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« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2015, 10:54:02 PM »
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    Argentina: The State of Argentina Recognizes the Society of St. Pius X Administratively

    13-04-2015  
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    Queen Mary House, headquarter of the District of South America (Buenos Aires, Argentina).

    On April 12, 2015, the Argentinian newspaper Clarin announced the decision of the Secretary of Religion, Guillermo R. Oliveri, published in the official bulletin of the Argentine Republic on April 9, 2015; according to this decision the Society of St. Pius X is recognized in Argentina as a juridical person and has been added to the Register of the Institutes of Consecrated Life in which are listed the Catholic orders and religious congregations present in Argentina.

    This decision was made possible, among other formalities, by a letter from the archbishop of Buenos Aires, Cardinal Mario Aurelio Poli, addressed to the Secretary of Religion as a part of the procedures undertaken by the Society’s authorities in 2011. This letter, in which the archbishop of Buenos Aires “asked that ‘the Society of the Apostles of Jesus and Mary’ (Society of St. Pius X) be considered as an association with diocesan rights, until a definitive juridical framework is granted to it in the universal Church,” is a necessary condition for all religious congregations in Argentina.

    Cardinal Poli’s document has no canonical authority, for he cannot substitute himself for the Roman authority that alone can settle the Society’s canonical status. It is simply a procedure that allows the State of Argentina to make an administrative decision until “a definitive juridical framework is granted (to the Society) in the universal Church.”

    It is important to know that in Argentina, Catholic religious congregations can only exercise their apostolate within an administrative and juridical framework conditioned by their inscription in the register of the Institutes of Consecrated Life, on the ecclesiastical authority’s recommendation.

    The fact that Cardinal Poli is Cardinal Bergoglio’s successor to the archiepiscopal see of Buenos Aires is a legitimate reason to believe that this decision was not taken without consulting Pope Francis. Nonetheless, it is nothing more than a strictly administrative procedure in the restricted context of the Republic of Argentina.

    (Sources: FSSPX-MG/Clarin/BO Rep. Arg. DICI, 4-13-2015)


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    « Reply #2 on: April 14, 2015, 12:41:01 AM »
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  • It looks like Pope Francis and his friends are friendlier to the SSPX than previously thought.

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    « Reply #3 on: April 14, 2015, 02:28:02 AM »
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  • friendly Fire....  :idea:

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    « Reply #4 on: April 14, 2015, 05:28:55 AM »
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    From DICI:

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    Argentina: The State of Argentina Recognizes the Society of St. Pius X Administratively

    13-04-2015  
    Filed under From Tradition, News

    Maison-Marie-Reine-siege-du-district-d-Amerique-du-Sud

    Queen Mary House, headquarter of the District of South America (Buenos Aires, Argentina).

    On April 12, 2015, the Argentinian newspaper Clarin announced the decision of the Secretary of Religion, Guillermo R. Oliveri, published in the official bulletin of the Argentine Republic on April 9, 2015; according to this decision the Society of St. Pius X is recognized in Argentina as a juridical person and has been added to the Register of the Institutes of Consecrated Life in which are listed the Catholic orders and religious congregations present in Argentina.

    This decision was made possible, among other formalities, by a letter from the archbishop of Buenos Aires, Cardinal Mario Aurelio Poli, addressed to the Secretary of Religion as a part of the procedures undertaken by the Society’s authorities in 2011. This letter, in which the archbishop of Buenos Aires “asked that ‘the Society of the Apostles of Jesus and Mary’ (Society of St. Pius X) be considered as an association with diocesan rights, until a definitive juridical framework is granted to it in the universal Church,” is a necessary condition for all religious congregations in Argentina.

    Cardinal Poli’s document has no canonical authority, for he cannot substitute himself for the Roman authority that alone can settle the Society’s canonical status. It is simply a procedure that allows the State of Argentina to make an administrative decision until “a definitive juridical framework is granted (to the Society) in the universal Church.”

