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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: StMichaelDefendUs on May 16, 2023, 08:06:20 AM
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A thread to track SSPX priest movements this year.
1. Fr. Robert Brucciani (District Superior of Great Britain) moving to Menzingen.
His new role is to help the General House in “administration”, but it’s more than that. It’s principally to learn German. English by birth, with an Italian grand-father hence the surname, and schooled in France. This move is to prepare him for the episcopal consecrations slated for next year.
2. Fr. David Sherry (District Superior of Canada) moving to London.
His new role will be District Superior of Great Britain. Ireland is still a sub-district of Great Britain. Irish by birth, Fr. Sherry had spent time in Ireland prior to his departure for Canada. The idea behind this move is to counter Bp. Ballini in Ireland by making him D.S. of both GB and IRE. The thinking is that Irish traditionalists would be more accepting of an Irish D.S.
Fr. Francois Laisney is “Menzingen’s Man” in London who was sent to oversea this transition.
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3. I was told that Fr. Le Roux was being transferred to Menzingen, and replaced by Fr. Goldaddy as American seminary rector (but I do not see this posted anywhere, so take it FWIW).
He would likely be on the SSPX’s short list for episcopal consecration, so it would make sense.
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Looks like the SSPX's politburo is bringing their most trusted team members to headquarters to prepare for some big changes.
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Father Yves le Roux, currently Rector of St. Thomas Aquinas Seminary in Dillwyn, Virginia, USA, will take charge of the District of Canada on December 31st, 2023.
3. I was told that Fr. Le Roux was being transferred to Menzingen, and replaced by Fr. Goldaddy as American seminary rector (but I do not see this posted anywhere, so take it FWIW).
He would likely be on the SSPX’s short list for episcopal consecration, so it would make sense.
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Why would you transfer the seminary rector during the middle of an academic year?
Whatever happened to the web page that showed all the SSPX priest assignments? Last copy I can find online is form like 3-4 years ago ...
https://sspx.org/en/priests-assignments-us-district-2018-2019
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Why would you transfer the seminary rector during the middle of an academic year?
If you reflect upon that idea, the answer might come to you. I’m going to PM you.
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A thread to track SSPX priest movements this year.
1. Fr. Robert Brucciani (District Superior of Great Britain) moving to Menzingen.
His new role is to help the General House in “administration”, but it’s more than that. It’s principally to learn German. English by birth, with an Italian grand-father hence the surname, and schooled in France. This move is to prepare him for the episcopal consecrations slated for next year.
2. Fr. David Sherry (District Superior of Canada) moving to London.
His new role will be District Superior of Great Britain. Ireland is still a sub-district of Great Britain. Irish by birth, Fr. Sherry had spent time in Ireland prior to his departure for Canada. The idea behind this move is to counter Bp. Ballini in Ireland by making him D.S. of both GB and IRE. The thinking is that Irish traditionalists would be more accepting of an Irish D.S.
Fr. Francois Laisney is “Menzingen’s Man” in London who was sent to oversea this transition.
I'm following this to see if the prophecies come true or not.
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It might make the transition easier if the new rector can observe how the job is done under normal conditions, then take over during a short break in the academic year.
Why would you transfer the seminary rector during the middle of an academic year?
Whatever happened to the web page that showed all the SSPX priest assignments? Last copy I can find online is form like 3-4 years ago ...
https://sspx.org/en/priests-assignments-us-district-2018-2019
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I'm following this to see if the prophecies come true or not.
Why do you think prophecy is necessary today, when before there was transparency?
:popcorn:
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Why would you transfer the seminary rector during the middle of an academic year?
Whatever happened to the web page that showed all the SSPX priest assignments? Last copy I can find online is form like 3-4 years ago ...
https://sspx.org/en/priests-assignments-us-district-2018-2019
I know. Ever since after 2020, current SSPX priest assignments have not been posted. I second SeanJohnson on the transparency aspect of the situation. I understand that things have to be planned carefully, but action needs to be carried out at appropriate times as well without appearance of deception.
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I know. Ever since after 2020, current SSPX priest assignments have not been posted. I second SeanJohnson on the transparency aspect of the situation. I understand that things have to be planned carefully, but action needs to be carried out at appropriate times as well without appearance of deception.
To deceive people like Sean? :popcorn:
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To deceive people like Sean? :popcorn:
Good luck.
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A tangled web they weave when they practice to deceive.
And who shall reap the spoils,
of Huonder's unholy oils,
to deprive what what can see,
of sacramental validity.
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A tangled web they weave when they practice to deceive.
