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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: Last Tradhican on November 04, 2019, 11:11:33 AM
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St. John Chrysostom, Patriarch of Constantinople, Doctor of the Church:
I do not speak rashly, but as I feel and think., I do not think that many priests are saved but that those that perish are far more numerous. The reason is that the office requires a great soul. For there are many things to make a priest swerve from rectitude, and he requires great vigilance on every side. Do you not perceive how many qualities a bishop must have that he may be apt to teach; patient towards the wicked, firm and faithful in teaching the Word? How many difficulties herein. Moreover the loss of others is imputed to him. I need say no more. If but one dies without baptism, does it not entirely endanger his salvation? For the loss of one soul is so great an evil as no man can understand. If the salvation of one soul is of such importance that, for its sake, the Son of God became man and suffered so much, think of the penalty the loss of one soul will entail. (Third Homily, Acts of the Apostles)
Question from an SSPX priest - Do you think you are more holy than I a priest?
Answer from Last Tradhican (LT) - No sir, I do not think that I am holy at all.
Q SSPX Priest - What do you think of the priesthood?
A LT - I think of the priesthood today as I think of any profession: firemen, policemen, doctors, it is just a profession, a job, a place to make a living.
Q SSPX Priest - Do you think the same of the SSPX priests?
A LT - Yes I do, I have seen no difference, other than they work with the old mass and sacraments. They are just like the priest of say 1967, the year before the Novus Ordo, when all priests worked with the old mass and sacraments. All of the priests that went along with the Novus Ordo revolution, had been working with the old mass and sacraments.
Q SSPX Priest - Why do you think it is just a job for SSPX priests?
A LT - I think that it is just a job to them because of the way they behave, by their deeds it looks like it is just a job.
Q SSPX Priest - What is a priest who acts as if it were not "just a job" supposed to act for you to see them as real priests?
A LT - They should truly imbibe in the reality that St. John Chrysostom describes, that in going into the priesthood, they are jumping in front of a bullet for others, they are like soldiers going into a battle as canon fodder to save others, for the greater good. They should imbibe the fact that by choosing to go into the priesthood, they are infinitely imperiling their eternal salvation. Today scarcely any man goes into the priesthood with that actual, true mindset of St. John Chrysostom. Today, the SSPX priests are there for the status, prestige, job security and comforts that the priesthood brings, I call them comfort priests.
Q SSPX Priest - Do you have anything to add?
A LT - Yes, I know there are some priests in the SSPX that might have thought like St. John Chrysostom when they entered the seminary, but they have forgotten that since they have gone through the seminary and out into the world to live under the charge of comfort priests. I ask and pray for all of those priests to return to work as St. John Chrysostom priests rather than comfort priests.
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St. John Chrysostom, Patriarch of Constantinople, Doctor of the Church:
"I do not think that many priests are saved" (Third Homily, Acts of the Apostles)
If an SSPX priest compares himself to a Novus Ordo priest or even the pope, he will think he is a saint, however, St. John Chrysostom is there warning them to re-consider their mindset, for he says that not many priests are saved, in other words most priests are damned. The reason is because by becoming priests they take on a great responsibility that the average Catholic does not have.
They who are enlightened to walk in the way of perfection, and through lukewarmness wish to tread the ordinary paths, shall be abandoned. (Bl. Angela of Foligno)
They who are to be saved as Saints, and wish to be saved as imperfect souls, shall not be saved. (Pope St. Gregory the Great)
St. Teresa.... had she not risen from the state of lukewarmness in which she lived, she would in the end have lost the grace of God and been damned. ( St. Alphonsus Liguori)
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St. John Chrysostom, Patriarch of Constantinople, Doctor of the Church:
I do not speak rashly, but as I feel and think., I do not think that many priests are saved but that those that perish are far more numerous. The reason is that the office requires a great soul.
It has also been said that "a priest who is not holy is a monster in the order of grace" (Rt. Rev. Francis Mary Paul Liberman) as quoted in his published with canonical approval Spiritual Letters. Liberman (1802-1852) was a Jєωιѕн Convert (baptized on 12-24-1826). He founded the Congregation of the Immaculate Heart of Mary and was declared Venerable by Pope Pius IX in 1876. (See http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09223a.htm.) (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09223a.htm)
in the much praiseworthy -- the author drew on the most reliable of all historical sources , viz., the Acts of the Process of Canonization -- biography of St. John Vianney by Abbe Trochu we find this passage: "One day a parish priest came to him [St. John Vianney] lamenting the indifference of his people and the fruitlessness of his labours. M. Vianney replied in words that may sound harsh, but he to who they were addressed was, no doubt, strong enough to bear them: 'You have preached, you have prayed; but have you fasted? Have you taken the discipline? Have you slept on the bare floor? So long as you have done none of these things you have no right to complain.'"
