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klasG4e · « **on:** November 25, 2018, 12:43:10 AM »

At 3:38 in: "We can say at this point in the history of the school that every single graduate has gone on to higher education, either to a college, uh..has received a religious vocation, or has joined the military to serve their country. [Serving a government is not synonymous with serving a country.] We're very proud of that and it is a legacy and ... I... I...It is a legacy which will continue at Our Lady of Sorrows."

The reality belies the official narrative/myth pushed by Uncle Sam (who, of course, would never lie to us) that young people sign up in the military to "serve their country." That whopper may have actually been the truth for many, and perhaps even most, of the enlistees at the time of the World Wars, but it generally bears little resemblance to the reality today. Even today's dumbed down youth aren't that stupid!

Aside from that, why be proud of the fact that SSPX grads are enlisting in our monstrously over-bloated widow/widower/orphan making unjust, immoral, illegal wars machine leviathan? We may rightfully feel compassion or even pity for someone who joins this money making (for the industrial/banking war complex) machine, especially when done so for reasons not entirely of their own making, but feeling proud of the fact that they have tossed in their lot in with the strong arm of America's criminal cryptocracy should not be cause of pride, but rather sorrow. At least Our Lady of Sorrows would know that.

Mr G · « **Reply #1 on:** November 25, 2018, 06:31:16 AM »

More news from OLOS School. From an e-mail:

Dear Friends,

In the history of the Catholic Church, no worthwhile undertaking has found an easy road to success. Our Lord tests the commitment of the workers to their cause, He purifies their motives by preventing the pride that comes from facile success, and He bestows his choicest blessings by means of participation in His cross. Though painful, such occurrences furnish a real opportunity for establishing the work more solidly on its supernatural foundations.

Our Lady of Sorrows Academy, a K-12 school of the Society of St. Pius X in Phoenix, Arizona, has recently been experiencing such a challenge. Having opened its doors in 2003, OLOSA saw fifteen years of more or less steady growth and enjoyed a degree of financial well-being not usually known to small traditional Catholic schools. This year, however, on account of a painful division between some parents and the administration, we find our student body cut nearly in half and our expenses far outweighing our income.

We are confident that OLOSA will emerge from this crisis stronger than ever. Already, we have much of what we need to thrive. Most importantly, we have a dedicated and skilled group of teachers led by their new principal, Fr. Pedersen. We have parents who are dedicated to providing their children with a truly traditional Catholic education. We have six priests and two religious brothers residing on campus. We have the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, the traditional sacraments, and the traditional teaching of the faith. It is worth noting that we have begun to grow again, welcoming a few new students since the start of the academic year in August.

Nevertheless, we are dreadfully lacking one thing, and that is money. Several air conditioners (a real necessity in Phoenix!) in our classrooms had to be replaced recently, a significant addition to our usual maintenance costs. Our students need exercise, too, and we had to make costly upgrades to our sports field to keep it from returning to the desert, while our outdoor basketball hoops are in almost comically bad shape. The greatest necessity, of course, is paying our teachers a decent wage for all their hard work and self-sacrifice in the cause of Catholic education.

At the moment, our largest annual fundraiser, the OLOSA Jog-a-thon, is underway. Would you consider making a one-time donation or sponsoring a runner (perhaps the rector, who is not built for distance running?) by pledging per lap? The actual Jog-a-thon will take place on November 21, and donations can be made at the following web address: https://olosa-jogathon.azurewebsites.net/

If you are unable to assist us monetarily at this time, please do so by your prayers. Thank you for supporting traditional Catholic education in Phoenix. God bless you.

Yours gratefully in Christ,

J.M. McFarland+
Rector
Our Lady of Sorrows Academy

Ekim · « **Reply #2 on:** November 26, 2018, 05:38:26 AM »

Hey KlasG...how long have you served on active duty? What branch of the military were / are you in?

Bilbo · « **Reply #3 on:** November 26, 2018, 09:44:44 AM »

Quote from: klasG4e on November 25, 2018, 12:43:10 AM

At 3:38 in: "We can say at this point in the history of the school that every single graduate has gone on to higher education, either to a college, uh..has received a religious vocation, or has joined the military to serve their country. [Serving a government is not synonymous with serving a country.] We're very proud of that and it is a legacy and ... I... I...It is a legacy which will continue at Our Lady of Sorrows."

I know for a fact that there are students who graduated from OLOS that have not gone to college, received a religious vocation or gone into the military... so this statement is false.

klasG4e · « **Reply #4 on:** November 26, 2018, 11:15:13 AM »

Quote from: Ekim on November 26, 2018, 05:38:26 AM

Hey KlasG...how long have you served on active duty? What branch of the military were / are you in?

