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Re: SSPX Priest Publicly Smashes Fr. Paul Robinson's (SSPX) Book
« Reply #60 on: November 25, 2018, 08:13:19 PM »
Pera may be an atheist but he hit the nail on the head here above. The Big Bang is atheism's ROCK. Pius XII, tried to make an atheist rock Catholic dogma. Big Bang is the mother of all evolution therories. For me evolution is nonsense. To match God with nonsense when we have direct creation by God as revealed in Genesis is a betrayal of tradition, no matter who says it is not.
Pera is making atheist arguments. These arguments are typically made in regard to what is called the "cosmological argument", which is a broad term for arguments for the existence of God using the principles of causality or contingency.  I'm assuming the parts in [ ] were your insertions - if so, he may not be talking about cosmology in the sense of galaxies or the Big Bang.

Re: SSPX Priest Publicly Smashes Fr. Paul Robinson's (SSPX) Book
« Reply #61 on: November 26, 2018, 01:39:05 PM »
Pera is making atheist arguments. These arguments are typically made in regard to what is called the "cosmological argument", which is a broad term for arguments for the existence of God using the principles of causality or contingency.  I'm assuming the parts in [ ] were your insertions - if so, he may not be talking about cosmology in the sense of galaxies or the Big Bang.

The quote I used is out of the book The Cambridge Companion to Galileo, Cambridge University Press, 1998.  It is in in his chapter The God of theologians and the god of astronomers. An Apology of Bellarmine.

In it he quotes Pope Pius XII and John Paul II and lots more.

That said Stanley, isn't it about time you set out your beliefs? Are you a Big Bang evolution heliocentrist, or just like to ask question?


Re: SSPX Priest Publicly Smashes Fr. Paul Robinson's (SSPX) Book
« Reply #62 on: November 26, 2018, 03:18:35 PM »

It looks as if Sungenis is becoming the go to guy for all questions on creation and geocentrism. House theologian and scientist.

Can we say that geocentrism has become a generalized belief in SSPX and its many offshoots?

Re: SSPX Priest Publicly Smashes Fr. Paul Robinson's (SSPX) Book
« Reply #63 on: November 26, 2018, 03:40:19 PM »
In order to understand these 17th-century events, it is worthwhile to take a step back and understand the state of cosmology at that time. The Church and much of Europe, since at least the 13th century, had adopted an Aristotelian cosmology. The works of Aristotle had been reintroduced into Europe, in Latin, and were eventually integrated into Church teaching.

Aristotle’s view of the cosmos was the source of the geocentric (earth-centered) view of the universe. The earth was immobile. The center of the earth is where all matter was drawn, to where things naturally moved. The sun, moon, planets, and stars all revolved around the earth on celestial spheres. The moon and beyond was a realm of eternal, changeless perfection, while the domain of matter was subject to change and decay. Aristotle’s view of the cosmos was integrated into Christian theology finding concord with such passages that indicate the earth is stationary (Psalm 75:3; 93:1; 96:10; 119:90; 1Chronicles 16:30) and that the sun moves (Joshua 10). In the second century, Ptolemy developed a model of the geocentric cosmos that would explain the observed motions of planets. The combination of an explanatory model for astronomical observations and the imprimatur of the Church made the geocentric view the only rational and acceptable view of the universe for over 300 years.

Finally, let us consider what lessons can be drawn from the Galileo affair. When studying history, one must always be careful not to fall into the trap of anachronism, judging events in the past through the lens of the knowledge and sensibilities of the present. When considering the heliocentric debate in context, the evidence available, and the consensus of the time, it was reasonable to support the Aristotle's geocentric view. Another form of temporal snobbery we should avoid is condemning the Church for how it exercised its authority. The following observation can be stated about that period:

“The early seventeenth century was a time of growing absolutism in Europe, in both religious and political terms. The freedom to express dangerous ideas was as unlikely to be defended in Protestant Geneva as in Catholic Rome. The idea that a stable society could be built on general principles of free speech was defended by nobody at the time, and police and judicial constraints were therefore inevitable realities.” The church in the 17th century was an absolutist institution defending its complete power over the interpretation of scripture in faith, morals, and the physical universe. Who would expect it not to? Do we see the church today defending its rights over nuclear science? Or relativity? Or the physical measurement of the speed of light?

The modern scientific world was coming into being in the 17th century and human beings, being what they are, have a very hard time in accepting change (as shown here with many minds still in the 17th century).

Re: SSPX Priest Publicly Smashes Fr. Paul Robinson's (SSPX) Book
« Reply #64 on: November 26, 2018, 07:33:09 PM »

Can we say that geocentrism has become a generalized belief in SSPX and its many offshoots?

Not with the leadership.  Their official policy (according to Fr. Beck who oversaw the SSPX schools in the U.S.) has been to teach heliocentrism and not geocentrism.  A few years ago the SSPX had a cover story in the Angelus magazine endorsing geocentrism.  And now the SSPX is going bonkers promoting and selling Fr. Paul Robinson's book The Realist Guide to Religion and Science.  This book if you haven't noticed has been covered a lot in recent days on CathInfo.  The book is chock full of modernism and pushes Big Bang and heliocentrism to the max.  If that's what the King likes well no one is stopping you.  That's certainly what nearly all Conciliar Catholics have bought into.

Please consider this linked article though before you throw in your lot with the atheistic establishment and the Conciliar Church which loves Big Bang, heliocentrism, the frog to prince fairy tale, and only a selective inerrancy of Sacred Scripture. https://www.scripturecatholic.com/geocentrism/