    It is important to know that in Argentina, Catholic religious congregations can only exercise their apostolate within an administrative and juridical framework conditioned by their inscription in the register of the Institutes of Consecrated Life, on the ecclesiastical authority’s recommendation.

    The fact that Cardinal Poli is Cardinal Bergoglio’s successor to the archiepiscopal see of Buenos Aires is a legitimate reason to believe that this decision was not taken without consulting Pope Francis. Nonetheless, it is nothing more than a strictly administrative procedure in the restricted context of the Republic of Argentina.

    (Sources: FSSPX-MG/Clarin/BO Rep. Arg. DICI, 4-13-2015)


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    IMPORTANT: SSPX clarification on the Argentine recognitions


    The SSPX District of the USA has posted the following clarification on its website regarding the Argentinian State's official recognition of the SSPX as part of the Catholic Church. The clarification is welcome in the light of the confusion over the matter, which has been widely misunderstood and prematurely celebrated as affording full canonical regularization to the SSPX. It has also been used by some to attack either Rome (supposedly for intentionally causing confusion) or the SSPX itself (for allegedly pulling through a stealth "reconciliation" with the Vatican authorities.)

    Nevertheless we also reiterate that this event shows the willingness of Rome and of the Catholic Church in Argentina to recognize the SSPX as Catholic, despite important canonical and doctrinal issues. It is Catholic, not an independent church, not an institution in schism.

    Our thanks to the District for referring to Rorate's article on this situation.


    The new SSPX's friends at Rorate Caeli have published the above clarification. They now do +Fellay's "clarifications" as Fr. Lombardi does for Francis every time he puts his foot on his mouth. Of course! The new SSPX "is not an independent church, not an institution in schism" because they are the latest friends of Rome doing what pleases Rome, not God. Such terminology is only used for Catholics who defend the Faith come hell or high water.

    I keep thinking of a Spanish saying: "Lo que el vivo hace al principio, el tonto lo hace al final". If they see such need of "reintegration", and believe they can do more good under the Roman's authority, why did they wait so long. They only look more stupid as time goes on. They cannot be men of conscience or they would have gone a long time ago. As Francis, they need constant apology to minimize the damage they do to themselves.
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    « Reply #5 on: April 14, 2015, 09:31:12 AM »
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  • One might say, "the fix is in"................ :sign-surrender:


    Hand out the yamulkes...................

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    « Reply #6 on: April 14, 2015, 01:59:07 PM »
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    It would only make sense. The perfect addition to the post VII popes, why not? And just on time for the new version of the 1962 missal. But it's too true to be real. Must be a late April fools joke.
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    « Reply #7 on: April 14, 2015, 02:21:43 PM »
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  • http://brasildogmadafe.blogspot.com.br/2015/04/did-sspx-just-accept-vatican-2.html


    Did the Society of St. Pius X just accept the Second Vatican Council?



    Fr. Bouchacourt publicly claimed in an interview with Clarín that "the Jewish people did not commit deicide.  

    Catholics everywhere are now talking about the news that the SSPX was accepted and recognized  with the aide of the conciliar cardinal Mario Aurelio Poli.  It seems that all of those who have wanted a deal with the Vatican are jumping for joy.  The usual Ecclesia Dei fans have all jumped in to sing kumbaya!  The SSPX extends its gratitude to them by praising the conciliar blog Rorate Caeli, for breaking the news, even though the news was already reported in several "resistance" sites in English, such as Non Possumus.  One should be reminded of the fact that the blog which is now being praised on a SSPX official site, also praises long-time betrayer Bishop Rifan, who traditionalists of all flavors had long considered a modernists.  It is coming as a huge surprise to many that such a reaction of praise is being met with about this event.

