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SSPX Priest Publicly Smashes Fr. Paul Robinson's (SSPX) Book
« on: November 07, 2018, 01:43:56 PM »
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  • In an amazing act of strong and courageous public admonishment Fr. Gerard Rusak of the SSPX has leveled a blistering critique of the recently published book, The Realist Guide to Religion and Science by fellow SSPX Priest Fr. Paul Robinson.  It was actually published this month as a review on the SSPX website wherein the book is being advertised.  Here is the link: https://angeluspress.org/products/the-realist-guide-to-religion-and-science    Once there simply click on Read 14 reviews to see the actual review which I have pasted below.

    Failure to consider all the evidence
    Father Gerard Rusak, FSSPX, Nov 2018

    While Father Robinson excels on philosophical points in the first six chapters of his book (1 star), he accepts the unproven hypotheses of the Big Bang (with its long ages needed for evolution) and he rashly embraces heliocentrism. Meanwhile, he brushes aside those who do not agree with him using insufficient arguments (see below). His interpretation of the Bible is more in accord with a liberal interpretation of Vatican II's Dei Verbum #11 rather than with the traditional teaching of the Church on the inerrant nature of Holy Scripture. This allows him to pick and choose among facts related in the book of Genesis and elsewhere in the Bible. He also ignores the longstanding the decrees of the Church against Galileo and the unanimous teaching of the Fathers of the Church these same questions. On these last issues, his insufficient arguments have been completely refuted by a book by Robert Sungenis: "Scientific Heresies and Their Effect on the Church" (564 pages).

    I thank the Angelus Press in advance for posting this review and request them to add to their list of books the above book of Robert Sungenis so that both sides of the question may be heard. Or should they not wish to do so, to withdraw Father Robinson's book from sale from this their website.
    I may add that I know other SSPX priests and faithful like myself who are shocked at the publication of this book for at least some if not all, of the above reasons.

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    Re: SSPX Priest Publicly Smashes Fr. Paul Robinson's (SSPX) Book
    « Reply #1 on: November 07, 2018, 08:30:57 PM »
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  •  :applause:
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    Re: SSPX Priest Publicly Smashes Fr. Paul Robinson's (SSPX) Book
    « Reply #2 on: November 07, 2018, 09:54:36 PM »
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  • I hope Fr Rusak likes warm weather, its great this time of year in Nigeria.  

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    Re: SSPX Priest Publicly Smashes Fr. Paul Robinson's (SSPX) Book
    « Reply #3 on: November 07, 2018, 11:30:21 PM »
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  • I hope Fr Rusak likes warm weather, its great this time of year in Nigeria.  

    https://sspx.org/en/media/video/mission-nigeria-29898 where he would have to write on the blackboard 100 times a day until thoroughly memorized what is found here: http://sspx.org/en/sspx-on-geocentrism-press-release-galileo-heliocentric-solar-system-bible-divino-afflatu-spiritu-providentissimus-deus

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    Re: SSPX Priest Publicly Smashes Fr. Paul Robinson's (SSPX) Book
    « Reply #4 on: November 08, 2018, 01:09:50 AM »
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    I hope Fr Rusak likes warm weather, it's great this time of year in Nigeria.  
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    ...you left out the part about having to go evangelize the baboons...
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    Re: SSPX Priest Publicly Smashes Fr. Paul Robinson's (SSPX) Book
    « Reply #5 on: November 08, 2018, 01:19:31 AM »
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  • https://sspx.org/en/media/video/mission-nigeria-29898 where he would have to write on the blackboard 100 times a day until thoroughly memorized what is found here: http://sspx.org/en/sspx-on-geocentrism-press-release-galileo-heliocentric-solar-system-bible-divino-afflatu-spiritu-providentissimus-deus
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    The first link contains this sentence:  "The priests of the Society spare no effort to come to the relief of sous."
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    Is that French for something, "sous?" 
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    Second link says (Platte City, MO is the seat of the District Superior of the USA, no?):
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    The SSPX on geocentrism: press release

    What is the SSPX's position concerning the heliocentric and geocentric scientific theories of the solar system?

