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Title: SSPX priests sermon - condemning our family for Bp. W Confirmation
Post by: bvmknight on March 12, 2013, 02:41:50 PM
I think it is important for the people on this forum to know what an SSPX priest preached from the pulpit this past Sunday. I have no desire to say anything bad about ANY priest so I will be as careful as possible and only repeat what he said in sermons in public or to us in personal meetings.  This all occured at the SSPX chapel that we have attended for over 7 years.

A little background:  We have been concerned for a while now about the direction that the SSPX is heading and my husband and I have had some very candid, honest discussions with our pastor and felt for a long time that he was really listening and perhaps shared our concerns.  After Father Pfeiffer said Mass at our home, which we were upfront with our pastor about, we were called in for a very long meeting where we were told about how bad Father Chazal and Father Pfeiffer were.  We were disappointed and stopped talking to our priest about everything after that but all remained cordial and friendly.  

We drove 6 hours to Post Falls, Idaho and spent 5 days and 4 nights in two hotel rooms with 10 children (who ALL got sick) so that we could have our children confirmed by Bishop Williamson.  It was crazy, chaotic, sleepless and a wonderful privilege.  We know we did the right thing and have no regrets.   The Sunday that we were in Idaho our priest preached a sermon that compared Bishop Williamson and Father Pfeiffer to “Judaizers” and called them enemies of the Church.  We were not planning to go back, but with no other Mass options we decided to go back the next week in hopes that it would all die down and we could quietly continue at the parish.  We told only close friends about our children’s Confirmation so as not to cause problems at our parish.  The sermon the week we were there was about St. Joseph and nothing at all was said to us about anything.

We did not attend our usual chapel this Sunday but heard from the other parishioners that during the sermon, Father referred to us as a family from this parish who had their children confirmed by Bishop Williamson and compared us to illegitimate children and protestants.  He told everyone that we did it against his wishes and his command.  We never spoke to him about it at all so we did nothing against his command.  Father went on to say that the Bishop and priests involved are a disgrace.  He also said that some people don't come to Stations of the Cross on Fridays in Lent but they can go all the way to Idaho to have our children confirmed.  The chapel is 92.5 miles ($50 in gas round trip) from our house and we usually attend at least 6 times a month.  We say our Stations of the Cross as a family on Fridays in our home in front of an indulgenced crucifix.  He then said that he would be driving 6 hours on his own dime to lead the Stations this Friday and anyone who didn't come should write to his superior and ask for a new priest.  Many people were upset by his sermon.  

We prayed that God would give us a clear sign if we were supposed to leave so I thank Him for answering that prayer.  My heart would have broken if that had been said in front of my already confused children.  I think they want to get rid of us so we don't cause trouble so part of me wants to go back and stir things up  to wake some people up.  Please pray for this priest.  He had a special place in our hearts for what he did for my dad as he was dying and it breaks my heart that he spoke of us this way.  

Blessed be God!
Title: SSPX priests sermon - condemning our family for Bp. W Confirmation
Post by: SeanJohnson on March 12, 2013, 02:55:01 PM
I would not leave the chapel unless expelled.

Stay and make him continue to condemn you.

He will build the resistance by scandalizing the faithful.
Title: SSPX priests sermon - condemning our family for Bp. W Confirmation
Post by: Machabees on March 12, 2013, 03:25:27 PM
Quote from: bvmknight
I think it is important for the people on this forum to know what an SSPX priest preached from the pulpit this past Sunday. I have no desire to say anything bad about ANY priest so I will be as careful as possible and only repeat what he said in sermons in public or to us in personal meetings.  This all occured at the SSPX chapel that we have attended for over 7 years.

A little background:  We have been concerned for a while now about the direction that the SSPX is heading and my husband and I have had some very candid, honest discussions with our pastor and felt for a long time that he was really listening and perhaps shared our concerns.  After Father Pfeiffer said Mass at our home, which we were upfront with our pastor about, we were called in for a very long meeting where we were told about how bad Father Chazal and Father Pfeiffer were.  We were disappointed and stopped talking to our priest about everything after that but all remained cordial and friendly.  

