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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: Matthew on November 08, 2016, 03:52:09 AM
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I just read this on Facebook:
SSPX lady voted for Hillary Father said vote your [conscience]. I was so sad to know who she voted for.
Vote your conscience? What a cop out. That sounds like wishy washy novus ordo talk to me! How about you, as a priest, HELP INFORM those consciences with the truth, eh?
Did the Cristero priests stay silent when Mexico was being taken over by godless Communists? Did they stay neutral during the whole crisis, telling the people to 'vote your conscience" or "do what you think is right"?
So the SSPX is more concerned about their tax status and staying on good terms with the diabolical State than doing their duty before God!
Voting for Hillary Clinton is a MORTAL SIN. PERIOD. She is TOO corrupt, TOO rabidly pro-abortion and a godless Communist to boot! You can't vote for that!
I don't care if you're Hispanic and/or you don't like Trump. That doesn't mean you can proactively vote FOR Lucifer.
My Resistance priest minced no words about Hillary when we had Mass here recently. And those of you in-the-know certainly know who that is.
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Our SSPX priest said that you can NOT vote for the "lesser of two evils" because evil is still evil. You must vote for the candidate who you believe will do the "Greatest Good". He than told us to consider honesty, credibility, pro-life issues...etc... Although he did not tell us who to vote for (would be illegal if he did), he certainly did lead you toward the "Trump Train".
A friend who goes to the local indult Mass said there were about 400 people at their Mass last Sunday. The priest made it very clear that one candidate was clearly anticatholic. This priest was also was leading parishioners toward the Republican candidate.
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Our SSPX priest said that you can NOT vote for the "lesser of two evils" because evil is still evil.
Correct. Glad to hear this.
You must vote for the candidate who you believe will do the "Greatest Good". He than told us to consider honesty, credibility, pro-life issues...etc...
False. This is only true if the candidate meets the criteria for double effect.
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Here's how I would handle it: "I cannot, by unjust secular law, tell you for whom you as a Catholic must vote. But I can tell you that it would be a mortal sin to vote for Hillary Clinton." I would then distribute a handout that rates the candidates based on Catholic principles.
Personally, I believe that voting for a pro-abortion candidate constitutes becoming a formal accomplice in abortion and falls under the excommunication for that crime.
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Doe anyone wonder if it will be the non-SSPX trads taken to the camps as the SSPX faithful will be happily giving Thier grain of incense to the Anti-pope, but the resistance and sede faithful to stay out of the camp will just have to compromise with the SSPX?
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Or will they just liquefy all trads?
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Our SSPX priest said that you can NOT vote for the "lesser of two evils" because evil is still evil.
Correct. Glad to hear this.
You must vote for the candidate who you believe will do the "Greatest Good". He than told us to consider honesty, credibility, pro-life issues...etc...
False. This is only true if the candidate meets the criteria for double effect.
So, for example, imagine if Trump were as pro-abortion as Hillary. That is to say, he wanted to push for no-restrictions, abortion on demand up to the 9th month (including partial birth abortion) in all 50 states.
Then we couldn't vote for him either -- "Wall" or no "Wall". We couldn't vote for him in the hopes of economic benefits, if he had a seriously evil anti-life agenda.
Despite the false priorities of at least half of the American population, the stupid economy is NOT the biggest issue. That's materialism and covetousness talking.
Seek FIRST the Kingdom of God, and THEN you'll get your material comforts, if it's God's will.
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Our SSPX priest said that you can NOT vote for the "lesser of two evils" because evil is still evil.
Correct. Glad to hear this.
You must vote for the candidate who you believe will do the "Greatest Good". He than told us to consider honesty, credibility, pro-life issues...etc...
False. This is only true if the candidate meets the criteria for double effect.
So, for example, imagine if Trump were as pro-abortion as Hillary. That is to say, he wanted to push for no-restrictions, abortion on demand up to the 9th month (including partial birth abortion) in all 50 states.
Then we couldn't vote for him either -- "Wall" or no "Wall". We couldn't vote for him in the hopes of economic benefits, if he had a seriously evil anti-life agenda.
Despite the false priorities of at least half of the American population, the stupid economy is NOT the biggest issue. That's materialism and covetousness talking.
