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Re: SSPX pilgrimage for Jubilee endorsed by Vatican
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  • (12) The SSPX Goes to Modernist Rome, The Ecuмenical Zoo

    Many Trads seem to think this pilgrimage is a good and great thing. It shows the SSPX is “in communion” with the Church. This is the “most Catholic thing to happen in Rome in a long time,” Kennedy Hall has commented.

    We think Chris Jackson has the better take:
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    “This is not a victory for Tradition, but an invitation to join the circus. In exchange for silence on Leo’s doctrinal betrayals, the SSPX gets a spot in the program; alongside the very movements it once condemned as incompatible with the Catholic faith. Inclusion is the price of admission; compromise is the cost of staying.”


    For the SSPX of old, the question was not whether they had the approval of the heretics running what Archbishop Lefebvre called “neo-Protestant Rome.” Rather, it was exposing the dissidents who are occupying the Vatican as not being in communion with their predecessors. In other words, their focus was letting Catholics know they were being governed by Modernists and wolves in sheep’s clothing.

    Bishop Tissier courageously spoke about this topic during a sermon in 2015. Below is a brief transcript of his remarks. One wonders if Cavazos or Hall are even aware His Excellency made these comments:
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    “Let us reject also the wrong supposition of some of our friends — bad friends — who say the Society of St. Pius X is now in an abnormal situation. Because we are not acknowledged by the church. The Society of St. Pius X must come back to a normal situation and receive a canonical status from Rome. That is wrong! That is false! We are not in an abnormal situation. The abnormal situation is in Rome! We possess the Faith, the Sacrament and the disposition to submit to the Pope. We have the Faith, the true Sacraments and the disposition of to obey the Pope! And the bishops. We are of the disposition. We are not in an abnormal situation. The abnormal situation is in Rome, now! We have not to come back! These people in Rome have to come back, to Tradition. Let us not reverse the reality. We have not to come back. But these Romans have to come back to their Tradition. To the Tradition of the Church.”
    ‘Why not join with Rome?’


    The relevant question we must now ask is: Does the SSPX speak like this?

    Sadly, no. Not anymore.



    Astute observers of SSPX history are aware that over the past 15 years the SSPX has opted to repeatedly talk about “the rights of Tradition” and of the need for Rome to “allow the experiment of Tradition” to continue.



    One often heard this when Bishop Fellay was pushing his hardest for the SSPX to become a personal prelature under Benedict.

    Another common argument used by the SSPX in the early 2010s was that it was “a matter of justice” that its canonical status be rectified, as it had been unfairly taken away from them by the Vatican in the 1970s.


    I was one of the only Trads at the time to publicly note the liberal nature of these arguments. Click here to read what I had to say about them in 2016.



    Liberalism redirects the focus away from the object and towards the subject. What do we mean by this? In essence, liberalism makes the creature instead of the Creator the cornerstone of reality. This is why liberals speak of the right or freedom for persons to do this or that.

    This explains why Liberal Catholics in the 1800s demanded, “a free Church in a free State.” The liberal Founders of the United States likewise declared citizens had the right to freedom of speech and religion.

    Anti-liberals rejected these propositions. They spoke of how “error has no rights” and of how the state has a duty to pay a debt to God by recognizing the Catholic religion.

    ‘No dialogue is possible’






    Archbishop Lefebvre was aware of the temptation to think like a liberal. While he undoubtedly sought a deal with the Vatican in the 1980s, he ultimately decided against it. He came to see that the situation he was in was same as the great anti-liberals in the 19th century. His remarks below (given in an interview conducted in 1990) act as a reminder for the SSPX to return to its previous anti-liberalism and declare that “Modernist errors have no right” to reign in the Vatican, while also calling on the Conciliar authorities to recognize the duty that have to uphold Traditional Catholicism:

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    In the last few weeks (since I am now unemployed!) I have been spending a little time re-reading the book by Emmanuel Barbier on Liberal CatholicismAnd it is striking to see how our fight now is exactly the same fight as was being fought then by the great Catholics of the 19th century, in the wake of the French Revolution, and by the Popes, Pius VI, Pius VII, Pius VIII, Gregory XVI, Pius IX, Leo XIII, and so on, Pius X, down to Pius XII. Their fight is summed up in the encyclical Quanta Cura with the Syllabus of Pius IX, and Pascendi Dominici Gregis of Pius X. There are the two great docuмents, sensational and shocking in their day, laying out the Church's teaching in face of the modern errors, the errors appearing in the course of the Revolution, especially in the Declaration of the Rights of ManThis is the fight we are in the middle of today. Exactly the same fight.

