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Re: SSPX priest moves 2023
« Reply #30 on: May 28, 2023, 07:20:21 AM »
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    • Quote from: StMichaelDefendUs on May 16, 2023, 08:06:20 AM
    A thread to track SSPX priest movements this year.

    1. Fr. Robert Brucciani (District Superior of Great Britain) moving to Menzingen.

    His new role is to help the General House in “administration”, but it’s more than that. It’s principally to learn German. English by birth, with an Italian grand-father hence the surname, and schooled in France. This move is to prepare him for the episcopal consecrations slated for next year.


    Ite, Missa est. “Mass is ended; go in peace.” For the small band of the Remnant in various Mass centres in India existing from 1986 onwards, A Brucciani plan has brought about the "Ite, Missa est". Of course there can be no peace when the Mass is made scarce.
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    Re: SSPX priest moves 2023
    « Reply #31 on: May 28, 2023, 07:41:55 AM »
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    • Quote from: Plenus Venter on May 27, 2023, 10:15:34 PM
    Your hopes will be in vain, Texana! It is custom throughout all the seminaries of the SSPX and was established by Archbishop Lefebvre. I know it was certainly in use in France before the Council. Wikipedia says Rome first approved it in 1922. We'd best not let that debate derail this thread...

    Yes, it passed for "traditional" simply because the experimental dialogue Masses (hatched clandestinely in secrecy in monastic modernist liturgical congresses, under the protection of modernist bishops who came out of hiding in the wake of the death of Pope St. Pius X and the suppression of the Sodalitium Pianum) pre-dated the council.  Of course, its principles are thoroughly modernist, and more developed, are found in the Novus Ordo (e.g., extending banter between priest and faithful; extending the liturgical action beyond the sanctuary; blurring the distinction between the ministerial priesthood and the priesthood of the faithful; assigning to the faithful a liturgical function; etc, etc).

    It was always an incoherent experience to be learning in Liturgy I class the subversive nature, agenda, and methods of the modernist liturgists promoting the dialogue Mass, but then saying the dialogue Mass every Saturday (as though we were supposed to disconnect our intellectual formation from our liturgical formation).  Weird.

    +Lefebvre did not grasp that the dialogue Mass was the first step to the complete overhaul of the Roman rite (Just as +Vigano says of Pius XII and the modified Holy Week/Pentecost).  It set the table for tinkering, the 1951-1955 changes to Holy Week/Pentecost, and finally the Novus Ordo.
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    Re: SSPX priest moves 2023
    « Reply #32 on: May 28, 2023, 12:38:33 PM »
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    • I did not make it to Mass today as I am fighting sciatica (lots of pain being offered up!) but my friend sent me a letter from the prior of the church in Calgary outlining the re-assignments. Quebec gets Father LeRoux as we know. I doubt that will be a good influence on the neoSSPX throughout this country. We lose one of the more solid priests who actually preached against Vatican II and the of the crisis. He leaves Alberta after 15 years to go to Toronto.

    Father Jules Belisle goes to Calgary. We are not told where he is coming from but he has been in Calgary in the distant past. This priory will also be receiving a newly ordained priest come the fall. This means our mission chapel will begin having Masses every Sunday and perhaps even major feast days.

    Dialogue Mass infection is present at the Mass on Sunday. These are normally low, with hymn singing. Unfortunately with the influx of FSSPers, the dialoguing has become more entrenched. Time will tell if the general state of affairs gets worse.
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    Re: SSPX priest moves 2023
    « Reply #33 on: May 28, 2023, 09:10:35 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on May 28, 2023, 07:41:55 AM
    +Lefebvre did not grasp that the dialogue Mass was the first step to the complete overhaul of the Roman rite (Just as +Vigano says of Pius XII and the modified Holy Week/Pentecost).  It set the table for tinkering, the 1951-1955 changes to Holy Week/Pentecost, and finally the Novus Ordo.
    Perhaps you are right. But until the Church judges on the matter, forgive me if I hold that Archbishop Lefebvre had a better grasp of modernism and the teaching of Pope St Pius X than you or Carol Byrne! What it may have been used to set the scene for is one thing, what it is in itself is another.
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    Re: SSPX priest moves 2023
    « Reply #34 on: May 28, 2023, 09:15:10 PM »
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    • Quote from: Kazimierz on May 28, 2023, 12:38:33 PM
    I did not make it to Mass today as I am fighting sciatica (lots of pain being offered up!) but my friend sent me a letter from the prior of the church in Calgary outlining the re-assignments. Quebec gets Father LeRoux as we know. I doubt that will be a good influence on the neoSSPX throughout this country. We lose one of the more solid priests who actually preached against Vatican II and the of the crisis. He leaves Alberta after 15 years to go to Toronto.