We drove 6 hours to Post Falls, Idaho and spent 5 days and 4 nights in two hotel rooms with 10 children (who ALL got sick) so that we could have our children confirmed by Bishop Williamson.  It was crazy, chaotic, sleepless and a wonderful privilege.  We know we did the right thing and have no regrets.   The Sunday that we were in Idaho our priest preached a sermon that compared Bishop Williamson and Father Pfeiffer to “Judaizers” and called them enemies of the Church.  We were not planning to go back, but with no other Mass options we decided to go back the next week in hopes that it would all die down and we could quietly continue at the parish.  We told only close friends about our children’s Confirmation so as not to cause problems at our parish.  The sermon the week we were there was about St. Joseph and nothing at all was said to us about anything.

We did not attend our usual chapel this Sunday but heard from the other parishioners that during the sermon, Father referred to us as a family from this parish who had their children confirmed by Bishop Williamson and compared us to illegitimate children and protestants.  He told everyone that we did it against his wishes and his command.  We never spoke to him about it at all so we did nothing against his command.  Father went on to say that the Bishop and priests involved are a disgrace.  He also said that some people don't come to Stations of the Cross on Fridays in Lent but they can go all the way to Idaho to have our children confirmed.  The chapel is 92.5 miles ($50 in gas round trip) from our house and we usually attend at least 6 times a month.  We say our Stations of the Cross as a family on Fridays in our home in front of an indulgenced crucifix.  He then said that he would be driving 6 hours on his own dime to lead the Stations this Friday and anyone who didn't come should write to his superior and ask for a new priest.  Many people were upset by his sermon.  

We prayed that God would give us a clear sign if we were supposed to leave so I thank Him for answering that prayer.  My heart would have broken if that had been said in front of my already confused children.  I think they want to get rid of us so we don't cause trouble so part of me wants to go back and stir things up  to wake some people up.  Please pray for this priest.  He had a special place in our hearts for what he did for my dad as he was dying and it breaks my heart that he spoke of us this way.  

Blessed be God!


Bvmknight,

I am sorry you had to endure such things; along with the SSPX directing it to your children.  In looking at the Crucifix, our Lord had said that these things would happen.  

The sadness, especially, is that it is coming from our "own" priests who we have supported for years, and discover one day that they "turned" liberal to now wanting us to follow the conciliar church in their new-traitorous-deal.

No, we cannot follow.  The Faith is above false unity.

As he had said these things to everyone in attendance within a public sermon, can you let us know which Priest it is?  I think your chapel is served by the Post Falls priests.

God bless.
Title: SSPX priests sermon - condemning our family for Bp. W Confirmation
Post by: bvmknight on March 12, 2013, 04:08:30 PM
Machabbes, it  is Father Johnson.

Seraphim, I agree with you and we are prayerfully deciding whether or not to return.  Please pray for us.
Title: SSPX priests sermon - condemning our family for Bp. W Confirmation
Post by: stgobnait on March 12, 2013, 04:12:09 PM
 prayers for your situation.... there will be many who will find themselves in exactly the same situation before long..... :furtive:
Title: SSPX priests sermon - condemning our family for Bp. W Confirmation
Post by: s2srea on March 12, 2013, 04:14:09 PM
 :pray:

Title: SSPX priests sermon - condemning our family for Bp. W Confirmation
Post by: Raphaela on March 12, 2013, 04:18:40 PM
I'm always amazed by the way the neo-SSPX attacks, especially laity, even children, and from the pulpit. And the threats to refuse Holy Communion and the refusal to ordain the Dominicans and Capuchins in the summer. You can't imagine Archbishop Lefebvre ever behaving like that. They condem themselves out of their own mouths.