    We stand exactly where Cardinal Pie, Bishop Freppel, Louis Vueillot stood, and Deputy Keller in Alsace, Cardinal Mermillod in Switzerland, who fought the good fight together with the great majority of the then bishops … But obviously there were the forces of the Revolution, the heirs of the Revolution, and there was the hand reached out by Dupanloup, Montalembert, Lamennais and others, who offered their hand to the Revolution and who never wanted to invoke the rights of God against the rights of man — ‘We ask only for the rights of every man, the rights shared by everyone, shared by all men, shared by all religions, not the rights of God,’ said these Liberals.

    Well, we find ourselves in the same situation. We must not be under any illusionsConsequently we are in the thick of a great fight, a great fight. We are fighting a fight guaranteed by a whole line of popes. Hence, we should have no hesitation or fear, hesitation such as, "Why should we be going on our own? After all, why not join Rome, why not join the pope?" Yes, if Rome and the Pope were in line with Tradition, if they were carrying on the work of all the Popes of the 19th and the first half of the 20th century, of course. But they themselves admit that they have set out on a new path. They themselves admit that a new era began with Vatican II. They admit that it is a new stage in the Church's life, wholly new, based on new principles. We need not argue the point. They say it themselves. It is clear. I think that we must drive this point home with our people, in such a way that they realize their oneness with the Church's whole history, going back well beyond the Revolution. Of course. It is the fight of the City of Satan against the City of God. Clearly. So we do not have to worry. We must after all trust in the grace of God.
    This is precisely what those who view this pilgrimage favorably fail to understand. The focus should not so much be on “the freedom of Tradition” or on having Leo allow a “free SSPX in a free Conciliar Church.” It must be on the duty of Rome to recognize Tradition and the Kingship of Christ tout court. Archbishop Lefebvre basically said as much in 1988:

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    We do not have the same outlook on a reconciliation. Cardinal Ratzinger sees it as reducing us, bringing us back to Vatican II. We see it as a return of Rome to Tradition. We don’t agree; it is a dialogue of death. I can’t speak much of the future, mine is behind me, but if I live a little while, supposing that Rome calls for a renewed dialogue, then, I will put conditions … I will place the discussion at the doctrinal level: “Do you agree with the great encyclicals of all the popes who preceded you? Do you agree with Quanta Cura of Pius IX, Immortale Dei and Libertas of Leo XIII, Pascendi Gregis of Pius X, Quas Primas of Pius XI, Humani Generis of Pius XII? Are you in full communion with these Popes and their teachings? Do you still accept the entire Anti-Modernist Oath? Are you in favor of the social reign of Our Lord Jesus Christ? If you do not accept the doctrine of your predecessors, it is useless to talk! As long as you do not accept the correction of the Council, in consideration of the doctrine of these Popes, your predecessors, no dialogue is possible. It is useless.”
    ‘We have no part with the pantheon of the religions of Assisi’






    There was a time when the SSPX followed in the footsteps of its founder on relations with Rome.

    A joint letter signed by the superiors of the SSPX on July 6, 1988 addressed to Cardinal Gantin is a prime example of this. We present two brief snippets below. One wonders if the SSPX of today would even say this especially in light of the fact that it is in desperate need of bishops:

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    "As for us, we are in full communion with all the Popes and Bishops before the Second Vatican Council … we have never wished to belong to this system which calls itself the Conciliar Church, and defines itself with the Novus Ordo Missæ, an ecuмenism which leads to indifferentism and the laicization of all society. Yes, we have no part, nullam partem habemus, with the pantheon of the religions of Assisi.”
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    We ask for nothing better than to be declared out of communion with this adulterous spirit which has been blowing in the Church for the last 25 years; we ask for nothing better than to be declared outside of this impious communion of the ungodly.

