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SSPX pilgrimage for Jubilee endorsed by Vatican
« on: August 15, 2025, 02:00:33 PM »
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    Re: SSPX pilgrimage for Jubilee endorsed by Vatican
    « Reply #1 on: August 15, 2025, 02:03:38 PM »
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    Guided by its current Superior General, Fr Davide Pagliarani, SSPX had over 700 priests, 268 seminarians and a total membership exceeding1,100 as of 2022.


    I hate to defend the SSPX, but they're a lot bigger than "1,100 members". That's because laymen aren't members, unless they actually sign up to be Lay brothers or something. The SSPX is a priestly society. So while it might be technically true they have 1100 members, they have a lot more "on the team" since the number of laymen far outnumber the # of clerics associated with the group.
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    Re: SSPX pilgrimage for Jubilee endorsed by Vatican
    « Reply #2 on: August 15, 2025, 03:57:00 PM »
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    • Isn’t all this travel not very environmental friendly?   Most laity are struggling financially. 
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    Re: SSPX pilgrimage for Jubilee endorsed by Vatican
    « Reply #3 on: August 15, 2025, 04:51:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on August 15, 2025, 03:57:00 PM
    Isn’t all this travel not very environmental friendly?
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    Re: SSPX pilgrimage for Jubilee endorsed by Vatican
    « Reply #4 on: August 15, 2025, 06:45:02 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on August 15, 2025, 02:00:33 PM
    SSPX pilgrimage for Jubilee endorsed by Vatican despite canonical dispute

    https://thecatholicherald.com/article/sspx-pilgrimage-for-jubilee-endorsed-by-vatican-despite-canonical-dispute
    Yes, I saw that. Let me add my two bits.

    First I will quote parts of the actual article, then will comment on them.

    "Though this is the first time in recent memory that the SSPX has appeared in official online Jubilee listings, which are maintained by the Vatican’s evangelisation office. At the same time, the Holy See has previously stressed that inclusion does not imply endorsement.

    During a 2024 controversy over a Vatican-listed LGBT pilgrimage, Vatican spokesperson Agnese Palmucci told Reuters: “They are not sponsored activities.”
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    This quote, taken from the main article, indicates two things:

    1-Pilgrimages and other such public activities, listed by the Vatican on its calendar, are not sponsored nor endorsed by the Vatican. Yet, their inclusion on the Calendar of Events of the Vatican shows that they are not prohibited from taking place. It shows they have received a permission from the Vatican.

    2-The Neo-SSPX is treated on the same footing than the LGBTQ activities of 2024. No more, no less.

    In other words: Ecuмenical Conciliar Rome opens its doors to all groups. Everybody is included. Everybody is equal. St. Pius X said in Pascendi: "Modernism is the collection sewer of all Heresies". And so is Conciliar-Modernist Rome today.

    Poor SSPX! Why do you imagine you will not be stained by your trip down the sewers of Heresies and Immorality? Why do you seek a "Full-Recognition", a "Normalization", an "Integration" from and with the slimy and stinky Conciliar Church?

    Please, take a deep breath, get out of the stinky, slimy, dark hole before it is too late, go wash yourself, and come back to the straight and narrow, but pure and enlightened, path!!!
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    Re: SSPX pilgrimage for Jubilee endorsed by Vatican
    « Reply #5 on: August 16, 2025, 06:57:08 PM »
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    • The NeoSSPX have effectively “boiled the frog”: by slowly normalizing compromise among priests and the faithful, anyone who attends or participates becomes acclimated, neutralizing resistance and eroding awareness of the departures from Tradition.