    Father Jules Belisle goes to Calgary. We are not told where he is coming from but he has been in Calgary in the distant past. This priory will also be receiving a newly ordained priest come the fall. This means our mission chapel will begin having Masses every Sunday and perhaps even major feast days.

    Dialogue Mass infection is present at the Mass on Sunday. These are normally low, with hymn singing. Unfortunately with the influx of FSSPers, the dialoguing has become more entrenched. Time will tell if the general state of affairs gets worse.
    Fr Belisle was certainly a solid priest when I knew him. I hope he still is. I pray God gives you strength to bear the cross, Kaz, and some relief from that terrible pain, at least to let you get to Mass.
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    Re: SSPX priest moves 2023
    « Reply #35 on: May 28, 2023, 10:11:38 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on May 28, 2023, 07:41:55 AM
    Yes, it passed for "traditional" simply because the experimental dialogue Masses (hatched clandestinely in secrecy in monastic modernist liturgical congresses, under the protection of modernist bishops who came out of hiding in the wake of the death of Pope St. Pius X and the suppression of the Sodalitium Pianum) pre-dated the council.  Of course, its principles are thoroughly modernist, and more developed, are found in the Novus Ordo (e.g., extending banter between priest and faithful; extending the liturgical action beyond the sanctuary; blurring the distinction between the ministerial priesthood and the priesthood of the faithful; assigning to the faithful a liturgical function; etc, etc).

    It was always an incoherent experience to be learning in Liturgy I class the subversive nature, agenda, and methods of the modernist liturgists promoting the dialogue Mass, but then saying the dialogue Mass every Saturday (as though we were supposed to disconnect our intellectual formation from our liturgical formation).  Weird.

    +Lefebvre did not grasp that the dialogue Mass was the first step to the complete overhaul of the Roman rite (Just as +Vigano says of Pius XII and the modified Holy Week/Pentecost).  It set the table for tinkering, the 1951-1955 changes to Holy Week/Pentecost, and finally the Novus Ordo.
    Further to my comment above, what I suggest you consider, Sean, is that no one was better placed at the time, and more clearly appointed by God, to make the prudent decisions required in these complex matters at the time those delicate decisions had to be made. Undoubtedly, it was a special mission prepared by God for which ABL was created. We have no more competent authority, nor will we have until the Roman authorities come to their Catholic senses; and until such time it is foolhardy to be changing course in the storm. Ours is a holding action, not necessarily one in which every aberrant decision should be corrected, which may have unforeseen implications for the salvation of souls.
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    Re: SSPX priest moves 2023
    « Reply #36 on: May 28, 2023, 10:56:14 PM »
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    • Quote from: Plenus Venter on May 28, 2023, 10:11:38 PM
    Further to my comment above, what I suggest you consider, Sean, is that no one was better placed at the time, and more clearly appointed by God, to make the prudent decisions required in these complex matters at the time those delicate decisions had to be made. Undoubtedly, it was a special mission prepared by God for which ABL was created. We have no more competent authority, nor will we have until the Roman authorities come to their Catholic senses; and until such time it is foolhardy to be changing course in the storm. Ours is a holding action, not necessarily one in which every aberrant decision should be corrected, which may have unforeseen implications for the salvation of souls.

    No point in arguing with my allies, but I stand by my position.

    Pax tecuм.
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    Re: SSPX priest moves 2023
    « Reply #37 on: May 29, 2023, 04:15:08 AM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on May 28, 2023, 10:56:14 PM
    No point in arguing with my allies, but I stand by my position.

    Pax tecuм.
    Indeed, we are that, Sean! Et cuм spiritu tuo!
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