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…I think of the priesthood today as I think of any profession: firemen, policemen, doctors, it is just a profession, a job, a place to make a living.…
Have you ever tried to get an SSPX priest "after hours" for a dying soul?
At least you can get a fireman, cop, or doctor "after hours."
It may not still be "policy," but at one time our parish announced that the priests were only available for dying parishioners. What kind of priest takes such a stance?
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biography of St. John Vianney by Abbe Trochu we find this passage: "One day a parish priest came to him [St. John Vianney] lamenting the indifference of his people and the fruitlessness of his labours. M. Vianney replied in words that may sound harsh, but he to who they were addressed was, no doubt, strong enough to bear them: 'You have preached, you have prayed; but have you fasted? Have you taken the discipline? Have you slept on the bare floor? So long as you have done none of these things you have no right to complain.'"
By their deeds, it does not appear that any SSPX priest today even "laments the indifference of his people and the fruitlessness of his labours"?
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Have you ever tried to get an SSPX priest "after hours" for a dying soul?
At least you can get a fireman, cop, or doctor "after hours."
It may not still be "policy," but at one time our parish announced that the priests were only available for dying parishioners. What kind of priest takes such a stance?
Q - What kind of priest takes such a stance?
A- All the Novus Ordo priests.
The SSPX compares itself to the Novus Ordo and thus they consider themselves saints. In a country of blind men the one eyed man is a king. In a Novus Ordo world, a priest that is only available for the dying is holy. That is the problem, the SSPX priests compare themselves to blind priests. They should compare themselves to real priests like St. John Vianney and Padre Pio.
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St. John Chrysostom, Patriarch of Constantinople, Doctor of the Church:
I do not speak rashly, but as I feel and think., I do not think that many priests are saved but that those that perish are far more numerous. The reason is that the office requires a great soul. For there are many things to make a priest swerve from rectitude, and he requires great vigilance on every side. Do you not perceive how many qualities a bishop must have that he may be apt to teach; patient towards the wicked, firm and faithful in teaching the Word? How many difficulties herein. Moreover the loss of others is imputed to him. I need say no more. If but one dies without baptism, does it not entirely endanger his salvation? For the loss of one soul is so great an evil as no man can understand. If the salvation of one soul is of such importance that, for its sake, the Son of God became man and suffered so much, think of the penalty the loss of one soul will entail. (Third Homily, Acts of the Apostles)
With annulments, sodomite clergy, liberalism, modernism, progressivism.... will any Novus Ordo bishop be saved? Comparing our times with the times of St. John Chrysostom, I have to think that not a one was/will be saved, including all the VatII popes.
Any trad priest that compares himself to even the Vatican II popes will come out thinking he is a saint.
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To make it clearer:
With annulments, sodomite clergy, liberalism, modernism, progressivism.... will any Novus Ordo bishop be saved? Comparing our times with the times of St. John Chrysostom, I have to think that not a one Vatican II bishop was/will be saved, including all the VatII popes.
Any trad priest that compares himself to even the Vatican II popes will come out thinking he is a saint.
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The OP sounds like something that Attila Guimaraes would write.
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The OP sounds like something that Attila Guimaraes would write.
Thank you for the complement.
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Thank you for the complement.
Surely you have to concede, then, that you are also against Archbishop Lefebvre, as Guimaraes always has been. He has always been against the SSPX, even when the Archbishop was alive.
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Surely you have to concede, then, that you are also against Archbishop Lefebvre, as Guimaraes always has been. He has always been against the SSPX, even when the Archbishop was alive.
If I was against Abp. L, I would not have created this thread, for I would not give a hoot what happens to the SSPX. You are with the Resistance, so what exactly do you disagree with that has been posted? Please stay on the subject, this has nothing to do with Atila G.