Seek FIRST the Kingdom of God, and THEN you'll get your material comforts, if it's God's will.
Absolutely right. Principle of double effect only applies when the intended good effect outweighs the evil effect, and abortion clearly trumps (pun intended) economic issues. If I vote for the hypothetical pro-abortion Trump you described due to economic issues, with the unintended secondary effect of his being pro abortion, that fails the double effect test because the good effect must outweigh the bad effect, and good economy does NOT outweigh abortion.
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Doe anyone wonder if it will be the non-SSPX trads taken to the camps as the SSPX faithful will be happily giving Thier grain of incense to the Anti-pope, but the resistance and sede faithful to stay out of the camp will just have to compromise with the SSPX?
There are only a relatively few non-SSPX trads. But I bet there is much more room for people in the FEMA camps than that. I believe most trads will go to the camps. SSPX, resistance, sedevacantists, even indult and eastern rite. Also I bet many evangelicals and mormons will go also as well as many other conservatives. And I fear that once we are in the camps they will have one goal. They will try to get us to commit a mortal sin and God forbid, if they do get us to commit a mortal sin, they will kill us right away before we have a chance to repent so we will go to hell.
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Traditionalist women are a contradiction. I have known too many who opt for the single life and enthusiastically forge careers in the modern world. On Sundays they act prim and proper, are very devout and spiritual. Like Cherie Blair and her mantilla! Some of those that are married would claw your eyes out if you were to advocate anything that would 'hold back' their children in life.
One side of them would rejoice at seeing a woman beat a man at the polls while their other side feels a need for some vague religious experience. Of course, the mainstream church, courtesy of V2, allows them to do both. I dare say priests that sit on the sidelines will supply an enabling rationale,
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Far worse than abortion is United Nations Agenda 21. It is perhaps a sad reflection on the state of propaganda and the resulting ignorance in the general population, that few know what UN Agenda 21 is, and how it is worse than abortion. I am not here to educate. God gave people a brain so they can find water on their own.
That said, the only party that is against UN Agenda 21 is the Constitution Party. They are the only ones taking a stand against neo-Malthusianism (which dwarfs the abortion issue). View their platform here -- http://www.constitutionparty.com/our-principles/key-issues/#section4
IMO, anyone voting for anything other than the Constitution Party is voting pro-Lucifer. This includes Trump.
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Wouldn't Trump automatically be against Agenda 21?
He wouldn't give up ownership of anything!
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IMO, anyone voting for anything other than the Constitution Party is voting pro-Lucifer. This includes Trump.
I don't believe that. I used to like Constitution Party, but not ONE WORD about abortion in the entire page you linked to. They used to be pro life, but I'm not sure what they are anymore.
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In my opinion voting for Trump is just as bad for Hillary.
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IMO, anyone voting for anything other than the Constitution Party is voting pro-Lucifer. This includes Trump.
I don't believe that. I used to like Constitution Party, but not ONE WORD about abortion in the entire page you linked to. They used to be pro life, but I'm not sure what they are anymore.
That's like saying you didn't see one drop of water in the ocean that you were swimming in. UN Agenda 21 encompasses abortion, since it touches the larger issue of neo-Malthusianism. This is the control of fertility and mortality rates of mass populations, to control population volumes and the impact on privately-owned resources (generally owned by Freemasonic Luciferian Fondi central banking families).
Carefully controlling and tracking the results of intentional contaminants in air, food, water, and "medicine" are typical neo-Malthusian methods. Abortion, destruction of the family unit, pushing the gαy lifetsyle, etc. are also aspects of neo-Malthusianism.
Know your enemy, or perish at the hands of your enemy. Lucifer is your enemy, and he knows exactly what to say to your ears to make you complacent and comfortable.
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I just read this on Facebook:
SSPX lady voted for Hillary Father said vote your [conscience]. I was so sad to know who she voted for.
Vote your conscience? What a cop out. That sounds like wishy washy novus ordo talk to me! How about you, as a priest, HELP INFORM those consciences with the truth, eh?
Did the Cristero priests stay silent when Mexico was being taken over by godless Communists? Did they stay neutral during the whole crisis, telling the people to 'vote your conscience" or "do what you think is right"?
