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Re: SSPX Priest Publicly Smashes Fr. Paul Robinson's (SSPX) Book
« Reply #20 on: November 09, 2018, 04:24:48 PM »
https://sspx.org/en/media/video/mission-nigeria-29898 where he would have to write on the blackboard 100 times a day until thoroughly memorized what is found here: http://sspx.org/en/sspx-on-geocentrism-press-release-galileo-heliocentric-solar-system-bible-divino-afflatu-spiritu-providentissimus-deus

Quoting SSPX on geocentrism:

'So Catholics should not use the Bible to assert explanations about natural science, but may in good conscience hold to any particular cosmic theory. Being faithful to the Church’s magisterium, the Society of St. Pius X holds fast to these principles: no more and no less.'

It is perfectly clear to me that a society of priests claiming to be true to tradition, haven't a clue with regard to the historical Galileo affair. Their ignorance is shocking and should be confronted with a few facts about the religion the profess.

'Being faithful to the Church’s magisterium' they state, 'Catholics should not use the Bible to assert explanations about natural science.' Would that they tell us where the Church's 'magisterium' teaches us this. It is usually attributed to Cardinal Baroneous (1538 to 1607) to make it look Catholic, but in fact it was the Protestant Georg Joachim Rheticus (1514-1574) who coined this 'Church's magisterium' post-Galileo 'dogma.'

‘Before he left Varmia in 1541 [when Baronius was 3-years-old] Rheticus had composed his own small tract to demonstrate the absence of conflict between heliocentrism and the Bible…. He went on to make a distinction that is still part of the faith-science dialogue: In the Bible the Holy Spirit’s intention, declared Rheticus, is not to teach science but to impart spiritual truths “necessary for Salvation.” Moreover, whatever descriptions of nature that do appear in the Scriptures, they are “accommodated to the popular understanding.”’---Dennis Danielson: The First Copernican, Walker & Co., 2006, p.108

Why even the Protestants used this new dogma long ago:

‘The retreat of the Protestant theologians was not difficult. A little skilful warping of Scripture, a little skilful use of that time-honoured phrase, attributed to Cardinal Baronius, that the Bible is given to teach us, not how the heavens go, but how men go to heaven, and a free use of the explosive rhetoric against the pursuing army of scientists, sufficed.’ ----Andrew White, A History...

But now back to the main issue. The Galileo case was not about 'natural science' as the SSPX puts it, it was about the correct interpretation of Scripture. St Thomas has long stated the Church has no obligation to consider 'natural science' when interpreting Scripture. Its job is to interpret Scripture properly.

The only time the 'Church's magisterium' was used as regards the subject matter was when Pope Paul V in 1616 decreed the Scripture reveal an orbiting sun as the TRUE MEANING OF SCRIPTURE. This had NOTHING to do with the science of it. The Church does not DEFINE MATTERS OF NATURAL SCIENCE, only dogmas of the Catholic faith. It was defined BEFORE any scientific claim was proven as to whether the sun orbits the Earth or the other way around.

Once Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ fooled churchmen that the earth orbits the sun, there began IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH THE GALILEAN REFORMATION. ANYTHING said by popes after 1835 on the matter WAS INFLUENCED BY THEIR ERERONEOUS BELIEF THAT HELIOCENTRISM WAS PROVEN. Nothing after 1616 can be attributed to the 'Church's magisterium,' only to false utterences by popes that the SSPX now consider their 'Church's magisterium.'

Finally, read the SSPX statement again above. 'So Catholics should not use the Bible to assert explanations about natural science.' NO BUT IT IS OK FOR CATHOLICS TO USE SCIENCE TO REINTERPRET THE SCRIPTURES. Human science is not infallible like Pope Paul V's interpretation of Scripture, it is VERY FALLIBLE. As it turned out scientific heliocentrism was found NEVER TO HAVE BEEN PROVEN. Did the SSPX never hear of Albert Einstein? In 1905 he told the world the true order of the universe is a METAPHYSICAL matter.

OH IF ONLY THE SSPX COULD SEE THE LIGHT. COPY THIS AND GIVE IT TO THEM.

I will address their references to biblical encyclicals tomorrow.

Offline JoeZ

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Re: SSPX Priest Publicly Smashes Fr. Paul Robinson's (SSPX) Book
« Reply #21 on: November 09, 2018, 05:17:04 PM »
If I may make a suggestion here for Cassini, perhaps you should post a review of Fr Robinson's book on the Angelus Press site and support Fr Rusak in it.


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Re: SSPX Priest Publicly Smashes Fr. Paul Robinson's (SSPX) Book
« Reply #22 on: November 09, 2018, 06:12:30 PM »
If things ever get rough for Fr. Rusak, he can always contact Bishop Zendejas. If he doesn't have the Bishop's contact info, he can always get in touch with me (matthew at cathinfo dot com) and I'll be glad to help.

Re: SSPX Priest Publicly Smashes Fr. Paul Robinson's (SSPX) Book
« Reply #23 on: November 09, 2018, 10:59:29 PM »
If I may make a suggestion here for Cassini, perhaps you should post a review of Fr Robinson's book on the Angelus Press site and support Fr Rusak in it.

The most useful suggestion one might make to Cassini is that he stop acting on the assumption that nonsensical and false statements acquire sense and truth when they are set in FULL CAPS or larger type.

Pope Paul V did not make the infallible statement on heliocentrism that the people who Cassini fronts for claim he (Paul V) did. A mere declaration by eleven cardinals—a declaration, moreover, that was pointedly not directed toward Galileo or toward anything Galileo wrote* and that partook of no active papal involvement—cannot wrap itself in the cloak of infallibility with the equivalent of a wink and a nod. Furthermore, Cassini's oft-repeated claim that all the subsequent popes either directly served or indirectly cooperated with Satanic Masonic forces pushing heliocentrism is nothing short of formal blasphemy.
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*Cf. the letter to that effect that Paul V directed Cardinal Bellarmine to give to Galileo.

Re: SSPX Priest Publicly Smashes Fr. Paul Robinson's (SSPX) Book
« Reply #24 on: November 10, 2018, 12:20:34 AM »
If things ever get rough for Fr. Rusak, he can always contact Bishop Zendejas. If he doesn't have the Bishop's contact info, he can always get in touch with me (matthew at cathinfo dot com) and I'll be glad to help.
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It would seem the question is more a matter of WHEN things get rough, not "if."