4 years and 15 days; U.S.M.C.; a little over a year as enlisted and the rest as a commissioned officer who served in a combat infantry platoon in Vietnam. How about yourself?

songbird · « **Reply #5 on:** November 26, 2018, 03:23:24 PM »

Between parents and administration division: I can understand and I would be on the parents side, home schooling.

Ekim · « **Reply #6 on:** November 26, 2018, 04:46:22 PM »

KlasG then you should know better than anybody that many, if not all who are in our Volunteer Malitia do so to serve their country. They do so with pride and with honor.

Please don’t take the liberty to speak for the intentions of all of us who serve and continue to serve in uniform; Or for the intelligence of the young men and woman who enlist to wear the uniform of the United States of America.

You have / had your own experience in uniform and by all means have the right to your opinion. But please don’t take the liberty to speak for the many men and women who make great sacrifices so that you can sit behind your keyboard pontificating in your warm, safe home.

Me? I have spent the last 19+ years SERVING as a military officer and obviously disagree with MUCH of what you posted. I find some of it pompous and much of it arrogant.

I learned many years ago from a very good Priest that before you say anything you should ask yourself:
1) Is it true?
2) Is it kind?
3) Does it need to be said?

Your post fails all three points.

Mary Help of Christians...Pray for us!

klasG4e · « **Reply #7 on:** November 26, 2018, 09:27:41 PM »

Quote from: Ekim on November 26, 2018, 04:46:22 PM

KlasG then you should know better than anybody that many, if not all who are in our Volunteer Malitia do so to serve their country. They do so with pride and with honor.

Please don’t take the liberty to speak for the intentions of all of us who serve and continue to serve in uniform; Or for the intelligence of the young men and woman who enlist to wear the uniform of the United States of America.

You have / had your own experience in uniform and by all means have the right to your opinion. But please don’t take the liberty to speak for the many men and women who make great sacrifices so that you can sit behind your keyboard pontificating in your warm, safe home.

Me? I have spent the last 19+ years SERVING as a military officer and obviously disagree with MUCH of what you posted. I find some of it pompous and much of it arrogant.

I learned many years ago from a very good Priest that before you say anything you should ask yourself:
1) Is it true?
2) Is it kind?
3) Does it need to be said?

Your post fails all three points.

Mary Help of Christians...Pray for us!

Ekim, you sound like a typical lifer who has bought into our government's official flag waving myth. A typical company man who accuses me, a tradional Catholic and strong Catholic patriot of speaking falsely, of pontificating. Well, just what in the world do you think you're doing? You're pontificating/pushing the government line/myth.

No doubt, your moral posturing (even calling in "a very good Priest") will win you some support here. You think what I say is not true, is not kind, and doesn't need to be said. OK, fair enough. I just happen to disagree with you and very strongly at that.

Military recruiters lie/manilpulate through their teeth consistently in order to get people to enlist. It's been that way for ages. If the youth just wanted to go and sign up to "serve their country" all that lying and manipulating would not go on.

Living in the military is like living in a closed echo chamber where you get to all reinforce each other about how patriotic you are and how you are protecting us all and fighting for democracy and freedom. It's a sick reality (I was once a part of it), but the people living it rarely even recognize the sickness for what it is.

I have no doubt you may may feel pride about "serving your country," but that doesn't mean you actually are serving your country in a good way. (I would have no more pride in my son or daughter signing up for the military than I would if they signed up for marriage to a non-Catholic. In case you never noticed the military is a hugely anti-Catholic entity.) People in the Mafia take pride in themselves and their own criminality.

19 years in the military! Have you ever once seriously considered the fact that you and a lot of people like you may have actually served your country in a bad way, an extremely bad way. A two time medal of honor winner actually did consider this question and wrote a book about it. You would do well to read it. It is just as true today, if not more so, than when he wrote it. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Is_a_Racket The full free version of the book can be found on line.

You and others may love to wrap yourself in the flag and look at billboards of the flag that say things like "These colors never run." But actually the colors have run -- and run big time from various countries we have decimated and then left behind.

