Author Topic: SSPX priests silent in face of evil Hillary (Read 5831 times)

Matthew · « **on:** November 08, 2016, 03:52:09 AM »

I just read this on Facebook:

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SSPX lady voted for Hillary Father said vote your [conscience]. I was so sad to know who she voted for.

Vote your conscience? What a cop out. That sounds like wishy washy novus ordo talk to me! How about you, as a priest, HELP INFORM those consciences with the truth, eh?

Did the Cristero priests stay silent when Mexico was being taken over by godless Communists? Did they stay neutral during the whole crisis, telling the people to 'vote your conscience" or "do what you think is right"?

So the SSPX is more concerned about their tax status and staying on good terms with the diabolical State than doing their duty before God!

Voting for Hillary Clinton is a MORTAL SIN. PERIOD. She is TOO corrupt, TOO rabidly pro-abortion and a godless Communist to boot! You can't vote for that!

I don't care if you're Hispanic and/or you don't like Trump. That doesn't mean you can proactively vote FOR Lucifer.

My Resistance priest minced no words about Hillary when we had Mass here recently. And those of you in-the-know certainly know who that is.

Ekim · « **Reply #1 on:** November 08, 2016, 05:08:47 AM »

Our SSPX priest said that you can NOT vote for the "lesser of two evils" because evil is still evil. You must vote for the candidate who you believe will do the "Greatest Good". He than told us to consider honesty, credibility, pro-life issues...etc... Although he did not tell us who to vote for (would be illegal if he did), he certainly did lead you toward the "Trump Train".

A friend who goes to the local indult Mass said there were about 400 people at their Mass last Sunday. The priest made it very clear that one candidate was clearly anticatholic. This priest was also was leading parishioners toward the Republican candidate.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #2 on:** November 08, 2016, 08:00:13 AM »

Quote from: Ekim

Our SSPX priest said that you can NOT vote for the "lesser of two evils" because evil is still evil.

Correct. Glad to hear this.

Quote from: Ekim

You must vote for the candidate who you believe will do the "Greatest Good". He than told us to consider honesty, credibility, pro-life issues...etc...

False. This is only true if the candidate meets the criteria for double effect.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #3 on:** November 08, 2016, 08:03:29 AM »

Here's how I would handle it: "I cannot, by unjust secular law, tell you for whom you as a Catholic must vote. But I can tell you that it would be a mortal sin to vote for Hillary Clinton." I would then distribute a handout that rates the candidates based on Catholic principles.

Personally, I believe that voting for a pro-abortion candidate constitutes becoming a formal accomplice in abortion and falls under the excommunication for that crime.

nctradcath · « **Reply #4 on:** November 08, 2016, 08:04:41 AM »

Doe anyone wonder if it will be the non-SSPX trads taken to the camps as the SSPX faithful will be happily giving Thier grain of incense to the Anti-pope, but the resistance and sede faithful to stay out of the camp will just have to compromise with the SSPX?

nctradcath · « **Reply #5 on:** November 08, 2016, 08:05:41 AM »

Or will they just liquefy all trads?

Matthew · « **Reply #6 on:** November 08, 2016, 08:06:26 AM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

Quote from: Ekim
Our SSPX priest said that you can NOT vote for the "lesser of two evils" because evil is still evil.

Correct. Glad to hear this.

Quote from: Ekim
You must vote for the candidate who you believe will do the "Greatest Good". He than told us to consider honesty, credibility, pro-life issues...etc...

False. This is only true if the candidate meets the criteria for double effect.

So, for example, imagine if Trump were as pro-abortion as Hillary. That is to say, he wanted to push for no-restrictions, abortion on demand up to the 9th month (including partial birth abortion) in all 50 states.

Then we couldn't vote for him either -- "Wall" or no "Wall". We couldn't vote for him in the hopes of economic benefits, if he had a seriously evil anti-life agenda.

Despite the false priorities of at least half of the American population, the stupid economy is NOT the biggest issue. That's materialism and covetousness talking.

Seek FIRST the Kingdom of God, and THEN you'll get your material comforts, if it's God's will.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #7 on:** November 08, 2016, 09:09:38 AM »

Quote from: Matthew

Quote from: Ladislaus
Quote from: Ekim
Our SSPX priest said that you can NOT vote for the "lesser of two evils" because evil is still evil.

Correct. Glad to hear this.

Quote from: Ekim
You must vote for the candidate who you believe will do the "Greatest Good". He than told us to consider honesty, credibility, pro-life issues...etc...

False. This is only true if the candidate meets the criteria for double effect.

So, for example, imagine if Trump were as pro-abortion as Hillary. That is to say, he wanted to push for no-restrictions, abortion on demand up to the 9th month (including partial birth abortion) in all 50 states.

