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Offline Mercyandjustice

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SSPX position on post V2 saints?
« on: July 24, 2015, 02:00:56 AM »
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  • What does the SSPX think of the canonizations of saints after v2? Especially those of JP2 and John 23...if they believe that post v2 popes are in fact popes, wouldn't that make their canonizations infallible?
    Also, to both sedes and sspx, do you seek the prayers of Maximilian Maria Kolbe and Padre Pio? I've noticed some sedes and sspx have great admiration for these two.
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    SSPX position on post V2 saints?
    « Reply #1 on: July 24, 2015, 06:20:39 AM »
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    The only way out is to draw the double conclusion that follows: Karol Wojtyla cannot be canonized and the act that would proclaim his sanctity in front of the Church could only be a false canonization.



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    Conclusion

    Three serious reasons authorize the faithful Catholic to doubt the merits of the new beatifications and canonizations.

        Firstly, the reforms that followed the Council have produced as a consequence certain inadequacies in the process,
        and secondly, they have introduced a new collegial intention, two consequences that are incompatible with the soundness of beatifications and the infallibility of canonizations.
        Thirdly, the judgment that occurs in the process involves a conception of sanctity and heroic virtue at the very least equivocal and hence dubious.

    In the context resulting from the post-conciliar reforms, the pope and the bishops offer to the veneration of faithful Catholics authentic saints, but canonized at the conclusion of an inadequate and doubtful procedure.

    Thus there can be no doubt that Padre Pio, canonized after Vatican II, practiced the virtues in a heroic degree even though the new style of process that concluded with the proclamation of his virtues can only give one pause.

    On the other hand, the same procedure makes possible canonizations that would have once been unthinkable, in which the title of holiness is conferred upon faithful departed whose reputation is controversial and in whom the exercise of virtue in the heroic degree is not particularly outstanding. 
Is it certain that for the popes who have accomplished these newfangled canonizations, heroic virtue is what it was for all their predecessors until Vatican II?

    This unwonted situation can be explained by the confusion introduced by the post-conciliar reforms. It cannot be dispelled without getting to the root cause and examining the soundness of these reforms.
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    SSPX position on post V2 saints?
    « Reply #2 on: July 24, 2015, 07:17:04 AM »
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    Firstly, the reforms that followed the Council have produced as a consequence certain inadequacies in the process,


    No, this does not affect the protection of infallibility.

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    and secondly, they have introduced a new collegial intention, two consequences that are incompatible with the soundness of beatifications and the infallibility of canonizations.


    This takes nothing away from the nature of canonization itself and the rationale for why it must be infallible.  Simply look at the formula used to canonize JP2 -- it's a very solemn formula which explicitly invokes the aid of the Holy Spirit to prevent error.

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    Thirdly, the judgment that occurs in the process involves a conception of sanctity and heroic virtue at the very least equivocal and hence dubious.


    See my response to #1 above.

    If one considers the V2 Popes to be legitimate, then one MUST accept as legitimate the canonization of St. John Paul II.  Period.  This is simply another way in which R&R damages the indefectibility and infallibility of the Church in the interests of maintaining the legitimacy of the V2 claimants.  Unfortunately the slide into non-Catholicism in R&R is very real.


     

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