The military is a cover-up operation on many fronts. Are you proud of that? Are you proud of the fact that you and others like you can't go around and openly speak about who really did 9-11? (And you can't go around and openly condemn sodomy even though Sacred Scripture does.) The military was ordered to stand down on 9-11 and no officer or lifer who valued their career would ever dare to go around and openly speak about who actually did 9-11. The silence within the military ranks to this monstrous crime of 9-11 has been deafening! Do you take pride in being part of this silence; or do you look at people and tell them with a straight face that 19 Arabs carried out 9-11 and that Bin Laden was the mastermind?! I think you know as well as I do that if you had exercised your freedom of speech concerning 9-11 and actually spoke the truth about it you would never have lasted 19 years in the military. This silence has contributed immensely to the slaughter our military has carried out on the other side of the world. As a long time officer in the military are you proud of your silence and the silence of others in the military? You would have been kicked out of the military for being a subversive if you spoke the truth about 9-11, but instead you have chosen to be complicit in the slaughter of countless innocent people.

You've invested 19 years of your life in a corrupt/degenerate/bloated/wasteful/murder machine and you and many others like you can't even see it for what it is. You may thump your chest with others and feel all puffed up about being in the military while "serving" your country. Fine. My worlds here probably won't change the way you feel about yourself and the military. Go on believing all the military madness you want to. One day you may just come to realize the difference between true Catholic patriotism and the evil falsification of it; a falsification of it which manifests itself in the military and by those outside the military who nevertheless feel subservient to it.

Nadir · « **Reply #8 on:** November 26, 2018, 10:03:47 PM »

Quote from: Mr G on November 25, 2018, 06:31:16 AM

We are confident that OLOSA will emerge from this crisis stronger than ever. ......

Nevertheless, we are dreadfully lacking one thing, and that is money. Several air conditioners (a real necessity in Phoenix!) in our classrooms had to be replaced recently, a significant addition to our usual maintenance costs. Our students need exercise, too, and we had to make costly upgrades to our sports field to keep it from returning to the desert, while our outdoor basketball hoops are in almost comically bad shape.

It's comical alright! SInce when in the history of the Catholic religion was air conditioning a necessity to the spread of the faith? These people live in Fool's Paradise. They want comfort and luxury not Faith.

BTNYC · « **Reply #9 on:** November 26, 2018, 11:36:40 PM »

Quote from: Ekim on November 26, 2018, 04:46:22 PM

KlasG then you should know better than anybody that many, if not all who are in our Volunteer Malitia do so to serve their country. They do so with pride and with honor.

Please don’t take the liberty to speak for the intentions of all of us who serve and continue to serve in uniform; Or for the intelligence of the young men and woman who enlist to wear the uniform of the United States of America.

You have / had your own experience in uniform and by all means have the right to your opinion. But please don’t take the liberty to speak for the many men and women who make great sacrifices so that you can sit behind your keyboard pontificating in your warm, safe home.

Me? I have spent the last 19+ years SERVING as a military officer and obviously disagree with MUCH of what you posted. I find some of it pompous and much of it arrogant.

I learned many years ago from a very good Priest that before you say anything you should ask yourself:
1) Is it true?
2) Is it kind?
3) Does it need to be said?

Your post fails all three points.

Mary Help of Christians...Pray for us!

In a nutshell:

> KlasG, how dare you opine on the actions of the US Military if you've never served in the military yourself!
> Oh, you have served. Whoops. Well... How dare you look at the matter so objectively!
> You should "know better" than to speak about the military with anything at all other than treacly, sentimental platitudes!
> Your right to voice your opinion is safeguarded by our brave military's tampering in the affairs of other sovereign nations, creating power vacuums to be filled by bloodthirsty Mohammedan terror groups, arming and supporting those terror groups as proxy warriors against another sovereign nation's rightful leader, causing a flood of displaced Mohammedan savages to pour into Europe so they can rape and terrorize our spiritual and ethnic brethren in their very homelands, AND causing the extinction of the oldest Christian culture in the Middle East. Ingrate!
> Your words insult the sacrifices made by our military's brave men and women (Yes, women, you sexist!), and (depending on what the top brass says) transgendered persons!
> If you can't say anything nice about the enforcing arm of the Globalist Oligarchy, don't say anything at all!
> I'm deeply offended by your pompous and arrogant post, and I'm going to demonstrate how wrong you are by not making any substantive rebuttal to the points you've raised!
> I've been a serving military officer or two decades, so I know better than anyone that our armed forces are NOT the enforcing arm of globalist oligarchs... after all, for most of those two decades, my commanders-in-chief were George W. Bush and Barrack Hussein Obama, and there's nothing remotely globalist or oligarchic about those fine men!

