's grave.  It's a dishonor to the real Sr. Lucia.


    3. Make sure the women-folk in your group wear veils in the original Shrine the Hindus desecrated in 2003.


    And please bring me back a "Pope Francis doll" ... if you can find one in the gift shops for under 25 bucks.



    I'll give you my address and pay you back.

    Thank you.
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