Then we couldn't vote for him either -- "Wall" or no "Wall". We couldn't vote for him in the hopes of economic benefits, if he had a seriously evil anti-life agenda.

Despite the false priorities of at least half of the American population, the stupid economy is NOT the biggest issue. That's materialism and covetousness talking.

Seek FIRST the Kingdom of God, and THEN you'll get your material comforts, if it's God's will.

Absolutely right. Principle of double effect only applies when the intended good effect outweighs the evil effect, and abortion clearly trumps (pun intended) economic issues. If I vote for the hypothetical pro-abortion Trump you described due to economic issues, with the unintended secondary effect of his being pro abortion, that fails the double effect test because the good effect must outweigh the bad effect, and good economy does NOT outweigh abortion.

Matto · « **Reply #8 on:** November 08, 2016, 10:03:53 AM »

Quote from: nctradcath

Doe anyone wonder if it will be the non-SSPX trads taken to the camps as the SSPX faithful will be happily giving Thier grain of incense to the Anti-pope, but the resistance and sede faithful to stay out of the camp will just have to compromise with the SSPX?

There are only a relatively few non-SSPX trads. But I bet there is much more room for people in the FEMA camps than that. I believe most trads will go to the camps. SSPX, resistance, sedevacantists, even indult and eastern rite. Also I bet many evangelicals and mormons will go also as well as many other conservatives. And I fear that once we are in the camps they will have one goal. They will try to get us to commit a mortal sin and God forbid, if they do get us to commit a mortal sin, they will kill us right away before we have a chance to repent so we will go to hell.

Wessex · « **Reply #9 on:** November 08, 2016, 10:15:40 AM »

Traditionalist women are a contradiction. I have known too many who opt for the single life and enthusiastically forge careers in the modern world. On Sundays they act prim and proper, are very devout and spiritual. Like Cherie Blair and her mantilla! Some of those that are married would claw your eyes out if you were to advocate anything that would 'hold back' their children in life.

One side of them would rejoice at seeing a woman beat a man at the polls while their other side feels a need for some vague religious experience. Of course, the mainstream church, courtesy of V2, allows them to do both. I dare say priests that sit on the sidelines will supply an enabling rationale,

Steve Hanniwald · « **Reply #10 on:** November 08, 2016, 01:21:08 PM »

Far worse than abortion is United Nations Agenda 21. It is perhaps a sad reflection on the state of propaganda and the resulting ignorance in the general population, that few know what UN Agenda 21 is, and how it is worse than abortion. I am not here to educate. God gave people a brain so they can find water on their own.

That said, the only party that is against UN Agenda 21 is the Constitution Party. They are the only ones taking a stand against neo-Malthusianism (which dwarfs the abortion issue). View their platform here -- http://www.constitutionparty.com/our-principles/key-issues/#section4

IMO, anyone voting for anything other than the Constitution Party is voting pro-Lucifer. This includes Trump.

Miseremini · « **Reply #11 on:** November 08, 2016, 01:27:58 PM »

Wouldn't Trump automatically be against Agenda 21?
He wouldn't give up ownership of anything!

Ladislaus · « **Reply #12 on:** November 08, 2016, 01:30:22 PM »

Quote from: Steve Hanniwald

IMO, anyone voting for anything other than the Constitution Party is voting pro-Lucifer. This includes Trump.

I don't believe that. I used to like Constitution Party, but not ONE WORD about abortion in the entire page you linked to. They used to be pro life, but I'm not sure what they are anymore.

RogerThat · « **Reply #13 on:** November 08, 2016, 01:42:40 PM »

In my opinion voting for Trump is just as bad for Hillary.

Steve Hanniwald · « **Reply #14 on:** November 08, 2016, 02:16:48 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus

Quote from: Steve Hanniwald
IMO, anyone voting for anything other than the Constitution Party is voting pro-Lucifer. This includes Trump.

I don't believe that. I used to like Constitution Party, but not ONE WORD about abortion in the entire page you linked to. They used to be pro life, but I'm not sure what they are anymore.

That's like saying you didn't see one drop of water in the ocean that you were swimming in. UN Agenda 21 encompasses abortion, since it touches the larger issue of neo-Malthusianism. This is the control of fertility and mortality rates of mass populations, to control population volumes and the impact on privately-owned resources (generally owned by Freemasonic Luciferian Fondi central banking families).

Carefully controlling and tracking the results of intentional contaminants in air, food, water, and "medicine" are typical neo-Malthusian methods. Abortion, destruction of the family unit, pushing the gαy lifetsyle, etc. are also aspects of neo-Malthusianism.

Know your enemy, or perish at the hands of your enemy. Lucifer is your enemy, and he knows exactly what to say to your ears to make you complacent and comfortable.