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Offline Last Tradhican

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SSPX Priests That Go to Psychiatrist
« on: October 24, 2019, 09:45:46 AM »
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    • From the CI thread  The Danger Lurking Online: Fr. Sean Kilcawley (Theology of the Body expert)  
    https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/the-danger-lurking-online-fr-sean-kilcawley-(theology-of-the-body-expert)/msg672634/?topicseen#msg672634


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    I have heard that seminarians in Virginia are now being asked to undergo psychological evaluation before ordination, similar to what is done in modernist seminaries. If true, then the SSPX really is losing the spirit of Archbishop Lefebvre; for the introduction of psychology into the Catholic religion, as per the Modernist example, is certainly indicative of a decline in supernatural faith.
    That's seminarians they are talking about, but how many SSPX priests go to psychiatrists? Likely ALL of the priests that came up with the idea to send the seminarians in for psychological evaluation are themselves going to psychiatrists. I know my SSPX prior goes to a psychiatrist, but he's lost the faith and does not know it, but how many more those SSPX priests that are pushing the idea to send the seminarians to psychiatrists are themselves in the same boat?  I think Wegner and Leroux are likely going to psychiatrists themselves.
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    Re: SSPX Priests That Go to Psychiatrist
    « Reply #1 on: October 24, 2019, 09:58:18 AM »
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    • My guess is that this is part of the “reconciliation” process:

    If you want to enter the conciliar church, you need to abide by conciliar policies and processes (one of which is for seminarians to go to the shrink, to make sure you aren’t too “rigid”).
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    Re: SSPX Priests That Go to Psychiatrist
    « Reply #2 on: October 24, 2019, 10:04:58 AM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on October 24, 2019, 09:58:18 AM
    My guess is that this is part of the “reconciliation” process:

    If you want to enter the conciliar church, you need to abide by conciliar policies and processes (one of which is for seminarians to go to the shrink, to make sure you aren’t too “rigid”).
    True, however, only priests who go to a psychiatrists themselves would even consider such a policy of submitting seminarians to psychological evaluation by a psychiatrist. How many SSPX priests are already going to psychiatrists? I know that the resistance priests were being asked to go to psychiatrists when they were thinking of leaving, so how many priests in the SSPX are going to psychiatrists?  Likely all of the weak ones with no self confidence and that is a large number, so it is no wonder that none of them are complaining about the new policy of sending the seminarians for psychological evaluation by a psychiatrist. 
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    Re: SSPX Priests That Go to Psychiatrist
    « Reply #3 on: October 24, 2019, 10:11:37 AM »
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    • Psychiatrists are the priests of the secular world, if you take Catholicism LIVED out of the picture, as the world has done, then the only place you can go is to a psychiatrist when you have self doubts or problems coping with the repercussions of living a worldly life. No Catholic that LIVES the faith would ever even consider going to  psychiatrist for answers. All of the people I have known who went to psychiatrist were much further wounded than they were when they went in. Add to that that today psychiatrists are mostly just pill peddlers.
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    Re: SSPX Priests That Go to Psychiatrist
    « Reply #4 on: October 24, 2019, 11:55:03 AM »
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    • Agree, LastTrad.  Such folk are the “secular priests” of the day.  However, being that the industry is joo-created, the benefit of the individual is never the main concern.  How many psychiatrists advise pills, immoral “experimentation”, divorce (ie a “fresh start” to your “love life”) and other such debauchery?  Total quackery.  And they get paid for it!
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    Agree, Sean.  Rigidity/Logical/Masculine - such qualities are anti-modernist and not what new-rome wants in “priests” nowadays.  This is surely a weeding-out process.  Let’s not forget that priests who opposed V2 and the new mass in the 60s were often sent to “therapy” to try to change their minds.  Just the precursor to “indoctrination camps” (ie torture camps) like they have in communist countries.  
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    Re: SSPX Priests That Go to Psychiatrist
    « Reply #5 on: October 24, 2019, 05:51:33 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on October 24, 2019, 11:55:03 AM
    Agree, LastTrad.  Such folk are the “secular priests” of the day.  However, being that the industry is joo-created, the benefit of the individual is never the main concern.  How many psychiatrists advise pills, immoral “experimentation”, divorce (ie a “fresh start” to your “love life”) and other such debauchery?  Total quackery.  And they get paid for it!
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    Agree, Sean.  Rigidity/Logical/Masculine - such qualities are anti-modernist and not what new-rome wants in “priests” nowadays.  This is surely a weeding-out process.  Let’s not forget that priests who opposed V2 and the new mass in the 60s were often sent to “therapy” to try to change their minds.  Just the precursor to “indoctrination camps” (ie torture camps) like they have in communist countries.  
    Priests that went to psychiatrists after Vatican II are the ones that chased away men from going to mass. Why would a man go for spiritual advice to a weakling that has to go a psychiatrists.
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    Re: SSPX Priests That Go to Psychiatrist
    « Reply #6 on: October 24, 2019, 07:13:36 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on October 24, 2019, 10:04:58 AM
    True, however, only priests who go to a psychiatrists themselves would even consider such a policy of submitting seminarians to psychological evaluation by a psychiatrist. How many SSPX priests are already going to psychiatrists? I know that the resistance priests were being asked to go to psychiatrists when they were thinking of leaving, so how many priests in the SSPX are going to psychiatrists?  Likely all of the weak ones with no self confidence and that is a large number, so it is no wonder that none of them are complaining about the new policy of sending the seminarians for psychological evaluation by a psychiatrist.