    To be publicly associated with this sanction which is inflicted upon the six Catholic Bishops, Defenders of the Faith in its integrity and wholeness, would be for us a mark of honor and a sign of orthodoxy before the faithful. They have indeed a strict right to know that the priests who serve them are not in communion with a counterfeit church, promoting evolution, pentecostalism and syncretism.”
    A place in the middle of this circus, of this zoo’






    Another example is in the early 2000s when the Diocese of Campos “normalized” its canonical situation with the Conciliar Church. Bishop Fellay spoke about the deceptive nature of what happened, attributing it to ecuмenism being extended to Tradition:
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    It is primarily because of the pluralist and ecuмenical vision of things now prevailing in the Catholic world. According to this vision, everybody is to mix together without anybody needing any longer to convert, as Cardinal Kasper said in connection with the Orthodox and even the Jews. From such a standpoint there will even be a little room for Catholic Tradition, but for our part we cannot accept this vision of variable truth any more than a mathematics teacher can accept a variable multiplication table.”

    The day will come, we are sure and certain, when Rome will come back to Rome’s own Tradition and restore it to its rightful place, and we long with all our hearts for that blessed day. For the time being, however, things are not yet at that point, and to foster illusions would be deadly for the SSPX, as we can see, when we follow the turn of events in Campos.

    They no longer see the situation of the Church as a whole, they content themselves with Rome’s gesture in favor of a little group of two dozen priests and say that there is no longer any emergency in the Church because the granting of a Traditional bishop has created a new juridical situation…They are forgetting the wood for a single tree.”
    His Excellency also said the following, which further undercuts those who constantly praise SSPX “normalization” as an unqualified good:
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    “Their perspective is pluralism. Their thinking goes something like this: ‘Oh, look, if we have progressive people who do silly things as members of the Church, then we should also have a place for those who like tradition – a place in the middle of this circus, of this zoo, a place for dinosaurs and the prehistoric animals’ – that's our place (!). ‘But just stay in your zoo cage,’ they will train us, ‘You can get your food–the Old Mass; that's for the dinosaurs, but only for the dinosaurs. Don't give that food to the other zoo animals; they would be killed!’ That is why we cannot reconcile where this mentality is prevalent.”



    ‘If Rome truly recognized Tradition…’






    Lastly, we wish to provide a final quotation from Bishop Fellay made in March 2002. Again, this was around the time that the Diocese of Campos was making a deal with the Vatican. Bishop Fellay rightly said it was “impossible to see in the recognition of Campos a recognition of Tradition”:
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    “What kind of Rome do we have when it can sign an agreement with Campos and in the same week can do something like Assisi II? They definitely will not say ‘We recognize Tradition’ in any universal sense. But Campos is contented because Rome has recognized Tradition in Campos. But has it, really? If Rome truly recognized Tradition anywhere it wouldn’t be able to have an Assisi II, the very contrary of Tradition. It is impossible to see in the recognition of Campos a recognition of Tradition.”
    We can update His Excellency’s remarks in the following way if and when Rome and the SSPX come to an arrangement with Leo in 2025.
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    “What kind of Rome do we have when it can sign an agreement with the Society of St. Pius X and in the same year can do something like the Mass for the Care of Creation and continue to push Synodality? They definitely will not say ‘We recognize Tradition’ in any universal sense. But the SSPX is contented because Rome has recognized Tradition in the Society. But has it, really? If Rome truly recognized Tradition anywhere it wouldn’t offer a Mass for the Care of Creation and continue to push Synodality, the very contrary of Tradition. It is impossible to see in the recognition of the Society a recognition of Tradition.”
    Let us pray that God will grant us the wisdom to see things clearly in the coming years under Leo. Surely there will be many Traditionalists who are deceived by him.



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    Re: SSPX pilgrimage for Jubilee endorsed by Vatican
    « Reply #16 on: August 25, 2025, 07:00:44 AM »
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  • We think Chris Jackson has the better take:
    “This is not a victory for Tradition, but an invitation to join the circus. In exchange for silence on Leo’s doctrinal betrayals, the SSPX gets a spot in the program; alongside the very movements it once condemned as incompatible with the Catholic faith. Inclusion is the price of admission; compromise is the cost of staying.”
    This is a ridiculous take. 

    The author of this bog doesn't know what he's talking about and does more harm than good.
     