 They must feel they're in a very weak position to attack so violently. As Bishop Williamson said in his Conference at Post Falls, if you disagree with the liberal dove, you soon see the claws of the hawk.
Title: SSPX priests sermon - condemning our family for Bp. W Confirmation
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on March 12, 2013, 04:19:35 PM
We will pray for you.  

To persecute good holy Catholic faithful and priests is sinful.  
His sermon is very novus ordo.

It seems that the liberals have infiltrated the SSPX and now are working to corrupt it.  

 
Title: SSPX priests sermon - condemning our family for Bp. W Confirmation
Post by: Matthew on March 12, 2013, 04:19:36 PM
Quote from: bvmknight
Machabbes, it  is Father Johnson.

Seraphim, I agree with you and we are prayerfully deciding whether or not to return.  Please pray for us.


See, they can't really EXPEL anyone without losing their tax-exempt status, supplied jurisdiction, etc.

But making your life hell until you quit? That's another story. That they can and WILL do -- in fact they have done it in many places. It's their new modus operandi.

I agree with Seraphim -- you will do countless good by giving yourself to Christ, humbly accepting your own sufferings just as Our Lord accepted His Passion and death.

Of all the sufferings on this earth, I think it's most pleasant to be treated like Christ was, say, before Holy Thursday. He was Love and Truth itself, and look at the hatred and lies thrown at Him!

I'm sure Christ's feelings were extremely hurt by the ingratitude and hatred he met in so many quarters -- from those He loved. From His own people.

I went through something similar at my chapel, though our priest is sympathetic to the resistance. Fr. Rostand fired my wife and me from our volunteer positions at the chapel. If that's the cost of being on the side of Truth, then bring it on.

We continue to go to Mass there. Even if Father ever did the unthinkable (which I doubt he would do) and tried to expel us from the chapel, I think I'd show up several times just to help separate the sheep and the goats firmly into 2 camps. At that point, anyone against +Williamson, Fr. Pfeiffer (etc.) would have a certain measure of bad will and culpability.

Right now, God knows how much culpability they have. I've spoken with people who actually LIKED Fr. Hewko very much, but rather than consider his words, they're just "praying for him to return". They would sooner think that a holy priest has gone astray, than consider that maybe they're wrong.

Very sad.
Title: SSPX priests sermon - condemning our family for Bp. W Confirmation
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on March 12, 2013, 04:21:39 PM
"we are all going to death, so why not go boldly, and why not go with Christ, why not go without fear, and why not go as our Master went?  Reverend Father Jospeh Pfeiffer.  Please correct me if this is misquoted.
Title: SSPX priests sermon - condemning our family for Bp. W Confirmation
Post by: Mithrandylan on March 12, 2013, 04:28:03 PM
How awful and disgusting.  Prayers.
Title: SSPX priests sermon - condemning our family for Bp. W Confirmation
Post by: bvmknight on March 12, 2013, 04:52:04 PM
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I've spoken with people who actually LIKED Fr. Hewko very much, but rather than consider his words, they're just "praying for him to return".


We hear "Bad Father Chazal! Bad Father Pfeiffer! Poor Father Hewko!"

Thank you all for your prayers.
Title: SSPX priests sermon - condemning our family for Bp. W Confirmation
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on March 12, 2013, 04:52:34 PM
Open letter to SSPX under Bishop Fellay

Why persecute good and holy families and clergy?   Why not bring up the sins and errors of vatican II?   What does Father Johnson think of the holy sacrament of Marriage and Holy orders?      

is it true that Bishop Fellay is already messing with Holy Orders.  I think it is really weird for a Rabbi who hates gentiles to give talks to young seminarians.



Vatican II is not Catholic.  It persecutes the clergy  and faithful just as the sspx is now doing.  

Recently, in Washington DC   a novus ordo priest was sent to siberia after refusing to give communion to a budist lesbian who was exploiting her own mother's funeral to promote her lesbian agendas.  