So the SSPX is more concerned about their tax status and staying on good terms with the diabolical State than doing their duty before God!
Voting for Hillary Clinton is a MORTAL SIN. PERIOD. She is TOO corrupt, TOO rabidly pro-abortion and a godless Communist to boot! You can't vote for that!
I don't care if you're Hispanic and/or you don't like Trump. That doesn't mean you can proactively vote FOR Lucifer.
My Resistance priest minced no words about Hillary when we had Mass here recently. And those of you in-the-know certainly know who that is.
I mentioned before that the SSPX's weakening stance towards not only the (((tribe))) but also Muslims was indication that they were fully on the side of the globalists. Not just for money, but also in agreement with their larger goals.
The ironic part for the Neo-SSPX is should Hillary win, their tax-exempt status will be in serious jeopardy (same with the Conciliar Church). Unless of course, they want to perform gαy open marriages and build a special bathroom for trans-whatevers in their chapels and schools.
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This is nonsense. The SSPX's stance (http://archives.sspx.org/miscellaneous/catholic_principles_for_voting.htm) on this issue has been clear for ages, and priests quote that, and will refer you to that link.
I am all for criticizing fairly when it is appropriate, but the accusations that get thrown around at the SSPX on this forum are, quite frankly, complete horse shit.
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Wake up Hispanics. You are pawns. You have been used as terrorists pass you over for automatic US citizenship. Cubans and Puerto Ricans are voting Trump.
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Sspx, silence and indifference are sins.
There has been more diosesan Latin Mass priests who have spoken out in public sermons and online against Voting for Hillary. We heard nothing from SSPX.
And yes. There are many "traditional" Catholic and novus ordo "Catholic" women voting for Hillary.
Then we have Pope Francis meeting with unrepenting Pro abortion Italian woman in Italy on US Election Day.
He should be excommunicated.
Our priest says that they are Atheists.
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In my opinion voting for Trump is just as bad for Hillary.
Sorry. I hit the wrong button. That's a thumb down to you.
Hillary is far worse then trump. She is evil vindictive woman who has betrayed God and Country.
She is a career politician who has broken all Ten Commandments to get where she is.
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There has been more diosesan Latin Mass priests who have spoken out in public sermons and online against Voting for Hillary. We heard nothing from SSPX.
That's simply untrue.
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Which sspx priests spoke? Unless they were blocked by social media.
Maybe Father Fahnestock or Father Kevin Robinson. ..
There was a youtube video from an Priest from Arizona speaking out.
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My parish priest, for one. Most speak from the pulpit, not on twitter, as they should.
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Our Pastor spoke out after Mass.
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All five sermons at St. Mary's, KS on Oct. 23 was about voting and we were told to vote for the Pro-Life candidates, and it would be a sin to vote for the pro-abortion candidate when you have a candidate that will uphold Catholic principles. (Father was referring to the parishioner that was running for state house of reps. against a liberal Democrat).
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Our SSPX priest said that you can NOT vote for the "lesser of two evils" because evil is still evil. You must vote for the candidate who you believe will do the "Greatest Good". He than told us to consider honesty, credibility, pro-life issues...etc... Although he did not tell us who to vote for (would be illegal if he did), he certainly did lead you toward the "Trump Train".
A friend who goes to the local indult Mass said there were about 400 people at their Mass last Sunday. The priest made it very clear that one candidate was clearly anticatholic. This priest was also was leading parishioners toward the Republican candidate.
Yes, you are right. In the largest congregation that the SSPX has, we were told from the pulpit to vote for Trump, without using his name, they made it clear as crystal that we would be guilty of mortal sin to vote for HRC. We had the same priest give the sermon at all of the Masses that Sunday. If a traditional Catholic doesn't know that one cannot support a candidate who champions Planned Parenthood, abortion and all of their heinous baby parts business, then they don't belong in the Catholic Church at all, any Catholic Church. It didn't take any kind of brains to figure this one out, it only took heart...and soul. Only a complete idiot would have voted for Clinton without mortal sin. And I mean a slobbering one!