And who shall reap the spoils,
of Huonder's unholy oils,
to deprive what what can see,
of sacramental validity.
Yes, I would be very ill at ease if I were SSPX faithful in Europe faced with the prospect of not receiving valid Extreme Unction as I neared death ... depending on whether the priest came equipped with Huonder oils. While the priest could give you valid absolution and Holy Viaticuм, the validity of Extreme Unction depends on valid holy oils, and great graces come with that Sacrament to assist the dying.
This is the great responsibility of those SSPX superiors. If Catholics pass away without the Sacrament and some perhaps end up losing their souls because they were not fortified by its graces, it's all on them and they'll be held accountable for this. WHY PLAY POLITICS WHEN THE STAKES ARE SO HIGH? We should be "tutiorist" where it comes to the salvation of souls. And let's get it straight that this is all about politics, where they can't admit positive doubt because Rome would not appreciate it.
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Yes, I would be very ill at ease if I were SSPX faithful in Europe faced with the prospect of not receiving valid Extreme Unction as I neared death ... depending on whether the priest came equipped with Huonder oils. While the priest could give you valid absolution and Holy Viaticuм, the validity of Extreme Unction depends on valid holy oils, and great graces come with that Sacrament to assist the dying.
This is the great responsibility of those SSPX superiors. If Catholics pass away without the Sacrament and some perhaps end up losing their souls because they were not fortified by its graces, it's all on them and they'll be held accountable for this. WHY PLAY POLITICS WHEN THE STAKES ARE SO HIGH? We should be "tutiorist" where it comes to the salvation of souls. And let's get it straight that this is all about politics, where they can't admit positive doubt because Rome would not appreciate it.
Precious little comfort to the souls that are lost !
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Precious little comfort to the souls that are lost !
That wasn't my point. I was expressing my disbelief that politics could be involved when the stakes for souls is so high.
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I wasn't disagreeing with you.
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I know. Ever since after 2020, current SSPX priest assignments have not been posted. I second SeanJohnson on the transparency aspect of the situation. I understand that things have to be planned carefully, but action needs to be carried out at appropriate times as well without appearance of deception.
when our current priest was transferred to our parish last year, he said he found out from a bulletin.
This could just be partly due to administrative incompetence.
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A tangled web they weave when they practice to deceive.
And who shall reap the spoils,
of Huonder's unholy oils,
to deprive what what can see,
of sacramental validity.
That's very good Kaz!
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Yes, I would be very ill at ease if I were SSPX faithful in Europe faced with the prospect of not receiving valid Extreme Unction as I neared death ... depending on whether the priest came equipped with Huonder oils. While the priest could give you valid absolution and Holy Viaticuм, the validity of Extreme Unction depends on valid holy oils, and great graces come with that Sacrament to assist the dying.
This is the great responsibility of those SSPX superiors. If Catholics pass away without the Sacrament and some perhaps end up losing their souls because they were not fortified by its graces, it's all on them and they'll be held accountable for this. WHY PLAY POLITICS WHEN THE STAKES ARE SO HIGH? We should be "tutiorist" where it comes to the salvation of souls. And let's get it straight that this is all about politics, where they can't admit positive doubt because Rome would not appreciate it.
Well put, Ladislaus. That sums it up. What will it take to make these priests stand up and fight?
We'd better bring this thread back on track: SSPX priest moves 2023: May 2023 be the year they all move their mouths to cry wolf and defend their flocks from the very real danger to souls now in the heart of the SSPX. Fathers, you have a grave responsibility!
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Looks like the SSPX's politburo is bringing their most trusted team members to headquarters to prepare for some big changes.
Liberals all.
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Father Yves le Roux, currently Rector of St. Thomas Aquinas Seminary in Dillwyn, Virginia, USA, will take charge of the District of Canada on December 31st, 2023.
Am I the only one to see the significance of this?
Fr. Le Roux was transferred to STAS in Winona, MN **FROM CANADA** for the start of the August 2003 academic year. It was to be the last few months of my seminary experience. I only made it 3 months under Fr. Le Roux.
So he's being sent BACK to Canada after exactly 20 years at the helm of the American seminary?
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Am I the only one to see the significance of this?
Fr. Le Roux was transferred to STAS in Winona, MN **FROM CANADA** for the start of the August 2003 academic year. It was to be the last few months of my seminary experience. I only made it 3 months under Fr. Le Roux.
So he's being sent BACK to Canada after exactly 20 years at the helm of the American seminary?
