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Re: SSPX Priest Publicly Smashes Fr. Paul Robinson's (SSPX) Book
« Reply #50 on: November 19, 2018, 09:55:34 AM »
They're clearly going to continue censoring any reviews on Angelus Press.  So, the solution is to hit them where they CAN'T censor: 

I'm actually surprised that the amazon rating is as high as it is.  


Re: SSPX Priest Publicly Smashes Fr. Paul Robinson's (SSPX) Book
« Reply #51 on: November 19, 2018, 10:27:24 AM »
(1) ...To believe that cosmology proves the existence of a creator and then to attribute to this creator the properties of the Creation as a person is to make an illegitimate inference, to commit a category fallacy.
(2) .... Such a God cannot (and should not) serve the purpose of faith, because, being a God proved by cosmology he [or it] should be at the mercy of cosmology. ’
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[1] Marcello Pera: The god of theologians and the god of astronomers, as found in The Cambridge Companion to Galileo, Cambridge University Press, 1998, pp.378, 379.
Pera is an atheist, and the points in the passage you quote are standard atheist objections to the proofs for the existence of God. Why would you quote this (and paste it to other forums) in apparent approval?

The first (1) passage is saying that the proofs for the existence of God only get you to Deism. There are many answers to this, but one is scope - proofs of existence shouldn't be expected to do more than prove existence.

The second (2) passage is saying if God is known by reason, then God is not an object of faith. That is a more central issue. Catholics say that reason can know things, and specifically, it is a dogma of the Catholic faith that reason without revelation can know that God exists. The Church doesn't say that every human gets there, nor has the Church dogmatically defined that any specific proof is valid.

So in practice, God is an object of faith for people (most people) who do not fully grasp a proof for existence of God from reason. And even for those who do fully grasp a proof for existence, the proofs don't necessarily get at everything we know about God from revelation, which still remains an object of faith.


Re: SSPX Priest Publicly Smashes Fr. Paul Robinson's (SSPX) Book
« Reply #52 on: November 19, 2018, 10:38:25 AM »
When one has to CENSOR comment rather than challenge the content of that comment, this places that lot as no better than any anti-Catholic group.
Interesting. You say censorship is anti-Catholic.
Does that also apply to putting "downvotes" on old posts that criticise the rotten arguments of geocentrists?

Re: SSPX Priest Publicly Smashes Fr. Paul Robinson's (SSPX) Book
« Reply #53 on: November 19, 2018, 11:37:38 AM »
Interesting. You say censorship is anti-Catholic.
Does that also apply to putting "downvotes" on old posts that criticise the rotten arguments of geocentrists?
Maybe you can tell us what the "rotten arguments" were.  By the way Stan, are there any good arguments for geocentrism and if so what are they?

Re: SSPX Priest Publicly Smashes Fr. Paul Robinson's (SSPX) Book
« Reply #54 on: November 19, 2018, 02:09:49 PM »
Pera is an atheist, and the points in the passage you quote are standard atheist objections to the proofs for the existence of God. Why would you quote this (and paste it to other forums) in apparent approval?

The first (1) passage is saying that the proofs for the existence of God only get you to Deism. There are many answers to this, but one is scope - proofs of existence shouldn't be expected to do more than prove existence.

The second (2) passage is saying if God is known by reason, then God is not an object of faith. That is a more central issue. Catholics say that reason can know things, and specifically, it is a dogma of the Catholic faith that reason without revelation can know that God exists. The Church doesn't say that every human gets there, nor has the Church dogmatically defined that any specific proof is valid.

So in practice, God is an object of faith for people (most people) who do not fully grasp a proof for existence of God from reason. And even for those who do fully grasp a proof for existence, the proofs don't necessarily get at everything we know about God from revelation, which still remains an object of faith.

Pera may be an atheist but he hit the nail on the head here above. The Big Bang is atheism's ROCK. Pius XII, tried to make an atheist rock Catholic dogma. Big Bang is the mother of all evolution therories. For me evolution is nonsense. To match God with nonsense when we have direct creation by God as revealed in Genesis is a betrayal of tradition, no matter who says it is not.