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    Arch. M Lefebvre, Feast of St Pius X, 1975 Principles of Modernism
    « Reply #17 on: August 25, 2025, 10:25:02 AM »
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  • The NeoSSPX have effectively “boiled the frog”: by slowly normalizing compromise among priests and the faithful, anyone who attends or participates becomes acclimated, neutralizing resistance and eroding awareness of the departures from Tradition.
    An excerpt from Letters to Friends and Benefactors, Number 9,  1975, written by +Lefebvre. He clearly summarizes Liberalism.
     [Rome has this disease...it is contagious...so why is neoSspx so friendly to these heretics? Td.]
    https://fsspx.org/en/publications/september-1975-superior-generals-letter-9-36052
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    Principles of Liberalism

    "...Let us first define in a few words the Liberalism of which the most typical historical example is Protestantism. Liberalism pretends to free man from any constraint not wished or accepted by himself.

        First liberation: frees the intelligence from any objective truth imposed on it. The Truth must be accepted as differing according to the individual or group of individuals, so it is necessarily divided up. The making of the Truth and the search for it go on all the time. Nobody can claim to have exclusive or complete possession of it. It is obvious how contrary that is to Our Lord Jesus Christ and His Church.
        Second liberation: frees the faith from any dogmas imposed on us, formulated in a definitive fashion, and which the intelligence and will must submit to. Dogmas, according to the Liberal, must be submitted to the test of reason and science, constantly, because science is constantly progressing. Hence it is impossible to admit any revealed truth defined once and for all. It will be noticed how opposed such a principle is to the Revelation of Our Lord and His divine authority.
        Lastly, Third liberation: frees us from the law. The law, according, to the Liberal, limits freedom and imposes on it a restraint first moral and then physical. The law and its restraint are an affront to human dignity and human conscience. Conscience is the supreme law. The Liberal confuses liberty with license. Our Lord Jesus Christ is the living Law, as He is the Word of God; it will be realized once more how deep runs the opposition between the Liberal and Our Lord.

    Consequences of Liberalism

        The consequences of Liberal principles are to destroy the philosophy of being and to refuse all definition of things, so as to shut oneself into nominalism or existentialism and evolutionism. Everything is subject to mutation and change.
        A second consequence, as grave as the first, if not more so, is to deny the supernatural, and hence original sin,..
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    Re: SSPX pilgrimage for Jubilee endorsed by Vatican
    « Reply #18 on: August 25, 2025, 01:01:35 PM »
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  • (12) The SSPX Goes to Modernist Rome, The Ecuмenical Zoo

    Many Trads seem to think this pilgrimage is a good and great thing. It shows the SSPX is “in communion” with the Church. This is the “most Catholic thing to happen in Rome in a long time,” Kennedy Hall has commented.

    We think Chris Jackson has the better take:

    For the SSPX of old, the question was not whether they had the approval of the heretics running what Archbishop Lefebvre called “neo-Protestant Rome.” Rather, it was exposing the dissidents who are occupying the Vatican as not being in communion with their predecessors. In other words, their focus was letting Catholics know they were being governed by Modernists and wolves in sheep’s clothing.

    Bishop Tissier courageously spoke about this topic during a sermon in 2015. Below is a brief transcript of his remarks. One wonders if Cavazos or Hall are even aware His Excellency made these comments:‘Why not join with Rome?’


    The relevant question we must now ask is: Does the SSPX speak like this?

    Sadly, no. Not anymore.



    Astute observers of SSPX history are aware that over the past 15 years the SSPX has opted to repeatedly talk about “the rights of Tradition” and of the need for Rome to “allow the experiment of Tradition” to continue.



    One often heard this when Bishop Fellay was pushing his hardest for the SSPX to become a personal prelature under Benedict.

    Another common argument used by the SSPX in the early 2010s was that it was “a matter of justice” that its canonical status be rectified, as it had been unfairly taken away from them by the Vatican in the 1970s.


    I was one of the only Trads at the time to publicly note the liberal nature of these arguments. Click here to read what I had to say about them in 2016.



    Liberalism redirects the focus away from the object and towards the subject. What do we mean by this? In essence, liberalism makes the creature instead of the Creator the cornerstone of reality. This is why liberals speak of the right or freedom for persons to do this or that.

    This explains why Liberal Catholics in the 1800s demanded, “a free Church in a free State.” The liberal Founders of the United States likewise declared citizens had the right to freedom of speech and religion.

    Anti-liberals rejected these propositions. They spoke of how “error has no rights” and of how the state has a duty to pay a debt to God by recognizing the Catholic religion.