Dear Matthew,
Please be so kind as to explain the significance. I am hoping that the "Dialogue Mass" will leave the seminary with Fr. Le Roux. Could you share your experience? Is he affiliated with GREC? Thank you for any clarification.
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Has the clergy in a monastery or seminary ever responded and participated out loud in some of the prayers at mass before Vat II?
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That's very good Kaz!
A belated thanks :cowboy:
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Am I the only one to see the significance of this?
Fr. Le Roux was transferred to STAS in Winona, MN **FROM CANADA** for the start of the August 2003 academic year. It was to be the last few months of my seminary experience. I only made it 3 months under Fr. Le Roux.
So he's being sent BACK to Canada after exactly 20 years at the helm of the American seminary?
What is Fr. le Roux like? I don't know much about him.
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Has the clergy in a monastery or seminary ever responded and participated out loud in some of the prayers at mass before Vat II?
I don't know, but my guess is that it happened in seminaries before Vatican II to test out the dialogue Mass allowance.
I am not a huge fan of it myself.
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Dear Matthew,
Please be so kind as to explain the significance. I am hoping that the "Dialogue Mass" will leave the seminary with Fr. Le Roux. Could you share your experience? Is he affiliated with GREC? Thank you for any clarification.
Well, the Seminary formation program changed a lot under him, so he's obviously "on board" the changes in the SSPX. He's a company man.
I don't know how much he directly participated in GREC, but it doesn't matter since he has steadfastly promoted an accord/reconciliation with the Conciliar Church.
I just thought it odd that he was sent back to where he started, and after exactly 20 years.
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I am hoping that the "Dialogue Mass" will leave the seminary with Fr. Le Roux.
Your hopes will be in vain, Texana! It is custom throughout all the seminaries of the SSPX and was established by Archbishop Lefebvre. I know it was certainly in use in France before the Council. Wikipedia says Rome first approved it in 1922. We'd best not let that debate derail this thread...
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What is Fr. le Roux like? I don't know much about him.
You can probably find letters he's written on the STAS website, and watch some of his sermons on their YT channel to get a glimpse of what he's like. I imagine some of the more revealing stories about what kind of a man he is would come from priests formed by him. They will have quite a different perspective than what the faithful can get.
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A thread to track SSPX priest movements this year.
1. Fr. Robert Brucciani (District Superior of Great Britain) moving to Menzingen.
His new role is to help the General House in “administration”, but it’s more than that. It’s principally to learn German. English by birth, with an Italian grand-father hence the surname, and schooled in France. This move is to prepare him for the episcopal consecrations slated for next year.
Ite, Missa est. “Mass is ended; go in peace.” For the small band of the Remnant in various Mass centres in India existing from 1986 onwards, A Brucciani plan has brought about the "Ite, Missa est". Of course there can be no peace when the Mass is made scarce.
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Your hopes will be in vain, Texana! It is custom throughout all the seminaries of the SSPX and was established by Archbishop Lefebvre. I know it was certainly in use in France before the Council. Wikipedia says Rome first approved it in 1922. We'd best not let that debate derail this thread...
Yes, it passed for "traditional" simply because the experimental dialogue Masses (hatched clandestinely in secrecy in monastic modernist liturgical congresses, under the protection of modernist bishops who came out of hiding in the wake of the death of Pope St. Pius X and the suppression of the Sodalitium Pianum) pre-dated the council. Of course, its principles are thoroughly modernist, and more developed, are found in the Novus Ordo (e.g., extending banter between priest and faithful; extending the liturgical action beyond the sanctuary; blurring the distinction between the ministerial priesthood and the priesthood of the faithful; assigning to the faithful a liturgical function; etc, etc).
It was always an incoherent experience to be learning in Liturgy I class the subversive nature, agenda, and methods of the modernist liturgists promoting the dialogue Mass, but then saying the dialogue Mass every Saturday (as though we were supposed to disconnect our intellectual formation from our liturgical formation). Weird.
+Lefebvre did not grasp that the dialogue Mass was the first step to the complete overhaul of the Roman rite (Just as +Vigano says of Pius XII and the modified Holy Week/Pentecost). It set the table for tinkering, the 1951-1955 changes to Holy Week/Pentecost, and finally the Novus Ordo.
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I did not make it to Mass today as I am fighting sciatica (lots of pain being offered up!) but my friend sent me a letter from the prior of the church in Calgary outlining the re-assignments. Quebec gets Father LeRoux as we know. I doubt that will be a good influence on the neoSSPX throughout this country. We lose one of the more solid priests who actually preached against Vatican II and the of the crisis. He leaves Alberta after 15 years to go to Toronto.