Also, in El paso  Texas,   a novus ordo priest Father Rodriquez was kicked out of novus ordo diocese for preaching against homosexuality and defending the holy sacrament of marriage.  

By condemning good and holy people  in sermons, Father Johnson is siding with the homosexuals, communinsts, socialists of vatican II.      


To Jesus , through Mary
     
Title: SSPX priests sermon - condemning our family for Bp. W Confirmation
Post by: Machabees on March 12, 2013, 05:12:27 PM
Quote from: bvmknight
Machabbes, it is Father Johnson.

Seraphim, I agree with you and we are prayerfully deciding whether or not to return.  Please pray for us.


This is an amazing twist with Fr. Johnson; there was some hope in him to do what is right  As I was told that Fr. Johnson gave a rare Post Falls sermon 4-5 months ago, saying that - "Vatican II must die!".  And that - "Vatican II is self condemned!"

Now, it is SSPX "authority" that reigns and we must only recognize and obey...no longer is it that the Truth will set you free...only what the SSPX tells you.

Another E-gad.
Title: SSPX priests sermon - condemning our family for Bp. W Confirmation
Post by: ggreg on March 12, 2013, 05:25:45 PM
See, they can't really EXPEL anyone without losing their tax-exempt status, supplied jurisdiction, etc.

But making your life hell until you quit? That's another story. That they can and WILL do -- in fact they have done it in many places. It's their new modus operandi


 -- - - -


It's not new.  I went to the SSPX exclusively from 1978 to 2003 and from 1992 onwards I saw the same MO in the United States, Australia and Britain.
Title: SSPX priests sermon - condemning our family for Bp. W Confirmation
Post by: John Grace on March 12, 2013, 05:35:54 PM
Quote from: bvmknight
I think it is important for the people on this forum to know what an SSPX priest preached from the pulpit this past Sunday. I have no desire to say anything bad about ANY priest so I will be as careful as possible and only repeat what he said in sermons in public or to us in personal meetings.  This all occured at the SSPX chapel that we have attended for over 7 years.

A little background:  We have been concerned for a while now about the direction that the SSPX is heading and my husband and I have had some very candid, honest discussions with our pastor and felt for a long time that he was really listening and perhaps shared our concerns.  After Father Pfeiffer said Mass at our home, which we were upfront with our pastor about, we were called in for a very long meeting where we were told about how bad Father Chazal and Father Pfeiffer were.  We were disappointed and stopped talking to our priest about everything after that but all remained cordial and friendly.  

We drove 6 hours to Post Falls, Idaho and spent 5 days and 4 nights in two hotel rooms with 10 children (who ALL got sick) so that we could have our children confirmed by Bishop Williamson.  It was crazy, chaotic, sleepless and a wonderful privilege.  We know we did the right thing and have no regrets.   The Sunday that we were in Idaho our priest preached a sermon that compared Bishop Williamson and Father Pfeiffer to “Judaizers” and called them enemies of the Church.  We were not planning to go back, but with no other Mass options we decided to go back the next week in hopes that it would all die down and we could quietly continue at the parish.  We told only close friends about our children’s Confirmation so as not to cause problems at our parish.  The sermon the week we were there was about St. Joseph and nothing at all was said to us about anything.

We did not attend our usual chapel this Sunday but heard from the other parishioners that during the sermon, Father referred to us as a family from this parish who had their children confirmed by Bishop Williamson and compared us to illegitimate children and protestants.  He told everyone that we did it against his wishes and his command.  We never spoke to him about it at all so we did nothing against his command.  Father went on to say that the Bishop and priests involved are a disgrace.  He also said that some people don't come to Stations of the Cross on Fridays in Lent but they can go all the way to Idaho to have our children confirmed.  The chapel is 92.5 miles ($50 in gas round trip) from our house and we usually attend at least 6 times a month.  We say our Stations of the Cross as a family on Fridays in our home in front of an indulgenced crucifix.  He then said that he would be driving 6 hours on his own dime to lead the Stations this Friday and anyone who didn't come should write to his superior and ask for a new priest.  Many people were upset by his sermon.  