    ‘No dialogue is possible’






    Archbishop Lefebvre was aware of the temptation to think like a liberal. While he undoubtedly sought a deal with the Vatican in the 1980s, he ultimately decided against it. He came to see that the situation he was in was same as the great anti-liberals in the 19th century. His remarks below (given in an interview conducted in 1990) act as a reminder for the SSPX to return to its previous anti-liberalism and declare that “Modernist errors have no right” to reign in the Vatican, while also calling on the Conciliar authorities to recognize the duty that have to uphold Traditional Catholicism:
    This is precisely what those who view this pilgrimage favorably fail to understand. The focus should not so much be on “the freedom of Tradition” or on having Leo allow a “free SSPX in a free Conciliar Church.” It must be on the duty of Rome to recognize Tradition and the Kingship of Christ tout court. Archbishop Lefebvre basically said as much in 1988:
    ‘We have no part with the pantheon of the religions of Assisi’






    There was a time when the SSPX followed in the footsteps of its founder on relations with Rome.

    A joint letter signed by the superiors of the SSPX on July 6, 1988 addressed to Cardinal Gantin is a prime example of this. We present two brief snippets below. One wonders if the SSPX of today would even say this especially in light of the fact that it is in desperate need of bishops:
    More:A place in the middle of this circus, of this zoo’






    Another example is in the early 2000s when the Diocese of Campos “normalized” its canonical situation with the Conciliar Church. Bishop Fellay spoke about the deceptive nature of what happened, attributing it to ecuмenism being extended to Tradition:His Excellency also said the following, which further undercuts those who constantly praise SSPX “normalization” as an unqualified good:


    ‘If Rome truly recognized Tradition…’






    Lastly, we wish to provide a final quotation from Bishop Fellay made in March 2002. Again, this was around the time that the Diocese of Campos was making a deal with the Vatican. Bishop Fellay rightly said it was “impossible to see in the recognition of Campos a recognition of Tradition”:We can update His Excellency’s remarks in the following way if and when Rome and the SSPX come to an arrangement with Leo in 2025.Let us pray that God will grant us the wisdom to see things clearly in the coming years under Leo. Surely there will be many Traditionalists who are deceived by him.
    It is encouraging to see more and more souls waking up to the reality of the Neo-SSPX and speaking out against it.


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    Re: SSPX pilgrimage for Jubilee endorsed by Vatican
    « Reply #19 on: August 25, 2025, 02:15:09 PM »
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  • Bishop Tissier courageously spoke about this topic during a sermon in 2015. Below is a brief transcript of his remarks. One wonders if Cavazos or Hall are even aware His Excellency made these comments:
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    “Let us reject also the wrong supposition of some of our friends — bad friends — who say the Society of St. Pius X is now in an abnormal situation. Because we are not acknowledged by the church. The Society of St. Pius X must come back to a normal situation and receive a canonical status from Rome. That is wrong! That is false! We are not in an abnormal situation. The abnormal situation is in Rome! We possess the Faith, the Sacrament and the disposition to submit to the Pope. We have the Faith, the true Sacraments and the disposition of to obey the Pope! And the bishops. We are of the disposition. We are not in an abnormal situation. The abnormal situation is in Rome, now! We have not to come back! These people in Rome have to come back, to Tradition. Let us not reverse the reality. We have not to come back. But these Romans have to come back to their Tradition. To the Tradition of the Church.”



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    Re: SSPX pilgrimage for Jubilee endorsed by Vatican
    « Reply #20 on: August 28, 2025, 07:19:25 PM »
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    How fitting!  I just saw that next week will be the LGBTQ+ event as part of this same "Jubilee Year", or, rather, Jewbilee Year, led by James Martin at the Jesuit "Gesu" church.

    THIS is what you're a part of, moronic fools.  By juxtaposting Tradition with this filth, and pretending you're all part of this same Church, the SSPX is actually denying the faith.


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    Re: SSPX pilgrimage for Jubilee endorsed by Vatican
    « Reply #22 on: August 29, 2025, 07:26:18 PM »
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  • Many Trads seem to think this pilgrimage is a good and great thing. It shows the SSPX is “in communion” with the Church. This is the “most Catholic thing to happen in Rome in a long time,” Kennedy Hall has commented.

    I agree that its scandalous that the Vatican have allowed a so-called LGBTQ "Catholic" group to partake AS a LGBTQ group. If the Vatican hopes to encourage them to "pray, repent, and partake in the pilgrimages" then it should be done as an anonymous group of people.