Father Jules Belisle goes to Calgary. We are not told where he is coming from but he has been in Calgary in the distant past. This priory will also be receiving a newly ordained priest come the fall. This means our mission chapel will begin having Masses every Sunday and perhaps even major feast days.
Dialogue Mass infection is present at the Mass on Sunday. These are normally low, with hymn singing. Unfortunately with the influx of FSSPers, the dialoguing has become more entrenched. Time will tell if the general state of affairs gets worse.
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+Lefebvre did not grasp that the dialogue Mass was the first step to the complete overhaul of the Roman rite (Just as +Vigano says of Pius XII and the modified Holy Week/Pentecost). It set the table for tinkering, the 1951-1955 changes to Holy Week/Pentecost, and finally the Novus Ordo.
Perhaps you are right. But until the Church judges on the matter, forgive me if I hold that Archbishop Lefebvre had a better grasp of modernism and the teaching of Pope St Pius X than you or Carol Byrne! What it may have been used to set the scene for is one thing, what it is in itself is another.
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I did not make it to Mass today as I am fighting sciatica (lots of pain being offered up!) but my friend sent me a letter from the prior of the church in Calgary outlining the re-assignments. Quebec gets Father LeRoux as we know. I doubt that will be a good influence on the neoSSPX throughout this country. We lose one of the more solid priests who actually preached against Vatican II and the of the crisis. He leaves Alberta after 15 years to go to Toronto.
Father Jules Belisle goes to Calgary. We are not told where he is coming from but he has been in Calgary in the distant past. This priory will also be receiving a newly ordained priest come the fall. This means our mission chapel will begin having Masses every Sunday and perhaps even major feast days.
Dialogue Mass infection is present at the Mass on Sunday. These are normally low, with hymn singing. Unfortunately with the influx of FSSPers, the dialoguing has become more entrenched. Time will tell if the general state of affairs gets worse.
Fr Belisle was certainly a solid priest when I knew him. I hope he still is. I pray God gives you strength to bear the cross, Kaz, and some relief from that terrible pain, at least to let you get to Mass.
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Yes, it passed for "traditional" simply because the experimental dialogue Masses (hatched clandestinely in secrecy in monastic modernist liturgical congresses, under the protection of modernist bishops who came out of hiding in the wake of the death of Pope St. Pius X and the suppression of the Sodalitium Pianum) pre-dated the council. Of course, its principles are thoroughly modernist, and more developed, are found in the Novus Ordo (e.g., extending banter between priest and faithful; extending the liturgical action beyond the sanctuary; blurring the distinction between the ministerial priesthood and the priesthood of the faithful; assigning to the faithful a liturgical function; etc, etc).
It was always an incoherent experience to be learning in Liturgy I class the subversive nature, agenda, and methods of the modernist liturgists promoting the dialogue Mass, but then saying the dialogue Mass every Saturday (as though we were supposed to disconnect our intellectual formation from our liturgical formation). Weird.
+Lefebvre did not grasp that the dialogue Mass was the first step to the complete overhaul of the Roman rite (Just as +Vigano says of Pius XII and the modified Holy Week/Pentecost). It set the table for tinkering, the 1951-1955 changes to Holy Week/Pentecost, and finally the Novus Ordo.
Further to my comment above, what I suggest you consider, Sean, is that no one was better placed at the time, and more clearly appointed by God, to make the prudent decisions required in these complex matters at the time those delicate decisions had to be made. Undoubtedly, it was a special mission prepared by God for which ABL was created. We have no more competent authority, nor will we have until the Roman authorities come to their Catholic senses; and until such time it is foolhardy to be changing course in the storm. Ours is a holding action, not necessarily one in which every aberrant decision should be corrected, which may have unforeseen implications for the salvation of souls.
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Further to my comment above, what I suggest you consider, Sean, is that no one was better placed at the time, and more clearly appointed by God, to make the prudent decisions required in these complex matters at the time those delicate decisions had to be made. Undoubtedly, it was a special mission prepared by God for which ABL was created. We have no more competent authority, nor will we have until the Roman authorities come to their Catholic senses; and until such time it is foolhardy to be changing course in the storm. Ours is a holding action, not necessarily one in which every aberrant decision should be corrected, which may have unforeseen implications for the salvation of souls.
No point in arguing with my allies, but I stand by my position.
Pax tecuм.
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No point in arguing with my allies, but I stand by my position.
Pax tecuм.
Indeed, we are that, Sean! Et cuм spiritu tuo!