You know, if not for his post count, and the fact that I recall seeing his name on the forum from some years back, I'd be tempted to think that "Ekim" was a parody account set up for the express purpose of proving KlasG4e's points.

klasG4e · « **Reply #10 on:** November 27, 2018, 12:30:40 AM »

Quote from: klasG4e on November 26, 2018, 09:27:41 PM

19 years in the military! Have you ever once seriously considered the fact that you and a lot of people like you may have actually served your country in a bad way, an extremely bad way. A two time medal of honor winner actually did consider this question and wrote a book about it. You would do well to read it. It is just as true today, if not more so, than when he wrote it. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Is_a_Racket The full free version of the book can be found on line.

If the little book is too much for you to read Ekim, perhaps you can at least read this:
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/02/laurence-m-vance/what-else-will-they-learn-in-the-military/

What Else Will They Learn in the Military?
By Laurence M. Vance
February 20, 2018

A conservative writer is upset that high school and college kids never read the Constitution, can’t name the first president, don’t know what the stripes on the flag mean, don’t recite the Pledge of Allegiance any more, don’t pay attention when the National Anthem is played, and don’t “understand the costs of freedom paid by millions of men and women who served in the military.”

Ah, the military.

The writer is also upset about school truancy, illiteracy, out-of-wedlock births, drug addiction, welfare, the lack of common sense, direction, critical thinking skills, loyalty to the United States, and excessive texting.

But just as disturbing as all of this is the writer’s proposed solution:

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In order to give America’s youth a head start on their lives and help them figure out what line of work interests them, we need to incorporate a two-year mandatory service in either the military’s five branches of Marine Corps, Navy, Army, Air Force and Coast Guard, or civilian work in Ameri-Corps. Every red-blooded American at the age of 18 must enlist in the military or civilian work corps. If they opt for college, they must enter the military or civilian work corps immediately after college for two years.
They could fulfill their national commitment in a combat arms if they feel like a warrior. Or, if they lack the tenacity of combat arms, it takes 10 support personnel in supply, food, hospital, mechanics, etc, to facilitate that combat troop, but could still enjoy the discipline of serving in the military.
In the military, they learn job skills, duty, honor, country. They learn to respect our flag and our country. They learn how to conduct themselves in a free country.
If they feel like civilian work, they funnel into Ameri-Corps where they learn valuable trades in order to work in the outside world.

But what else will they learn in the military?

In the military, they will learn a number of valuable skills, far more than they would learn in AmeriCorps. Things like:

How to make widows and orphans.
How to recite filthy cadences.
How to support a network of brothels around the world.
How to obey orders unconditionally.
How to die in vain, for a lie, or for a mistake.
How to be part of the president’s personal attack force.
How to invade other countries.
How to occupy other countries.
How to intervene in other countries.
How to get free meals at restaurants
How to view lots of porn and get paid for it.
How to get a girl pregnant on a navy ship.
How to fight foreign wars.
How to kill on command.
How to learn to convince themselves that they are role model and public servants.
How to torture people to get them to say what you want them to say.
How to transport insurgents and detainees to torture-friendly countries.
How to enforce no-fly zones—in other countries.
How to carry out an aggressive, reckless, and belligerent U.S. foreign policy.
How to not have an independent thought.
How to get people to practically worship the ground you walk on.
How to fight an unnecessary war.
How to make everyone think you are a hero.
How to go where they have no business going.
How to kill civilians and dismiss it as collateral damage.
How to make people thank you for your service.
How to get discounts at businesses.
How to destroy foreign industry, culture, and infrastructure.
How to unleash sectarian violence.
How to fight wars that have never been constitutionally declared.
How to take sides in a cινιℓ ωαr.
How to die a senseless death.
How to create terrorists, insurgents, and enemies of the United States.
How to get their name on a wall or a memorial.
How to spread democracy at the point of a gun.
How to fight an unjust war.
How to get their limbs or genitals blown off.
How to carry out drone strikes that miss their targets.
How to enforce UN resolutions.
How to be a policeman—of the world.
How to break things.
How to blow things up.
How to kill foreigners.
How to fight a senseless war.
How to get PTSD.
How to die for the military/industrial complex.
How to get a traumatic brain injury.
How to neglect their families.
How to fight an immoral war.
How to make Americans less safe.
How to get hooked on pain medication.
How to rebuild infrastructure in other countries after destroying it.
How to bomb other countries.
How to maim and disable foreigners.
How to get suicidal.
How to change their gender at taxpayer expense.
How to really learn to curse like a sailor.
How to launch a preemptive strike.
How to be a pawn in the hands of Uncle Sam.
How to engage in offense and call it defense.
How to serve the state.
How to be a global force for evil.

Many of these things are valuable skills that they can use after their military service—if they want to harass and harm Americans while wearing the uniform of a cop, a DEA agent, a TSA agent, or an ICE agent.