    Long time defenders of tradition such as John Vennari are even somewhat content.  He had this to say in a comment on facebook today..."I in no way believe that this latest Argentine news means that the SSPX is poised to accept Vatican II, nor do I think it means that Bergoglio's Rome is poised to now give 'canonical status' to the SSPX. Fundamental doctrinal conflicts still remain.".  Yes, according to Mr. Vennari, it is no big deal.  Christopher Ferrara over at the Remnant had some even more shocking things to say about it: "It is inconceivable that this action was taken without the prior approval of Pope Francis. For this he deserves the praise of every Catholic concerned about justice in the Church."  Incredible!  No more Bergoglio boogey men under the bed! And suddenly, the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate have been forgotten. It would've never been achieved if not for the public apostasy of it's district superior and the expulsion of the anti-Semites...BRAVO Pope Francis...we all will now rejoice and sing praises to you.  

    The most worrisome of all, of course, for Catholic thinkers, as opposed to those who do not think but rather dismiss everything that the "resistance" says as being "paranoid", "nasty", "sedevacantists", and a long list of etceteras... is that the SSPX has been reported as having accepted the Second Vatican Council by the secular press.  By the secular press, I am referring to the most read newspaper of Argentina the Clarín.  Readers may remember hearing about the Clarín almost two years ago, when they printed a personal interview with the then district superior Fr. Bouchacourt.  Since then Fr. Bouchacourt has been moved to France where he is the district superior of one of the Society's most important districts.  In this interview, he condemned a Rosary led by faithful of the SSPX in the Buenos Aires cathedral as an act of reparation for the ecumenical meeting of the Jewish B'nai B'rith.  (see video here)  Most notable of the interview was what seems to be an act of public apostasy where Fr. Bouchacourt SSPX denies the Gospel account of the Passion and claims that "the Jewish people did not commit deicide".  This public scandal was never retracted or even explained to the faithful.

    Nevertheless, it seems that what has happened in Argentina is not a result of a unilateral recognition, I am hard-pressed to admit.  This is nothing more than the result of the SSPX being recognized by the Argentinian state due to efforts of a particular cardinal in order to alleviate the immigration process.  Allow me to repeat that I do not believe that this is the result of a unilateral recognition or a deal with modernist Rome. I could be wrong, however.  

    However, what is of concern is the reaction from the the SSPX site of the US district. Regarding the article from Clarín they had this to say: "On April 12, 2015, the Argentinian newspaper Clarin announced the decision of the Secretary of Religion, Guillermo R. Oliveri, published in the official bulletin of the Argentine Republic on April 9, 2015; according to this decision the Society of St. Pius X is recognized in Argentina as a juridical person and has been added to the Register of the Institutes of Consecrated Life in which are listed the Catholic orders and religious congregations present in Argentina."

    The SSPX US district would have done well to not have mentioned the Clarín article, especially regarding the past issue.

    But what did the Clarín article have to say?  Why should I say this?  "The return of the Lefebvrists to the Church in Argentina, which is deducted as having been the approval of Pope Francis- is seen from those near the pontiff as an achievement because it implies that at least one sector of the followers of Lefebvre have accepted the Second Vatican Council. But it certainly will not be met well by progressive sectors. After all, it was the desire of the immediate predecessors of Francis." (english translation here)

    Will the SSPX at least deny having their Argentinian sector accept the Second Vatican Council?  Let's be clear; I don't believe they have officially accepted the Council.  Again, I could be wrong, but I hope that I am not.  But for the sake of the common good, if a highly read newspaper claims that you have accepted the Council, and you cite this newspaper  on your official site, you should be informed about the history of the matter and what this newspaper is saying.  So did they just accept the Council?  Will they clarify?  They were quick to "denounce" the consecration of Bishop Faure, even before Rome did.  Will they remain silent about this public accusation of having accepted the Second Vatican Council made by a secular newspaper whom they are "joyful" in citing? (read what the US district said here)

    Perhaps someone should seek a clarification from the US ditrict website.

    http://brasildogmadafe.blogspot.com.br/2015/04/did-sspx-just-accept-vatican-2.html
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