We prayed that God would give us a clear sign if we were supposed to leave so I thank Him for answering that prayer.  My heart would have broken if that had been said in front of my already confused children.  I think they want to get rid of us so we don't cause trouble so part of me wants to go back and stir things up  to wake some people up.  Please pray for this priest.  He had a special place in our hearts for what he did for my dad as he was dying and it breaks my heart that he spoke of us this way.  

Blessed be God!


I can't say I am sorry to hear this as it is expected now. You all did the right thing and should have no regrets. I will certainly pray for you all.
Title: SSPX priests sermon - condemning our family for Bp. W Confirmation
Post by: John Grace on March 12, 2013, 05:45:46 PM
I have the pro-agreement Fr Angles on my case. I am not at all bothered by the fiery Spaniard.

I have taken a decision to try and get a suitable property that will facilitate the Traditional Mass. I have been praying about returning to the SSPX at Easter but feel a strong sign not to.

I like the loose network of independent priest structure.  Any priests for Ireland would be welcomed. It's strange we need to request priests in Ireland. A sign of the times.
Title: SSPX priests sermon - condemning our family for Bp. W Confirmation
Post by: John Grace on March 12, 2013, 05:50:40 PM
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He will build the resistance by scandalizing the faithful.

Indeed. The way bvmknight and family have been treated has strengthened the resistance.
Title: SSPX priests sermon - condemning our family for Bp. W Confirmation
Post by: John Grace on March 12, 2013, 05:54:46 PM
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The Sunday that we were in Idaho our priest preached a sermon that compared Bishop Williamson and Father Pfeiffer to “Judaizers” and called them enemies of the Church


The priest must be losing the plot or under terrible duress to be saying such things. I would just laugh at it.
Title: SSPX priests sermon - condemning our family for Bp. W Confirmation
Post by: John Grace on March 12, 2013, 05:57:01 PM
Quote from: Matthew
Quote from: bvmknight
Machabbes, it  is Father Johnson.

Seraphim, I agree with you and we are prayerfully deciding whether or not to return.  Please pray for us.


See, they can't really EXPEL anyone without losing their tax-exempt status, supplied jurisdiction, etc.

But making your life hell until you quit? That's another story. That they can and WILL do -- in fact they have done it in many places. It's their new modus operandi.

I agree with Seraphim -- you will do countless good by giving yourself to Christ, humbly accepting your own sufferings just as Our Lord accepted His Passion and death.

Of all the sufferings on this earth, I think it's most pleasant to be treated like Christ was, say, before Holy Thursday. He was Love and Truth itself, and look at the hatred and lies thrown at Him!

I'm sure Christ's feelings were extremely hurt by the ingratitude and hatred he met in so many quarters -- from those He loved. From His own people.

I went through something similar at my chapel, though our priest is sympathetic to the resistance. Fr. Rostand fired my wife and me from our volunteer positions at the chapel. If that's the cost of being on the side of Truth, then bring it on.

We continue to go to Mass there. Even if Father ever did the unthinkable (which I doubt he would do) and tried to expel us from the chapel, I think I'd show up several times just to help separate the sheep and the goats firmly into 2 camps. At that point, anyone against +Williamson, Fr. Pfeiffer (etc.) would have a certain measure of bad will and culpability.

Right now, God knows how much culpability they have. I've spoken with people who actually LIKED Fr. Hewko very much, but rather than consider his words, they're just "praying for him to return". They would sooner think that a holy priest has gone astray, than consider that maybe they're wrong.

Very sad.