    Tradhican,

    What is this about resistance priests being sent to psychiatrists? When and where did that happen!?
     
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    Re: SSPX Priests That Go to Psychiatrist
    « Reply #7 on: October 24, 2019, 08:46:45 PM »
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    • Quote from: Shrewd Operator on October 24, 2019, 07:13:36 PM


    Tradhican,

    What is this about resistance priests being sent to psychiatrists? When and where did that happen!?
     
    Read what Tradhican wrote:
     I know that the resistance priests were being asked to go to psychiatrists when they were thinking of leaving, so how many priests in the SSPX are going to psychiatrists?

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    Re: SSPX Priests That Go to Psychiatrist
    « Reply #8 on: October 24, 2019, 10:46:27 PM »
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    • I know of two trad priests who with diagnosed mental disorders, who shared the same behavior.

    They aggressively promoted three Baptisms from the pulpit.

    It may be a personal opinion, but when you foist on the faithful from the Sanctuary, there's a price to pay for that.
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    Re: SSPX Priests That Go to Psychiatrist
    « Reply #9 on: October 25, 2019, 06:18:19 AM »
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    • Secularist psychiatry is absolute nonsense. It's psychiatrists who need to go for confession to Priests, receive the absolution of their sins, and also set right any erroneous ways of thinking. Modern Freudian psychobabble was designed by a hater of God. 
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    Re: SSPX Priests That Go to Psychiatrist
    « Reply #10 on: October 25, 2019, 08:05:45 AM »
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    • Quote from: XavierSem on October 25, 2019, 06:18:19 AM
    Secularist psychiatry is absolute nonsense. It's psychiatrists who need to go for confession to Priests, receive the absolution of their sins, and also set right any erroneous ways of thinking. Modern Freudian psychobabble was designed by a hater of God.

    Some of it is, but some isn't.  I think that very few modern psychiatrists are "Freudians" any more.  There is some very real room in the world for actual psychiatry ... when properly informed by the Catholic faith.  I know some very good Catholic psychologists and psychiatrists.  There are in fact people who suffer from various conditions (depression, anxiety, obsessive-compulsive disorders) which are due in no small part to various chemical imbalances ... and are not merely moral disorders.  Some of these conditions do in fact respond to certain medications.

    So I disagree with those who completely dismissive psychology and psychiatry as being of no value.  It CAN be, provided that it's informed and properly guided by Catholic faith.
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    Re: SSPX Priests That Go to Psychiatrist
    « Reply #11 on: October 25, 2019, 08:52:35 AM »
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    • Ahem,

    In what country, and what year were resistance priests Being Asked to go to psychiatrists?

    Who did this asking? Who was asked? Does this still occur?
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    Re: SSPX Priests That Go to Psychiatrist
    « Reply #12 on: October 25, 2019, 10:54:43 AM »
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    • Quote from: Shrewd Operator on October 25, 2019, 08:52:35 AM
    Ahem,

    In what country, and what year were resistance priests Being Asked to go to psychiatrists?

    Who did this asking? Who was asked? Does this still occur?
    In what country - the USA for one. That is where I am at and where I have known of it.

    What year were resistance priests Being Asked to go to psychiatrists - They were asked to go to psychiatrists since the resistance started and the practice continues today. All of the priests that ultimately leave the SSPX, first started with doubts and questions. If it continued, they were sent to psychatrists for "help" with their "problem". Ultimately they either left before going to the  psychiatrists or after they went or they stayed in the SSPX. 

    Who did this asking? - their superiors (it would have to be coming from Menzingen, then the District Superior, then the Prior of the priest)

    Who was asked? - from my limited locality, where I live, I know of like 4 priests that went through it here.

    Does this still occur? - Yes of course.

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    Re: SSPX Priests That Go to Psychiatrist
    « Reply #13 on: October 25, 2019, 12:06:21 PM »
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    • Quote from: XavierSem on October 25, 2019, 06:18:19 AM
    Secularist psychiatry is absolute nonsense. It's psychiatrists who need to go for confession to Priests, receive the absolution of their sins, and also set right any erroneous ways of thinking. Modern Freudian psychobabble was designed by a hater of God.
    If you become a seminarian with the SSPX, what will you do when asked to see the psychiatrists?
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    Re: SSPX Priests That Go to Psychiatrist
    « Reply #14 on: October 25, 2019, 02:33:13 PM »
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    • At the time of The Changes, priests who resisted them and especially who resisted saying the New Mass, were sent to psychiatrists.  It is an old method.  
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