    That said, we are taught by Christ to counteract evil with doing good. 

    So yes, Mr. Hall is dead right. What the SSPX did was an amazing public witness to tradition!

    And yes, it publicly shows the SSPX in communion with the Church; the eternal Church of Rome - where it has stood, against the world for over 2000 years. Think of the impact it would have on the youth - to see rows and rows of traditional priests and seminarians expressing their allegiance AS the personification of the Traditional Church itself. Is that not what we want the youth to see? Visible Catholicism in action?

    Moreover, during the 2025 Jubilee Year, Catholics can obtain a plenary indulgence by participating in specific acts such as making a pilgrimage to designated sacred sites, engaging in prayer, and performing works of mercy. Everyone of those SSPX priests and Seminarians would have come away spiritually stronger. I personally know of a group of Resistance youths who are attending this Jubilee. May their prayers win over those poor souls who are deluded into thinking that its ok to be Catholic and openly gαy.



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    Re: SSPX pilgrimage for Jubilee endorsed by Vatican
    « Reply #23 on: August 30, 2025, 08:26:24 PM »
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  • There are plenty of “traditional Catholic” laity and clergy who are secret sodomites.



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    Re: SSPX pilgrimage for Jubilee endorsed by Vatican
    « Reply #24 on: August 30, 2025, 09:01:53 PM »
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  • I agree that its scandalous that the Vatican have allowed a so-called LGBTQ "Catholic" group to partake AS a LGBTQ group. If the Vatican hopes to encourage them to "pray, repent, and partake in the pilgrimages" then it should be done as an anonymous group of people.

    That said, we are taught by Christ to counteract evil with doing good.

    So yes, Mr. Hall is dead right. What the SSPX did was an amazing public witness to tradition!

    And yes, it publicly shows the SSPX in communion with the Church; the eternal Church of Rome - where it has stood, against the world for over 2000 years. Think of the impact it would have on the youth - to see rows and rows of traditional priests and seminarians expressing their allegiance AS the personification of the Traditional Church itself. Is that not what we want the youth to see? Visible Catholicism in action?

    Moreover, during the 2025 Jubilee Year, Catholics can obtain a plenary indulgence by participating in specific acts such as making a pilgrimage to designated sacred sites, engaging in prayer, and performing works of mercy. Everyone of those SSPX priests and Seminarians would have come away spiritually stronger. I personally know of a group of Resistance youths who are attending this Jubilee. May their prayers win over those poor souls who are deluded into thinking that its ok to be Catholic and openly gαy.
    The only thing the youth witnessed was another group amongst the many flavors of the Vatican ll church.  The SSPX did not condemn the ecuмenism, LGBT, transgender, idolatry, earth worship, or any other sacrilegious act that takes place in Rome year after year and decade after decade.  It was all superficial. 

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    Re: SSPX pilgrimage for Jubilee endorsed by Vatican
    « Reply #25 on: August 30, 2025, 09:18:16 PM »
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  • That said, we are taught by Christ to counteract evil with doing good.

    So yes, Mr. Hall is dead right. What the SSPX did was an amazing public witness to tradition!

    False.  What the SSPX did was to DENY Tradition and DENY the faith.  By taking their place with the pantheon of heresy and moral evil, right alongside the LGBTQ people, proudly accepting their niche in the Pantheon, what they're doing is professing that the institution which approves of sodomy, adultery, and actively teaches and promotes religious indifferentism, that it is in fact the Catholic Church, and they are proud to be part of it.  Trad Pride alongside gαy Pride.

    It's repugnant.  They were witnessing to absolutely nothing except for the very relativism of doctrine and morals that is the entire foundation of the Conciliar Church.  Catholic Councils condemned as heretics not only heretics but those who failed to condemn heretics, as being accomplices therein.  SSPX are now active participants in and aiders, abettors, and enablers of the Conciliar heresies.

    Borat here also denies the faith and blasphemes by claiming that this Whore of Babylon is actually Holy Mother Church.  Digusting.  Ban this filth for her (?) heresy.


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    Re: SSPX pilgrimage for Jubilee endorsed by Vatican
    « Reply #26 on: August 30, 2025, 09:36:29 PM »
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  • Borat is all emotion and no principles.  “Oh, what a lovely procession!”  …as the new-sspx walks side by side with lgbt weirdos.  The new-sspx processes with rosaries and the lgbt sickos process half-naked and with gαy flags. 