    PLATTE CITY, MO (8-30-2011) A recent news report implied that the Priestly Society of St. Pius X promotes the scientific theory of geocentrism as a Catholic teaching based upon the Bible. The SSPX holds no such position.

    The Church’s magisterium teaches that Catholics should not use Sacred Scripture to assert explanations about natural science, but may in good conscience hold to any particular cosmic theory. As a religious congregation of the Catholic Church, the SSPX holds to these principles and does not teach any solar scientific theory.



    The SSPX and the solar system

    As declared by Pope Leo XIII in Providentissimus Deus, science cannot contradict the Faith:

            There can never… be any real discrepancy between the theologian and the physicist, as long as
         each confines himself within his own lines, and both are careful, as St. Augustine warns us, 'not to
         make rash assertions, or to assert what is not known as known.'"

    Even today, many commonly-held tenets of natural science are merely theories, not certainties. This is not the case with the Catholic Faith, which is a certainty.

    The Church’s magisterium authoritatively teaches on the correct interpretation of Sacred Scripture. As Pope Pius XII taught in Divino Afflatu Spiritu:

         The Holy Ghost, Who spoke by them [the sacred writers], did not intend to teach men these things—that
         is the essential nature of the things of the universe... [which principle] will apply to cognate sciences…"

    Providentissimus Deus also states that Scripture does not give scientific explanations and many of its texts use “figurative language” or expressions “commonly used at the time”, still used today “even by the most eminent men of science” (like the word “sunrise”). Such expressions are not scientific teachings about the cosmic world.

    So Catholics should not use the Bible to assert explanations about natural science, but may in good conscience hold to any particular cosmic theory. Being faithful to the Church’s magisterium, the Society of St. Pius X holds fast to these principles: no more and no less.



    Further reading



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    Re: SSPX Priest Publicly Smashes Fr. Paul Robinson's (SSPX) Book
    « Reply #6 on: November 08, 2018, 01:45:28 AM »
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    Found on the first link above:
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    Re: SSPX Priest Publicly Smashes Fr. Paul Robinson's (SSPX) Book
    « Reply #7 on: November 08, 2018, 01:57:53 AM »
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    It seems to me that there is room in the world for a book authored by Fr. Gerard Rusak. What say you? 
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    Re: SSPX Priest Publicly Smashes Fr. Paul Robinson's (SSPX) Book
    « Reply #8 on: November 08, 2018, 02:19:24 AM »
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    Further reading



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    The linked article is authored by Jason Winschel, a parishioner of the SSPX chapel in Carnegie, PA.
    He is not a scientist, but an academic with degrees in History and Poli Sci.
    And that is precisely how the article reads.
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    From the note at the end of the article:
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    Jason T.J.J. Winschel and wife Tina are the parents of four boys. He holds degrees in History and Political Science from the University of Pittsburgh. He teaches History at the middle and high school levels in the North Allegheny School District. He and his family attend the Latin Mass at Our Lady of Fatima Catholic Church in Carnegie, PA.
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    « Reply #9 on: November 08, 2018, 10:15:42 AM »
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    Further reading



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    The linked article is authored by Jason Winschel, a parishioner of the SSPX chapel in Carnegie, PA.
    He is not a scientist, but an academic with degrees in History and Poli Sci.
    And that is precisely how the article reads.
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    From the note at the end of the article:
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    Jason T.J.J. Winschel and wife Tina are the parents of four boys. He holds degrees in History and Political Science from the University of Pittsburgh. He teaches History at the middle and high school levels in the North Allegheny School District. He and his family attend the Latin Mass at Our Lady of Fatima Catholic Church in Carnegie, PA.

