Author Topic: SSPX preparing Priors for Unilateral deal with Rome (Read 30040 times)

Maria Auxiliadora · « **Reply #105 on:** March 02, 2016, 09:35:21 AM »

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Quote from: Incredulous
So two corrupt gangs merge and legitimize each other.

It's obvious the SSPX has made secret concessions, and that Bp. Fellay has developed his own
"I am trad church!" theology.

However, "Prelature" gives them a good excuse and hiding place for now.

Just a point of distinction; If I understood the priest's remarks in the video he said something similar to "the SSPX will have a jurisdiction that only the Apostles have enjoyed in the history of the Church..." By that, I assume he is referring to an Apostolic Administration with worldwide jurisdiction as opposed to a Personal Prelature.

At what cost? It is obvious from the Comfort Zone interview with +Fellay that if he joins the Modernists, he will be muzzled. The interview should be a warning to +Fellay of the future of the SSPX under Modernists.

Incredulous · « **Reply #106 on:** March 02, 2016, 10:15:10 AM »

Quote from: JPM

Quote from: Incredulous
So two corrupt gangs merge and legitimize each other.

It's obvious the SSPX has made secret concessions, and that Bp. Fellay has developed his own
"I am trad church!" theology.

However, "Prelature" gives them a good excuse and hiding place for now.

Just a point of distinction; If I understood the priest's remarks in the video he said something similar to "the SSPX will have a jurisdiction that only the Apostles have enjoyed in the history of the Church..." By that, I assume he is referring to an Apostolic Administration with worldwide jurisdiction as opposed to a Personal Prelature.

Yes, but doesn't Opus Dei have the same worldwide license built into their Prelature?

Maria Auxiliadora · « **Reply #107 on:** March 02, 2016, 10:22:35 AM »

Conflict Zone, of course.

JPM · « **Reply #108 on:** March 02, 2016, 12:35:13 PM »

Quote from: Incredulous

Quote from: JPM
Quote from: Incredulous
So two corrupt gangs merge and legitimize each other.

It's obvious the SSPX has made secret concessions, and that Bp. Fellay has developed his own
"I am trad church!" theology.

However, "Prelature" gives them a good excuse and hiding place for now.

Just a point of distinction; If I understood the priest's remarks in the video he said something similar to "the SSPX will have a jurisdiction that only the Apostles have enjoyed in the history of the Church..." By that, I assume he is referring to an Apostolic Administration with worldwide jurisdiction as opposed to a Personal Prelature.

Yes, but doesn't Opus Dei have the same worldwide license built into their Prelature?

I believe that is true, yes. I also understand they are the only Personal Prelature in the Church. Campos is an Apostolic Administration but only with jurisdiction in that diocese.

A prelature would be, in some way, subject to diocesan bishops within the jurisdiction (whether a single diocese or worldwide). An Apostolic Administration is subject only to the Pope, and the Apostolic Administrator essentially acts as the "Bishop" of that "Diocese." If I understand the priest in the video correctly, it would be a worldwide "diocese" subject only to the Pope.

By the way, I am not arguing for or against. Just trying to gain some clarity from what the priest said. Since, Opus Dei has worldwide jurisdiction under a Personal Prelature, then the priest's words can only mean (I think) an Apostolic Administration/Personal Ordinariate/Diocese with worldwide jurisdiction, which, quite literally, hasn't been erected since the Apostles.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #109 on:** March 02, 2016, 01:07:20 PM »

Matthew · « **Reply #110 on:** March 02, 2016, 02:06:52 PM »

Ladislaus, I'm disappointed. You're smarter than that.

Are you implying we're all wrong that they're working for a deal? Even with all the latest information about the Priors' meeting, Fr. Vernoy's sermon, etc.?

The writing is on the wall. Like the Fed, the SSPX "projects" their next move so there are no hiccups in the market. You can't really have a true surprise of this magnitude. Anyone paying attention will not be surprised.

The only other way to interpret your post is that you "can't wait" for the SSPX-Rome deal, but that's even more unlikely.

Matthew · « **Reply #111 on:** March 02, 2016, 02:32:35 PM »

I'll see your meme and raise you a half-dozen:

Ladislaus · « **Reply #112 on:** March 02, 2016, 02:42:23 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

Ladislaus, I'm disappointed. You're smarter than that.

Are you implying we're all wrong that they're working for a deal? Even with all the latest information about the Priors' meeting, Fr. Vernoy's sermon, etc.?

LOL. No, it's more a commentary about the rumors of deals being imminent. Haven't there been about a dozen of these already? I know that they are "working" towards a deal, but the "imminent deal" types of rumors are beginning to annoy.

Mostly, though, I was having a little fun with the meme creator.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #113 on:** March 02, 2016, 02:43:55 PM »

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I'll see your meme and raise you a half-dozen:

Love the Boromir meme! -- "One does not simply dismiss ..."

Ladislaus · « **Reply #114 on:** March 02, 2016, 02:57:33 PM »

Ladislaus · « **Reply #115 on:** March 02, 2016, 02:58:33 PM »

HiddenServant · « **Reply #116 on:** March 02, 2016, 04:50:25 PM »

Oops Bp. Fellay did it again ! :applause:

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #117 on:** April 05, 2016, 03:08:06 AM »

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There are Protestant ministers who converted to Catholicism. One is pastor with wife, children and grandchildren of the biggest parishes in the diocese.

Which diocese is this?!

Nj diocese of camden. Cherry hill

Mark 79 · « **Reply #118 on:** April 09, 2016, 03:36:03 PM »

(1) Tomorrow will I hear a sermon about Amoris laetitia?

(2) When the JSPX is absorbed, what happens to the Rothschild-Guttman money?