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All five sermons at St. Mary's, KS on Oct. 23 was about voting and we were told to vote for the Pro-Life candidates, and it would be a sin to vote for the pro-abortion candidate when you have a candidate that will uphold Catholic principles. (Father was referring to the parishioner that was running for state house of reps. against a liberal Democrat).
Father said it was always a mortal sin to vote for a candidate who is a pro-abort and that is Catholic teaching. That holds when there are no candidates who are pro-life. We are a large family and we attend Mass at different times but heard the same sermon. The principal was made clear.
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My parish priest, for one. Most speak from the pulpit, not on twitter, as they should.
Right, no priest is bound to be on Twitter, Facebook, Youtube or any other "social media". The SSPX priests are very busy and that stuff is time consuming.
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Sspx, silence and indifference are sins.
There has been more diosesan Latin Mass priests who have spoken out in public sermons and online against Voting for Hillary. We heard nothing from SSPX.
And yes. There are many "traditional" Catholic and novus ordo "Catholic" women voting for Hillary.
Then we have Pope Francis meeting with unrepenting Pro abortion Italian woman in Italy on US Election Day.
He should be excommunicated.
Our priest says that they are Atheists.
You are a liar. You have read on this forum people saying their priest told people about who could and could not be voted for and yet you persist as if nothing had been written. You are being intentionally duplicitous. For your information, it was an SSPX priest who spoke out against what Francis did with and for the Lutherans!
Get your facts straight and learn how to spell! :really-mad2:
Also this, the priest I am referring to who spoke out is not Fr. Bouchacourt, but an English priest by the name of Father Hakan Lindstrom.
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Far worse than abortion is United Nations Agenda 21. It is perhaps a sad reflection on the state of propaganda and the resulting ignorance in the general population, that few know what UN Agenda 21 is, and how it is worse than abortion. I am not here to educate. God gave people a brain so they can find water on their own.
That said, the only party that is against UN Agenda 21 is the Constitution Party. They are the only ones taking a stand against neo-Malthusianism (which dwarfs the abortion issue). View their platform here -- http://www.constitutionparty.com/our-principles/key-issues/#section4
IMO, anyone voting for anything other than the Constitution Party is voting pro-Lucifer. This includes Trump.
I know what Agenda 21 is and as bad a plan as it is, it is not accomplished yet. They are trying to do this in stages because they know they can't do it all at once. First of all, we already have abortion as the "law" so it is the error we need to fight first, not something that may or may not ever happen. After that would be taking down the laws that attack the sanctity of marriage.
In the order of offense to God, things come as the Ten Commandments do. First the sins directly against God and the Faith are the most serious, such as heresy, serious intentional blasphemies, sacrileges etc...and murder comes after that. It is all mortally sinful, but it is necessary that we keep God's order when deciding which is worse.
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Our SSPX priest said that you can NOT vote for the "lesser of two evils" because evil is still evil.
Correct. Glad to hear this.
You must vote for the candidate who you believe will do the "Greatest Good". He than told us to consider honesty, credibility, pro-life issues...etc...
False. This is only true if the candidate meets the criteria for double effect.
So, for example, imagine if Trump were as pro-abortion as Hillary. That is to say, he wanted to push for no-restrictions, abortion on demand up to the 9th month (including partial birth abortion) in all 50 states.
Then we couldn't vote for him either -- "Wall" or no "Wall". We couldn't vote for him in the hopes of economic benefits, if he had a seriously evil anti-life agenda.
Despite the false priorities of at least half of the American population, the stupid economy is NOT the biggest issue. That's materialism and covetousness talking.
Seek FIRST the Kingdom of God, and THEN you'll get your material comforts, if it's God's will.
Four and eight years ago Trump was the pro abortion republican candidate.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Oh, What a Lovely War!: A New Administration's Unclear Direction
Philip Giraldi
http://www.unz.com/article/oh-what-a-lovely-war/
... Trump, who is largely ignorant of the world and its leaders, has relied on a mixed bag of advisors. Former head of the Defense Intelligence Agency General Michael Flynn appears to be the most prominent. Flynn is associated with arch neocon Michael Ledeen and both are rabid about Iran, with Flynn suggesting that nearly all the unrest in the Middle East should be laid at Tehran's door. Ledeen is, of course, a prominent Israel-firster who has long had Iran in his sights ... Part of the problem with Trump is that he has some very bad ideas mixed in with a few good ones and no one knows what he would actually do if he were president.