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I do not expect as much from our priests. It would be nice if they would sleep on the bare ground and scourge themselves. I expect them to not speak heresy, not fall into onanism, not be too fat, and make sick calls. Of the SSPX priests I have known I have not heard obvious heresy, all but one that I knew about made sick calls reliably, and most are not fat. I imagine in all ages of the Church most priests were damned, except perhaps for the beginning before Christianity was legal in the empire when everyone was holy because of the persecutions and all the lukewarm were scared away. After reading the biography of the Cure of Ars I thought wouldn't it be nice if all priests were like that and I tried to hold all priests to that standard in my mind. But who could bear such a comparison? Saints are remarkable works of grace. They are not common. So now my standards are lower.
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So now my standards are lower.
The standards of the OP are for priests, this thread has nothing to do with my standards, what I need from priests.
St. Augustine said to take action as if everything depended on you, but to pray very much because everything depends on God. I take action with my family by living as if there were no priests to teach them. With that mindset today, anything good a priest supplies is gravy. The problem of the indifferent priests I describe is for other people and the countering example that they set before my family.
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If you want to be truly great, make sure you pick lofty role models to compare yourself with. Role models that you can scarcely hope to ever equal, much less surpass.
In singing, I compare myself to great tenors like John Gary who had a several octave range and extraordinary lung capacity. I may never get there, but it will keep me striving upwards.
In electronics or software development, if I compared myself to the average person I would feel like a genius mad scientist. How about I compare myself to experts with 30 years experience instead? It's much better for humility, and keeps you improving.
In figuring out "how good I am", I have to compare myself to the saints. That will also keep me moving upward, and keep my pride in check.
It's not as fun, or satisfying for your pride (because you never get there), but it's better for you in every way.
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If you want to be truly great, make sure you pick lofty role models to compare yourself with. Role models that you can scarcely hope to ever equal, much less surpass.
In singing, I compare myself to great tenors like John Gary who had a several octave range and extraordinary lung capacity. I may never get there, but it will keep me striving upwards.
In electronics or software development, if I compared myself to the average person I would feel like a genius mad scientist. How about I compare myself to experts with 30 years experience instead? It's much better for humility, and keeps you improving.
In figuring out "how good I am", I have to compare myself to the saints. That will also keep me moving upward, and keep my pride in check.
It's not as fun, or satisfying for your pride (because you never get there), but it's better for you in every way.
Exactly!
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St. John Eudes says good Priests are a priceless grace, and a sign of God's Mercy. We all should pray for our Priests to be such, and for God to send us such good Shepherds or Pastors for His flock. Similarly, bad Priests are a terrible chastisement coming from His Justice,
“The most evident mark of God’s anger and the most terrible castigation He can inflict upon the world are manifested when He permits His people to fall into the hands of clerics who are priests more in name than in deed, priests who practice the cruelty of ravening wolves rather than the charity and affection of devoted shepherds. Instead of nourishing those committed to their care, they rend and devour them brutally. Instead of leading their people to God, they drag Christian souls into hell in their train. Instead of being the salt of the earth and the light of the world, they are its innocuous poison and its murky darkness. …
When God permits such things, it is a very positive proof that He is thoroughly angry with His people, and is visiting His most dreadful anger upon them. That is why He cries unceasingly to Christians, ‘Return, O ye revolting children…And I will give you pastors according to My own Heart’ (Jer. 3:14-15). Thus, irregularities in the lives of priests [and surely popes, as well] constitute a scourge visited upon the people in consequence of sin.” (Chapter 11 – Qualities of a Holy Priest)
“On the other hand, the greatest effect of God’s mercy, the most precious grace He bestows upon mankind, is to send worthy priests, men after His own Heart, seeking only His glory and the salvation of souls. The greatest blessing that God bestows upon a church, the most signal manifestation of divine grace, is to have a saintly shepherd, be he bishop or priest. This is indeed the grace of graces and the most priceless of all gifts for it includes within itself every other blessing and grace. What is a priest after God’s Heart? He is an inestimable treasure containing an immensity of good things.” (Ibid)
From: https://catholicfamilynews.com/blog/2019/03/14/six-long-years-of-francis-outlasting-the-long-winter-of-this-pontificate/ (https://catholicfamilynews.com/blog/2019/03/14/six-long-years-of-francis-outlasting-the-long-winter-of-this-pontificate/)
St. Alphonsus says similar things in "Duties and Dignity of a Priest". A Priest's main responsibility is to save the souls entrusted to him.