Well stated.
 :applause:
Title: SSPX priests sermon - condemning our family for Bp. W Confirmation
Post by: Sola Virtus Invicta on March 12, 2013, 06:05:35 PM
"What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who is against us? He that spared not even his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how hath he not also, with him, given us all things? Who shall accuse against the elect of God? God that justifieth. Who is he that shall condemn? Christ Jesus that died, yea that is risen also again; who is at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. Who then shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation? or distress? or famine? or nakedness? or danger? or persecution? or the sword?

But in all these things we overcome, because of him that hath loved us. For I am sure that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor might, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."
Romans 8:31-39

The sufferings you endure for Christ will be jewels in your heavenly crown.  
Keep praying!  
Keep fighting!

God bless,
Curtis

P.S. Please continue to keep Father Johnson in your prayers.  He is currently suffering his own trial, as are many other good priests, religious, and lay people.  

"...Behold Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and thou, being once converted, confirm thy brethren."  Jesus Christ the King    (words to St. Peter before the passion)

P.P.S. Also, please pray very hard for the papal conclave.  Pray that Mary Immaculate will visit them with her Most Holy Spouse, and put an end to the diabolical confusion!  
Lord have mercy on us!
Title: SSPX priests sermon - condemning our family for Bp. W Confirmation
Post by: Elizabeth on March 12, 2013, 06:10:45 PM
Quote from: bvmknight



We prayed that God would give us a clear sign if we were supposed to leave so I thank Him for answering that prayer.  My heart would have broken if that had been said in front of my already confused children.  I think they want to get rid of us so we don't cause trouble so part of me wants to go back and stir things up  to wake some people up.  Please pray for this priest.  He had a special place in our hearts for what he did for my dad as he was dying and it breaks my heart that he spoke of us this way.  

Blessed be God!


From brutal experience, I'd be grateful that the smack-downs did not occur in front of any of your children.

I am old enough for such a thing to be unthinkable.  Back where I came from, even criminals didn't involve children in conflicts.

And I completely empathise with the heartbreak, of truly loving the clergy in question.  It goes away, and you think it's all going to be all right, and then BAM, the kids have terrible nightmares or worse as a result.   I had a hideous nightmare again last night over people whom I truly loved not sticking up for us the way we would have done.  

IMO hearts have grown cold all over the place.  God Our Father is maybe trying to teach us to rely only on Him, that's all I can understand.

May God bless you and your family. :pray:

Title: SSPX priests sermon - condemning our family for Bp. W Confirmation
Post by: JMacQ on March 12, 2013, 06:15:06 PM
His Excellency Bishop Williamson confirmed the children of this family and many others without asking them to stop going to the SSPX masses. The local priests should learn from him and leave these people to make their own conscience choices in peace. Like the German Carmelite convent issue, this harassment is very upsetting and scandalous.
Title: SSPX priests sermon - condemning our family for Bp. W Confirmation
Post by: Zeitun on March 12, 2013, 06:21:37 PM
These neo-SSPX priests don't need God's Providence--they have Bishop Fellay's pension plan.
Title: SSPX priests sermon - condemning our family for Bp. W Confirmation
Post by: John Grace on March 12, 2013, 06:24:52 PM
Quote from: JMacQ
His Excellency Bishop Williamson confirmed the children of this family and many others without asking them to stop going to the SSPX masses. The local priests should learn from him and leave these people to make their own conscience choices in peace. Like the German Carmelite convent issue, this harassment is very upsetting and scandalous.


I disagree with you though stating I am on another dimension. You never did retract that remark.
Title: SSPX priests sermon - condemning our family for Bp. W Confirmation
Post by: bowler on March 12, 2013, 06:31:32 PM
Quote from: Raphaela

 They must feel they're in a very weak position to attack so violently.


You hit the nail on the head. The neo-SSPX has ALL the properties, the schools (to teach the children), the big schools and big churches, they have EVERYTHING physical, yet they want to squash the ants?

