Author Topic: SSPX priest retreat: families should have no more than 5 or 6 children (Read 9644 times)

Telesphorus · « **on:** August 18, 2013, 09:40:09 AM »

Matthew · « **Reply #1 on:** August 18, 2013, 01:00:01 PM »

The real bombshell is right after that part --

The part about Sister Benedicta, a recent convert from a conservative Novus Ordo convent. All she knew was a stack of 15 CDs of Archbishop Lefebvre sermons, then she went to a retreat with Fr. Schmidberger. (If you're thinking "this is going to be good", you're right!)

Sure enough, she was wondering if she was in the right place. Fr. Schmidberger and the sermons by Abp. Lefebvre were at complete odds. In fact, Fr. Schmidberger's speech was virtually the same as the speech of her conservative Novus Ordo priest who took care of her convent before she converted.

If more people knew this story, our Resistance Mass centers would be packed!

Telesphorus · « **Reply #2 on:** August 18, 2013, 01:30:30 PM »

Father Schmidberger sounding like a liberal isn't anything new.

However, telling the priests in retreat that they don't want trad families to have more than 5 or 6 children shows the reality that many people have picked up in only bits and pieces and seems hard to believe: they are betraying the Catholic family, they don't believe or support the Catholic family. It's not just an abstract theological problem that some people might not understand so easily: it's very concrete, they don't want large families. Just as they don't want early marriage. Earlier in the talk Father Pfeiffer speaks of marrying (at the end of the month he will) a young couple that the SSPX has refused to marry and has been sending pathetic messages to Father Pfeiffer and Ortiz to try to stop himn.

Because they lust for control and money, and Catholic families are secondary.

Anyone who has followed this forum for months and can't see why there's a resistance probably doesn't have a sense of what it means to be a Catholic.

Tiffany · « **Reply #3 on:** August 18, 2013, 01:45:25 PM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

Father Schmidberger sounding like a liberal isn't anything new.

However, telling the priests in retreat that they don't want trad families to have more than 5 or 6 children shows the reality that many people have picked up in only bits and pieces and seems hard to believe: they are betraying the Catholic family, they don't believe or support the Catholic family. It's not just an abstract theological problem that some people might not understand so easily: it's very concrete, they don't want large families. Just as they don't want early marriage. Earlier in the talk Father Pfeiffer speaks of marrying (at the end of the month he will) a young couple that the SSPX has refused to marry and has been sending pathetic messages to Father Pfeiffer and Ortiz to try to stop himn.

Because they lust for control and money, and Catholic families are secondary.

Anyone who has followed this forum for months and can't see why there's a resistance probably doesn't have a sense of what it means to be a Catholic.

Replace large with strong.. young marriage strong families - communities - children of great faith who mature to adults.

Matto · « **Reply #4 on:** August 18, 2013, 03:12:56 PM »

How does this man think the additional children that would normally come in a healthy marriage will be avoided?

Telesphorus · « **Reply #5 on:** August 18, 2013, 03:15:50 PM »

Quote from: Matto

How does this man think the additional children that would normally come in a healthy marriage will be avoided?

Oh, it's very simple. They will promote NFP and they will discourage women from marrying when they're young.

It's part of the "branding" - cash flow maximization. They don't want trads to look like "nutters."

Of course, what they probably really want is 3-4 children per family, but they can't very well say that to a priests retreat. 5-6 children still sounds like "big family" - it doesn't injure people's sensibilities too much: but in supporting that they destroy the principle of opposition to contraception.

Tiffany · « **Reply #6 on:** August 18, 2013, 03:21:05 PM »

I don't think this is new Tele. They have only rejected parts of feminism for many years.

Matto · « **Reply #7 on:** August 18, 2013, 03:22:48 PM »

I have heard that many of the traditional Catholic groups abuse NFP. The SSPX, the SSPV and the CMRI included. Though I have never heard a priest give a sermon about it and since I am not married I have never gotten any advice about it from an SSPX priest so I have no firsthand experience.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #8 on:** August 18, 2013, 03:23:23 PM »

Quote from: Tiffany

I don't think this is new Tele. They have only rejected parts of feminism for many years.

There real attitudes aren't new but the breakdown of opposition to limiting childbirths among the mass of laity is fairly recent.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #9 on:** August 18, 2013, 03:25:22 PM »

Quote from: Matto

I have heard that many of the traditional Catholic groups abuse NFP. The SSPX, the SSPV and the CMRI included. Though I have never heard a priest give a sermon about it and since I am not married I have never gotten any advice about it from an SSPX priest so I have no firsthand experience.

Yes. But this goes beyond letting things slide.

This is HOSTILITY to the Catholic family.

ggreg · « **Reply #10 on:** August 18, 2013, 03:33:28 PM »

He also says at 43 mins that Bishop Williamson is giving "demonic advice" to priests when he tells SSPX priests to stay put unless they have the financial means to support themselves.

