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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: SSPX Priest Backpedals on Kauffman Case
« Reply #60 on: March 13, 2021, 12:25:50 PM »
You say that Francis Palmquist was known to be a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ by seminary hierarchy and seminarians alike. How do you know this to be true? Please be specific.

Palmquist himself denies it he was a known ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ.  As for Urrutigoity, he was suspected, but the charges were dismissed due to Fr. Morello being a sedevacantist who took about half the seminarians down there with him; Bishop Williamson felt that the allegations were fabricated because Urrutigoity was an ardent opponent of sedevacantism (according to him anyway).

Terrible judgement in the case of Urrutigoity, but to claim that the SSPX ordained "known" ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs is not exactly accurate.  But holligsworth can't look at this issue objectively and has some ax to grind.

Offline jvk

Re: SSPX Priest Backpedals on Kauffman Case
« Reply #61 on: March 13, 2021, 01:38:33 PM »
Thanks for clarifying.  I always wondered about that...(re Bp Williamson, I mean)


Offline Meg

Re: SSPX Priest Backpedals on Kauffman Case
« Reply #62 on: March 13, 2021, 05:54:21 PM »
Palmquist himself denies it he was a known ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ.  As for Urrutigoity, he was suspected, but the charges were dismissed due to Fr. Morello being a sedevacantist who took about half the seminarians down there with him; Bishop Williamson felt that the allegations were fabricated because Urrutigoity was an ardent opponent of sedevacantism (according to him anyway).

Terrible judgement in the case of Urrutigoity, but to claim that the SSPX ordained "known" ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs is not exactly accurate.  But holligsworth can't look at this issue objectively and has some ax to grind.

I agree that the SSPX hasn't knowingly ordained ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs, as far as what can be ascertained from the info we have.

Hollingsworth seems to think that Voris is always accurate and honest in everything he says. But Voris has been shown even in the past to not be accurate and honest. Maybe Hollingsworth is ready to believe anything negative about the SSPX, and he assumes that anything negative about them is true.

Palmquist says in his video that he did mention in confession that he was struggling with same-sex attraction, in thought. But not in deed at that point. The priest who heard his confession should have maybe confronted him on the issue, and maybe he did, but it's not like the priest who heard the confession could tell other SSPX members about it. It is not accurate to say, as Voris did, that the SSPX knew that Palmquist was a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ. It's also not accurate to say that other seminarians in the SSPX knew about Palmquist's ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity. That's why I asked Hollingsworth how it is that he knows this to be true. Eveidently, since Voris says it's true then it MUST be true, in his view. Where's the proof?

The Urritigoity case is more serious of course. Bishop Williamson dropped the ball on that one, but it doesn't look like he knew about Urritigoity's ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity.

Re: SSPX Priest Backpedals on Kauffman Case
« Reply #63 on: March 13, 2021, 09:22:08 PM »
 
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Meg: You say that Francis Palmquist was known to be a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ by seminary hierarchy and seminarians alike. How do you know this to be true? Please be specific.

According to CM’s reporting, Palmquist was known to be a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ from the start, or have strong leanings in that direction. Palmquist basically denies that. But by his own testimony, he went “to the top” of the seminary chain, seeking counsel about his ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ inclinations. Priests in leadership at the seminary must have known, because Palmquist indicates that he went to them and unburdened himself about the matter If you watch his interview with Joseph Sciambra, it is evident that at least two SSPX priests must have known his state- Fr. Le Roux, the rector, and his unnamed spiritual director at the time.

 My Conversation with Former SSPX Priest, Francis Palmquist (I Am Judas Project) | Joseph Sciambra .
If you start around minute 54:00 of that interview, you find Palmquist saying that he went “right to the top.” You find him mentioning people around him who were “annoyed” at him. “They knew about my double life,” he says. His elliptical phrases leave one scratching one’s head. Did only the leaders know about his “double life,” or were the rank and file seminarians also privy to it?

At minute 1:00:50, he asserts that he wasn’t “acting upon” is ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ inclinations. Perhaps not. But Michael Voris, in a written transcript of one Vortex edition, entitled ‘Eternal Rome’ says the following:

Church Militant has spoken with a seminarian who went to school with Palmquist and was hit on by Palmquist once. Likewise, the seminarian knew of multiple complaints from others about Palmquist made to the rector, le Roux.”

Either Voris is flat out lying, or Palmquist is shading the truth. Either Voris actually spoke with a seminarian, who testifies that Palmquist “hit” on him, or he did not. Either “multiple complaints” about Palmquist were brought to le Roux’sattention, or they were not. If you believe Francis Palmquist, then, of course, Voris is flat out lying. I happen to believe that Voris is telling the truth.

But why would he fabricate a story about actually speaking with a seminarian? CM doesn’t intentionally fabricate stories about bishops and priests in the various dioceses around the country. On a daily basis, Voris reports about numbers of them covering up ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ activity and pedophilia abuses, or engaging in them themselves. To my knowledge, none of these diocesan priests or hierarchy has filed a defamation suit against him. They ought to, if they believe themselves to have been slandered. The Society ought to do the same thing. Their pockets are deep enough, I think.

Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: SSPX Priest Backpedals on Kauffman Case
« Reply #64 on: March 13, 2021, 09:58:09 PM »

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According to CM’s reporting,

And there you have lost all credibility...
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How does CM know anything?  Did they have the sspx seminaries bugged, videotaped and wiretapped?  If not, then they know nothing.
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You are committing the sin of calumny, (as is CM and M. Voris) because you have no proof of any wrongdoing.  You should stop immediately.