Donald Trump, America's First Jєωιѕн President
David Peyman - The Times of Israel
http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/donald-trump-americas-first-Jєωιѕн-president/
On policy, there is no question that Donald Trump is the most pro-Israel, pro-Jєωιѕн candidate to ever run for the U.S. presidency. And this year's Republican Party platform is the most pro-Israel political platform in the history of the United States, on either side of the political aisle. That is why when Jєωιѕн and pro-Israel voters learn about Donald Trump's policies, they support Donald Trump. Let's examine the evidence and look at other ties that bond Mr. Trump to Israel and the Jєωιѕн people ... Supporting Jews is what Mr. Trump has done all his life ... Mr. Trump's policies, his staunch pro-Israel advisors and his personal ties to the Jєωιѕн people are why they will choose him as the next President of the United States.
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All five sermons at St. Mary's, KS on Oct. 23 was about voting and we were told to vote for the Pro-Life candidates, and it would be a sin to vote for the pro-abortion candidate when you have a candidate that will uphold Catholic principles. (Father was referring to the parishioner that was running for state house of reps. against a liberal Democrat).
Father said it was always a mortal sin to vote for a candidate who is a pro-abort and that is Catholic teaching. That holds when there are no candidates who are pro-life. We are a large family and we attend Mass at different times but heard the same sermon. The principal was made clear.
Yes, you are correct, he did say that. Thanks for making that clear.
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It was the IRS 501c3 Tax Exemption that was passed by Congress in the 1950's
against churches not to endorse a political candidate and take a political
stance, this thanks to LBJ, a Senator from Texas and succeeded JFK after
his assassination.
Strange, Black Churches are always allowed to be very political as long as
they favor left wing candidates. I heard of a case of a representative of
a Black Church in Memphis, Tennessee going into the Registrar of
voters and getting a whole lot of ballots for this past election, and got
them. This is unheard of in a predominate White Churches.
There was a Black Church that got into trouble in Mississippi with the media
for having a Trump sign posted outside their church, and the pastor
advising his congregation to vote for Trump because Hillary is just too
evil.
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Oh, What a Lovely War!: A New Administration's Unclear Direction
Philip Giraldi
http://www.unz.com/article/oh-what-a-lovely-war/
... Trump, who is largely ignorant of the world and its leaders, has relied on a mixed bag of advisors. Former head of the Defense Intelligence Agency General Michael Flynn appears to be the most prominent. Flynn is associated with arch neocon Michael Ledeen and both are rabid about Iran, with Flynn suggesting that nearly all the unrest in the Middle East should be laid at Tehran's door. Ledeen is, of course, a prominent Israel-firster who has long had Iran in his sights ... Part of the problem with Trump is that he has some very bad ideas mixed in with a few good ones and no one knows what he would actually do if he were president.
Donald Trump, America's First Jєωιѕн President
David Peyman - The Times of Israel
http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/donald-trump-americas-first-Jєωιѕн-president/
On policy, there is no question that Donald Trump is the most pro-Israel, pro-Jєωιѕн candidate to ever run for the U.S. presidency. And this year's Republican Party platform is the most pro-Israel political platform in the history of the United States, on either side of the political aisle. That is why when Jєωιѕн and pro-Israel voters learn about Donald Trump's policies, they support Donald Trump. Let's examine the evidence and look at other ties that bond Mr. Trump to Israel and the Jєωιѕн people ... Supporting Jews is what Mr. Trump has done all his life ... Mr. Trump's policies, his staunch pro-Israel advisors and his personal ties to the Jєωιѕн people are why they will choose him as the next President of the United States.
Yeah, "Neo-cons" with a license to start WWIII or an international trade war is what we've got.
We are sitting ducks.
But, it was a relief to see the dyke-witch out of power.
Last Wednesday, I felt like a dancing munchkin after the house had fallen on the Wicked Witch of the East.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2532/3893100210_817fee2b68_b.jpg)
Jew presidents ? :scratchchin:
Try Teddy Rosenfeld, FDR, Harry "Solomon" Truman, "Ike the Swedish Kyke"... and probably more?