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    Re: SSPX pilgrimage for Jubilee endorsed by Vatican
    « Reply #6 on: August 17, 2025, 01:28:42 AM »
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    • Been attending SSPX chapels for the past 25 years, and these days my chapel feels like a diocesan latin Mass.   Instead of priests calling out Popes for misdeeds and lunacy, they defend the Pope.  They still act delusional thinking if only they get welcomed in by Rome, then they will be able to change things back to tradition.  Other noticeable things:  Lack of enforcement of dress codes, lack of correction for people not genuflecting, inconsistent rules on marriages/funerals to name only a few.  I'm very close to being done with the SSPX, and I'm sad about that as I have held important positions at my chapel and served alongside scores of excellent holy priests.  Making it worse is the fact that the chapel is growing, but feeling more like the NO every day.  Probably should have left when the re-branding happened, but hung on for various reasons.  
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    Re: SSPX pilgrimage for Jubilee endorsed by Vatican
    « Reply #7 on: August 17, 2025, 11:41:33 AM »
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    • Quote from: Vicchio on August 17, 2025, 01:28:42 AM
    Been attending SSPX chapels for the past 25 years, and these days my chapel feels like a diocesan latin Mass.  Instead of priests calling out Popes for misdeeds and lunacy, they defend the Pope.  They still act delusional thinking if only they get welcomed in by Rome, then they will be able to change things back to tradition.  Other noticeable things:  Lack of enforcement of dress codes, lack of correction for people not genuflecting, inconsistent rules on marriages/funerals to name only a few.  I'm very close to being done with the SSPX, and I'm sad about that as I have held important positions at my chapel and served alongside scores of excellent holy priests.  Making it worse is the fact that the chapel is growing, but feeling more like the NO every day.  Probably should have left when the re-branding happened, but hung on for various reasons. 
    What a beautiful grace, time to leave and join the resistance. 
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    Re: SSPX pilgrimage for Jubilee endorsed by Vatican
    « Reply #8 on: August 17, 2025, 02:01:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on August 15, 2025, 03:57:00 PM
    Isn’t all this travel not very environmental friendly?  Most laity are struggling financially.
    Who cares about “environmentally friendly?” Isn’t a pilgrimage on foot? How is that offensive to the envirodeity?  
    Unless they live nearby, SSPX laity from other countries going on this pilgrimage can afford the airfare, the expenses involved, so these, at least, aren’t struggling financially. I know a number of traditional Catholics, SSPX, Resistance, Sedevacantist, etc. who are doing very well when it comes to finances. I also know a fair number who are barely hanging on, relying on the charity of fellow trads and on whatever government benefits they can receive. Most, in my estimation, are somewhere in between, maybe towards the lower end if they have many young children not old enough to work. Much depends upon their location and type of work done or available. Some of these we don’t see regularly at Mass because it is too far to afford the weekly trip, their vehicle won’t make it, and they can’t move closer because chapels tend to be in more expensive areas near major airports. The cheapest housing is in the middle of nowhere! 
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    Re: SSPX pilgrimage for Jubilee endorsed by Vatican
    « Reply #9 on: August 17, 2025, 06:25:26 PM »
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    • We laity who are Third Order are members of the SSPX, even though the Third Order is canonically really a confraternity and not a proper secular institute as these can only be attached to religious orders (OFM, OP, OCarm, OSB, etc.), not institutes of common life like the SSPX.
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    Re: SSPX pilgrimage for Jubilee endorsed by Vatican
    « Reply #10 on: Yesterday at 12:44:00 AM »
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    • Quote from: Vicchio on August 17, 2025, 01:28:42 AM
    Been attending SSPX chapels for the past 25 years, and these days my chapel feels like a diocesan latin Mass.  Instead of priests calling out Popes for misdeeds and lunacy, they defend the Pope.  They still act delusional thinking if only they get welcomed in by Rome, then they will be able to change things back to tradition.  Other noticeable things:  Lack of enforcement of dress codes, lack of correction for people not genuflecting, inconsistent rules on marriages/funerals to name only a few.  I'm very close to being done with the SSPX, and I'm sad about that as I have held important positions at my chapel and served alongside scores of excellent holy priests.  Making it worse is the fact that the chapel is growing, but feeling more like the NO every day.  Probably should have left when the re-branding happened, but hung on for various reasons. 
    I still hear sermons pointing out the errors of Francis' syncretism in Singapore, and the liberal ideas in the docuмents of Vatican II. In case you are not aware, let me tell you that I've even heard errors from Resistance priests.
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    Re: SSPX pilgrimage for Jubilee endorsed by Vatican
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    • Quote from: Seraphina on August 17, 2025, 02:01:15 PM
    Who cares about “environmentally friendly?” Isn’t a pilgrimage on foot? How is that offensive to the envirodeity? 
    Unless they live nearby, SSPX laity from other countries going on this pilgrimage can afford the airfare, the expenses involved, so these, at least, aren’t struggling financially. I know a number of traditional Catholics, SSPX, Resistance, Sedevacantist, etc. who are doing very well when it comes to finances. I also know a fair number who are barely hanging on, relying on the charity of fellow trads and on whatever government benefits they can receive. Most, in my estimation, are somewhere in between, maybe towards the lower end if they have many young children not old enough to work. Much depends upon their location and type of work done or available. Some of these we don’t see regularly at Mass because it is too far to afford the weekly trip, their vehicle won’t make it, and they can’t move closer because chapels tend to be in more expensive areas near major airports. The cheapest housing is in the middle of nowhere!
    I was joking because the Vatican is always talking about the environment and climate change but are quick to use airplane to fly and use a vehicle to get around.  Not all walking.  Instead of traveling, the hierarchy should make Mass and sacraments available to laity. There used to be a time when not many people would travel at all.  Family time was spent at home in the back yard with family and friends after Mass.  Before Vatican II, there were many Catholic parishes in most towns, where you could walk to church.  There were Catholic hospitals too instead of the pagan  butcher shops of today. 

    Our area, the chapel is located in the most liberal dangerous democrat neighborhood while most laity are coming in out of a state with the highest property taxes in the USA.






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