    To mix the profound with the profane is an ABOMINATION BEFORE THE LORD!

    New-Rome is an abomination and I’ve yet to see pope Leo condemn any pride masses.  So he’s now condoning the lavender mafia of Rome. 

    The new-sspx is hell bent on hitching their train to new-Rome’s snd they will suffer the consequences when Our Lord has that train fall off the cliff into the everlasting pit of fire. 

    We’ve seen this show before.  If people are so stupid as to repeat history, oh, less than 50 yrs ago, so be it.  And lap-dogs like Boru will defend everything til the end.  As they say, “you can’t fix stupid”.

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    Re: SSPX pilgrimage for Jubilee endorsed by Vatican
    « Reply #27 on: August 30, 2025, 11:20:00 PM »
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  • There are plenty of “traditional Catholic” laity and clergy who are secret sodomites.
    We know there are some. At least two are in prison and a few more ought to be, but I do not believe it’s anywhere near as many as in the Conciliar Church. Laity? That’s anyone’s guess, but aside from those compelled to hide it due to family or job, the Conciliar Church provides more than enough ample accommodation for these sorts. The cross with rainbow scarf, Fr. James Martin and his ilk are quite open, public, and accepted or at least tolerated by most in the n.o. 
    There’s less and less need to be a “secret” sodomite. Being a pedo or a pedo sodomite is certainly less acceptable, but as the world comes to be more accepting of it, the fake Conciliar Church will follow suit. That, in itself, is a roll reversal caused by V2. It used to be said, “as goes the Church, so goes the world.” V2 has switched it around. As goes the world, so goes the Church, racing to keep up.  
    When you see the latter, beware. Flee. IMO, that is probably not the Church, rather, the ape of the Church, dragging souls to Hell. That’s not to say every individual who attends the n.o. is a fraud, not Catholic, a knowing participant in Satan’s diabolical plot. There are still some sincere souls left, older people who have the Faith and are confused, perhaps even disgusted by things like blessings of those living in adultery or same sex relationships, but they’re old school, and raised to obey authority without question, the Church, especially. There are people in their 60’s on down who’ve known nothing but the V2 church, who think it’s Catholicism. They have no basis for comparison, Tradition vs. Modernist. The whole world about them from birth says, “If it’s new, it’s better.” It has never occurred to them to question, for they’ve been taught not to question, only to dismiss what is past as bad, unenlightened, worthy only of rejection. Something needs to happen in their lives that proves the opposite. Perhaps that will cause them to be open to other outmoded things and heretofore “reactionary” ideas. Religion, specifically, the fact of absolute Truth, and a search for it can lead to Catholic Truth. 
    It’s our job as those having the Truth, having the Faith, or rather, the Faith having us, to lead and promote it to the blinded and sincere, but deceived.

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    Re: SSPX pilgrimage for Jubilee endorsed by Vatican
    « Reply #28 on: August 30, 2025, 11:47:11 PM »
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  • In Fr. Salenave's latest video, from PV, he states a saying:

    satan takes the fast elevator ( promoting lies), but the TRUTH takes the stairs...slowly and certainly gets to its destination.


    Or as the bard would say: " The TRUTH will out."
    La mesure de l'amour, c'est d'aimer sans mesure.
    The measure of love is to love without measure.
                                     St. Augustine (354 - 430 AD)

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    Reserved sins, neoSspx,
    « Reply #29 on: Yesterday at 11:05:31 PM »
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  • https://catholicfamilynews.com/blog/2025/08/23/how-the-sspx-could-reconcile-with-the-vatican-in-2025/

    TimeStamp 13:20
    Catholic Family News video done about August 20, 2025, posted August 23.

    Supplied jurisdiction for confession grants priests to absolve any sin...so this video states that SSPX do collabotate with the Vatican re. Reserved sins...Could we then ponder why the neoSspx are acting thus?

    The entire video is a great refresher about neoSspx major situation/events with Modernist Rome...☆☆☆☆

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    https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/crisis-in-the-sspx-fr-ed-macdonald/msg996996/#msg996996
    TIMESTAMP : 20:00
    Fr. Ed Macdonald spoke of "Reserved Sins" in his video about the Crisis in the SSPX.
    La mesure de l'amour, c'est d'aimer sans mesure.
    The measure of love is to love without measure.
                                     St. Augustine (354 - 430 AD)