Mandatory service and national commitment are simply polite terms for national slavery. I thought conservatives believed in the Constitution? The last time I checked, the Thirteenth Amendment still read: “Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.”

I can’t think of a worse decision a young person could make than to join the military.

Ekim · « **Reply #11 on:** November 27, 2018, 03:11:00 AM »

KlasG, I will continue to serve with pride alongside the many men and woman who wear the uniform of this great nation. Rest assured of my prayers.

...and PS: Don’t believe everything you see and read on the internet.

OVER

klasG4e · « **Reply #12 on:** November 27, 2018, 12:09:07 PM »

Quote from: Ekim on November 27, 2018, 03:11:00 AM

KlasG, I will continue to serve with pride alongside the many men and woman who wear the uniform of this great nation.

Yup, serving "with pride alongside the many men and woman who wear the uniform of this great nation." Yeah, I'm sure you will. Carry on.

Degrelle · « **Reply #13 on:** November 27, 2018, 12:53:05 PM »

It wasn't the powerful American army, but the more humble and poorly equipped Canadian army, but I too served as an infantry officer for about four years (Deo gratias I got out not long after 9/11 and before our nations invaded Afghanistan). I remember with fondness many aspects of military life and I believe I learned many valuable things. Service as a solider is, in and of itself and in a vacuum, an honourable profession.

HOWEVER, that said, I would not allow any of my sons (let alone daughters) join the army now that I know what I know. I was Novus Ordo when I was in the army. As a Traditionalist Catholic, I do not see any way that a man could voluntarily serve morally in any modern Western military. This is not an attack on the soldiers, but on what the politicians use them to do ("make the world safe for democracy") and also on what today's soldiers are subjected to in the moral realm is just not tolerable ... all the trans/gαy propaganda, being forced to serve in mixed units, all the immorality of life, the constant blasphemy, etc.

claudel · « **Reply #14 on:** November 27, 2018, 01:11:25 PM »

Quote from: Ekim on November 27, 2018, 03:11:00 AM

KlasG, I will continue to serve with pride alongside the many men and woman who wear the uniform of this great nation. Rest assured of my prayers.

...and PS: Don’t believe everything you see and read on the internet.

One of the very first things on the Internet suitable to be disbelieved—especially in the sense of "be regarded with appalled incredulity"—is the full extent of Ekim's intellectual and moral shamelessness. As BTNYC observed, Ekim has been smugly flogging his self-aggrandizing grift of lifer "service" and "devotion to duty" and "self-sacrifice" for as long as he's been commenting here. Never, of course, has Ekim addressed the suggestion that there just might be something a tiny bit dicey about devoted service to a regime whose masters' objects are to make the Cross of Christ an official artifact of hate and to render all other human beings' God-given hopes for peace in their time an utter nullity.

Five or so years ago, when I was still so innocent (i.e., self-deluded) as to think that people read a blog like this for the same reasons that I had begun to—i.e., to learn a thing or two and get themselves back on track in areas where they had inadvertently gone off the rails—I responded to Ekim's standard-issue blowhardism with a somewhat politer version of klasG4e's pointed but apt rebuke just above. I was actually surprised that I got a carbon copy of his most recent sanctimonious reply, but at least the experience opened my eyes somewhat.

In contrast, Ekim's eyes are screwed shut, and with darn little prompting he'll tell you at length how proud he is that they are! Odd, isn't it, how pride, Lucifer's great virtue,* is a word and a concept in the forefront of lifers' critique of all who fail to share their enthusiasm for feeding from the government's teat? Note, too, how his insistence on his pride marches in lockstep with his insistence that the United States is a great nation. Would to heaven he spent half as much time working to persuade his viciously immoral masters that they try to make this a Christianly good nation rather than a Judaically great one!

If pressed, I might admit that I would no longer bet even a dime that Ekim prioritizes the City of God over the City of Man (i.e., a USA run by the lineal descendants of the feral mob in Pilate's courtyard). Put otherwise, if he is not actually a conscious disinformation agent, he merits an Oscar for his performance in that category. As such, he ought to have a care to remove the plank from his own eye before instructing others to remove the speck from theirs.

By the way, I too am a Vietnam veteran (medical corpsman; later, division preventive medicine specialist, Fourth Infantry Division, Pleiku). In fact, this is almost the end of my fiftieth anniversary year of that particular "service." May I add that I thank the good Lord every day that, whatever and however grave my failings and regrets of that year, they do not include serving [ahem] to shorten anyone else's corporeal life.
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