Looks to me like Fr. Pfeiffer is an impossibly difficult man to satisfy. How will the resistance stay together much less ordain priests, and perform confirmations, if even Bishop Williamson is "giving demonic advice"?

Where is the first hand evidence of Fr. Schmitberger saying what is quoted in the title of this thread? Fr. Pfeiffer is hardly an unbiased witness and basement dwellers are famous for taking quotes out of context to justify their nutty positions.

I am curious to know, what you think it looks like,when a priest goes off the deep end? Because even if an Angel appeared from Heaven and told me Pfeiffer was theologically correct, I would still think practically his resistance was a house of cards when he finds Williamson to be a compromiser. How will Pfeiffer get along with anyone if he finds Williamson to be dishing out demonic advice?

It is interesting that the resistance in the UK is spearheaded by former members of the National Front, and the International Third Position, a politically insignificant party that has had a long history of splits, internal rancour, coups and huge financial problems, lawsuits, embezzlement.

If Bishop Fellay is smart he will let those resistance priests go, rid himself of the loonies and watch them split into fragments, exactly like the nine did and the Sedevacantists have. With the SSPX out of the way, they will only have each other to vent their spleens on. It won't take long for them to being attacking (resisting) each other.

You should listen to a recent Dan Carlin podcasts on the Anabaptists of Munster, just Google it. It parallels the resistance very well and you can see all the same sorts of rancour, attack, calumnies, anger coming out.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #11 on:** August 18, 2013, 03:39:35 PM »

While I agree Father Pfeiffer spoke too strongly against Bishop Williamson there, let's not forget that St. Peter was called Satan.

If SSPX priests do what conservative priests did when the crisis began, then it will lead to disaster.

Of course, it doesn't surprise me that we have 70% pro-Israel poster unwilling to stay away and ridiculing and mocking the resistance here.

What Father Pfeiffer is saying is corroborated by what many SSPX laity have said about excuses being made for birth control.

Quote from: Angelia

In my own chapel we have regular faithfuls that comes to Mass not dressed properly. Women wear slacks and no sleeves and no veils. Even their daughters do not wear veils. We have people that comes because their parents comes. You can find young man sitting in the sacristy away from public sight, either texting on hp or dozing off during sermons.

Fr. Couture told me that our chapel has the most number of children in the Asia Region. You think that is great news..until you know that there is one 1 family with 10 kids and the rest of the family are mostly 1 or 2, the closest is a 5.

Fr. Couture had said to me personally that what we want is quality not quantity. No wonder we barely have any families having big families. It is simply not encouraged.

The coordinator told me to seek the advice of the priest for having so many kids. Her comment was, we don't have to be like rabbits.

Well, in Phillipines even wives of Knight of Our Lady has their tube ligated.

Like what Fr. Chazal says people are not having kids anymore. This is not people in general but in Traditional Catholic Circles.

What a surprise the character who blames trad men for their women using contraception is calling resistance nutty and extremist.

ggreg · « **Reply #12 on:** August 18, 2013, 04:25:17 PM »

But I am not spearheading the resistance.

Someone leading the resistance needs to be circuмspect in their language when speaking in public. Especially when someone is videoing you and going to stick it on YouTube. Did he learn nothing from Williamson's h0Ɩ0h0αx comments.

Has Bishop Fellay ever used the adjective "demonic" or anything as strong, when describing Bishop Richard Williamson?

I wonder how Bishop Williamson feels about his prudential, pastoral, advice to SSPX priests being called "demonic advice" by Fr. Pfeiffer? After all if the resistance does destroy itself in short order, or find it is financially unsustainable, then those priests are up sh!t creek without a paddle.

Maybe in the same spirit of prudence Bishop Williamson might decide that supporting the resistance's figurehead who are ready in their anger and zeal to throw out terms like "demonic advice", is not the swansong he wants for his life's work.

Frances · « **Reply #13 on:** August 18, 2013, 05:20:22 PM »

+Williamson won't lose any sleep over Fr. Pfeiffer's comments. You wouldn't, either, Gregg, if you knew him. :dancing-banana:

Frances · « **Reply #14 on:** August 18, 2013, 05:55:51 PM »

:pray:The "fight" is for the Faith. It isn't about Fr. Pfeiffer or Bishop Williamson, or any other fallible human being. Both have the continuance of the Catholic faith at heart, despite disagreements, weaknesses, faults, and personal sins. Our place is to pray for them, support them in so far as we can, practically and in conscience. When personal, not doctrinal, flaws reveal themselves in our leaders, our role is to pray, firstly, then secondly, perhaps to point it out in a spirit of charity. If we tear Fr. Pfeiffer apart, how are we any better than those who slam the Resistance on the basis of persons and personalities?