    Robert Sungenis details his encounter with The Angelus concerning Winschel's Octobert 2003 cover story article in his book Galileo Was Wrong: The Church Was Right. The shorter version of this sorry affair is found in footnote 149 on p. 99 of Sungenis' more recent book which Fr. Rusak refers to in his review -- Scientific Heresies and Their Effect on the Church wherein it states: "On another occasion ....Jason Winschel, wrote an article for the SSPX magazine, The Angelus, titled, Galileo, Victim or Villain," for the October 2003 issue.  A few months after the article was published, I approached the editor of The Angelus and asked if he would allow us to write a rebuttal for othe sake of fairness.  He declined, even after an appeal."
    Jason Winschel doing his thing as a public school teacher: https://www.northallegheny.org/Page/7300



    • Name: Jason Winschel
      Email: jwinschel@northallegheny.org
       
      Grade: 9
      Room Number: 403
      Subject(s): Honors European History, American History

       

      Class(es)/Course(s): Honors European History, American History
       
      District Activities I Sponsor/Coach: Middle School Cross Country, Track and Field; High School Table Tennis Club

      Biography: (1973-?)

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    Re: SSPX Priest Publicly Smashes Fr. Paul Robinson's (SSPX) Book
    « Reply #10 on: November 08, 2018, 10:27:51 AM »
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  • About 7 years ago when he was the SSPX pastor at Our Lady of the Rosary Church in Winnipeg Fr. Rusak bravely hosted a presentation/talk on geocentrism by Robert Sungenis for the SSPX faithful.  During Sungenis' visit Fr. Rusak also set up a debate on geocentrism at the U. of Manitoba with Sungenis who easily won -- by a count from the audience itself who by the way was fairly hostile to Sungenis at the beginning of the debate and throughout a good part of it.


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    « Reply #11 on: November 08, 2018, 06:28:48 PM »
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  • I have no real interest in Fr. Robinson's book, or in Fr. Rusak's responses, although I think I would probably agree with Fr. Rusak. But of immense interest would be Fr. R's immediate future.  Will he keep his present assignment, or will he be sent to some African country,... or worse, will he be driven from the Society altogether?  We all know how the former regime treated dissident priests.  Does the change in leadership signal a greater tolerance and a change of direction?  Or will it simply be more of the same some kind of harsh treatment meted out to Fr. Rusak?  We're all standing by.

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    « Reply #12 on: November 08, 2018, 07:45:18 PM »
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  • I have no real interest in Fr. Robinson's book, or in Fr. Rusak's responses, although I think I would probably agree with Fr. Rusak. But of immense interest would be Fr. R's immediate future.  Will he keep his present assignment, or will he be sent to some African country,... or worse, will he be driven from the Society altogether?  We all know how the former regime treated dissident priests.  Does the change in leadership signal a greater tolerance and a change of direction?  Or will it simply be more of the same some kind of harsh treatment meted out to Fr. Rusak?  We're all standing by.

    Very good question.  Let's keep track of Father Rusak.

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    « Reply #13 on: November 08, 2018, 10:22:42 PM »
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    Very good question.  Let's keep track of Father Rusak.
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    If he were here, Fr. Rusak would most likely ask for our prayers.  :pray:
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    « Reply #14 on: November 08, 2018, 10:29:52 PM »
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  • About 7 years ago when he was the SSPX pastor at Our Lady of the Rosary Church in Winnipeg Fr. Rusak bravely hosted a presentation/talk on geocentrism by Robert Sungenis for the SSPX faithful.  During Sungenis' visit, Fr. Rusak also set up a debate on geocentrism at the U. of Manitoba with Sungenis, who easily won -- by a count from the audience itself who, by the way, was fairly hostile to Sungenis at the beginning of the debate and throughout a good part of it.
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    The things you learn on CI -- where else would one find this explained? Certainly not the Angelus or sspx.org .
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    So he has a record of going against the grain in the Society. Therefore, he is slated for consequences. 
    The iron fist of Menzingen cannot abide with dissidents; they've proved that much, if anything.
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