A man in the position of strenght would not have even mentioned anything about a confirmation of one family. They are affraid of the truth, which is all that the "ants" have.
Title: SSPX priests sermon - condemning our family for Bp. W Confirmation
Post by: Mithrandylan on March 12, 2013, 06:37:06 PM
Quote from: bowler
Quote from: Raphaela

 They must feel they're in a very weak position to attack so violently.


You hit the nail on the head. The neo-SSPX has ALL the properties, the schools (to teach the children), the big schools and big churches, they have EVERYTHING physical, yet they want to squash the ants?

A man in the position of strenght would not have even mentioned anything about a confirmation of one family. They are affraid of the truth, which is all that the "ants" have.


It quite mirrors the behavior of newchurch towards Tradition, doesn't it?
Title: SSPX priests sermon - condemning our family for Bp. W Confirmation
Post by: John Grace on March 12, 2013, 06:38:39 PM
Quote from: bowler
Quote from: Raphaela

 They must feel they're in a very weak position to attack so violently.


You hit the nail on the head. The neo-SSPX has ALL the properties, the schools (to teach the children), the big schools and big churches, they have EVERYTHING physical, yet they want to squash the ants?

A man in the position of strenght would not have even mentioned anything about a confirmation of one family. They are affraid of the truth, which is all that the "ants" have.


Well stated but on the other hand how many in the SSPX believed the material on the Krahgate file? No, Clare, I am not "obsessed" nor do I regard myself as a "voice in the wilderness". My point being is yes, the neo sspx are frightened of the resistance. This attack is obvious.

The attack is nothing new. I remember Maximilian Krah stating on Ignis Ardens that the SSPX do not want certain people attending their chapels.

Those who won't be put under "holy obedience" will be booted out. I was sorry to see Bishop Williamson expelled but it had to be done to facilitate a deal. It's revealing when many laity didn't even know he was expelled.
Title: SSPX priests sermon - condemning our family for Bp. W Confirmation
Post by: Machabees on March 12, 2013, 06:51:47 PM
bvmknight said,
Quote
Father [Johnson] referred to us as a family from this parish who had their children confirmed by Bishop Williamson and compared us to illegitimate children and protestants.


This is also extremely disturbing.  

To say that anyone who received the True form of the Traditional Catholic Sacraments is "illegitimate children and protestants".  This is just another expression of this new-Menzingen "cult" mentality that the SSPX authority is the Catholic Church.

Very sic...
Title: SSPX priests sermon - condemning our family for Bp. W Confirmation
Post by: John Grace on March 12, 2013, 06:54:07 PM
It was also a bit sickening for folk to be branded cretins by some English trads when people were genuinely trying to help. Lamentably even Gregorio Sarto was very cool towards those who highlighted facts. What a shame really? Now we have families being denounced as documented on this thread.
Title: SSPX priests sermon - condemning our family for Bp. W Confirmation
Post by: John Grace on March 12, 2013, 07:02:13 PM
Quote from: Machabees
bvmknight said,
Quote
Father [Johnson] referred to us as a family from this parish who had their children confirmed by Bishop Williamson and compared us to illegitimate children and protestants.


This is also extremely disturbing.  

To say that anyone who received the True form of the Traditional Catholic Sacraments is "illegitimate children and protestants".  This is just another expression of this new-Menzingen "cult" mentality that the SSPX authority is the Catholic Church.

Very sic...


It's laughable given the Zionist hand in the SSPX.  Whilst Father Johnson said that how many will still finance that chapel? I mean put money in the plate next Sunday.

I wouldn't give a penny to the SSPX.  Mrs Brady and Fr Morgan were sent back my copy of the Society magazine 'Mater Dei'. I cancelled my subscription several years ago and since the posting of William of Norwich have never given that pious union money.

They are hypocrites. Even that business of priests going to SeaWorld. What a pack of hypocrites.
Title: SSPX priests sermon - condemning our family for Bp. W Confirmation
Post by: bowler on March 12, 2013, 07:08:55 PM
Quote from: Elizabeth
Quote from: bvmknight



We prayed that God would give us a clear sign if we were supposed to leave so I thank Him for answering that prayer.  My heart would have broken if that had been said in front of my already confused children.  I think they want to get rid of us so we don't cause trouble so part of me wants to go back and stir things up  to wake some people up.  Please pray for this priest.  He had a special place in our hearts for what he did for my dad as he was dying and it breaks my heart that he spoke of us this way.  

Blessed be God!


From brutal experience, I'd be grateful that the smack-downs did not occur in front of any of your children.

  It goes away, and you think it's all going to be all right, and then BAM, the kids have terrible nightmares or worse as a result.   I had a hideous nightmare again last night over people whom I truly loved not sticking up for us the way we would have done.  

IMO hearts have grown cold all over the place.  God Our Father is maybe trying to teach us to rely only on Him, that's all I can understand.

May God bless you and your family. :pray:



In the soft age that we live in, men have little opportunity for true heroics, there are no noble fights to fight anymore, so we complain about the grass growing too fast or some other such triviality.

Now, here comes a noble battle, a fight for the truth! You are ostraczed for doing something noble, going to have your children confirmed a Bishop that everyone loved, but now they have abandoned like a leper, because they are affraid of peer pressure. Is this not exactly what happened with the apostles when they all left Christ? Have we something better to do than to fight this fight?

For a man, there is nothing more invigorating than to fight for a noble cause, and I consider it an honor to be able to back Bp. Williamson, when everyone has turned against him. I consider it an honor to oppose the entire world if it need be, if I have the truth on my side.

What can they do, shoot me? What is there to fear? Keep going to that chapel and keep a happy face, be kind to everyone, it will throw coals of fire upon them.
Title: SSPX priests sermon - condemning our family for Bp. W Confirmation
Post by: ben on March 12, 2013, 08:12:41 PM
Many of the priests are getting in on the act.  Our pastor, I was told, instructed the high school class that 95% of Vatican II was good.   And after his evening catechism class, laughed and made fun of the resistance priests and asked those attending if they weren't really tired of having a 'crisis' to deal with in the church.  A crisis!   Let's get over it!  Laughing the entire time.
A student from LaSalette has learned that Vactican II was 'not really that bad'.
I did not hear these first hand, but trust the source.

Title: SSPX priests sermon - condemning our family for Bp. W Confirmation
Post by: 1st Mansion Tenant on March 12, 2013, 09:55:20 PM
We are saving up to take our family members to be Confirmed by  +W as well, hopefully this winter or next spring when everyone who needs to be Confirmed is prepared. We will probably have to drive for many hours, but it will be worth it. I dare our local priests to tell us there is something wrong with it. He was expelled from an order (undeservedly) not excommunicated. The Sacraments he gives are just as valid now as they were the day before his official expulsion. I think the hierarchy must be running scared if they are impelling priests to act in such a rabid manner towards longtime chapel attendees and their families.
Title: SSPX priests sermon - condemning our family for Bp. W Confirmation
Post by: For Greater Glory on March 12, 2013, 10:38:29 PM
bvmknight,
      My daughter reminded me of the Fr. Doran incident. Maybe if more of the laity would seek justice in court, they might think twice about bashing the people unjustly at Mass.


Also, my heart goes out to you and your family. I can't go into what happened at my chapel, but I felt before God, I must leave. Since October, I've only been at Mass 3 times (holy priests at independent chapels) hard to travel. Otherwise I stay at home, read Mass prayers and pray rosaries. Very hard at first, because I want to go to Mass, but I'm beginning to see that this is the cross Our Lord is asking me to carry.  I would like to go to the St. Joseph's Altar(SSPX)  and see friends, but I really don't want to upset anyone. I've done enough of that in the past. Will certainly pray for you and your family. :pray: