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Re: SSPX Obscuring The Feast of The Circuмcision of Our Lord ?
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2018, 09:50:31 AM »
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  • There was a change in 2005, why the change? It looks like the Novus Ordo church wants to program people to forget the Circuмcision, and the SSPX is going along with the program since 2005.
    Yes, why the change? And is that about when Fr Novak was removed as editor?
    1 Jan 2005 - Angelus calendar says "The Circuмcision of Our Lord"
    19 April 2005 - Pope Benedict XVI elected
    1 Jan 2006 - Angelus calendar says "The Circuмcision of Our Lord"
    August 2007 - Fr. Markus Heggenberger replaced Fr. K. Novak as the editor at Angelus Press
    1 Jan 2008 - Angelus calendar says "Octave Day of the Nativity"  (and continues to say this in the next ~4 years)


    I don't know what the calendar said in January 2007, nor after 2012.




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    Re: SSPX Obscuring The Feast of The Circuмcision of Our Lord ?
    « Reply #16 on: January 04, 2018, 10:59:38 AM »
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  • I don't like how the '62 calendar lacks the octave days, e.g., that of Sts. Stephan, John, et al.
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    Re: SSPX Obscuring The Feast of The Circuмcision of Our Lord ?
    « Reply #17 on: January 04, 2018, 07:03:10 PM »
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  • True, I remember where I was when I read that Angelus cover. Good point.

    When I saw the article, I said to my wife, that is the end of the SSPX as we knew it.

    Very insightful of you at the time.

    I recall seeing the article, but I thought it was in 2008?
    The SSPX spent two issues of the Angelus to make their newChurch case.

    I thought something similar about an SSPX Conciliar sell-out at the time, but went into denial.
    Then in 2009, Max Krah helped orchestrate Bp. Williamson's international h0Ɩ0h0αx denial scandal.

    We've been in the neo-Trad Twilight Zone ever since.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: SSPX Obscuring The Feast of The Circuмcision of Our Lord ?
    « Reply #18 on: January 05, 2018, 08:44:28 AM »
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  • 1 Jan 2005 - Angelus calendar says "The Circuмcision of Our Lord"
    19 April 2005 - Pope Benedict XVI elected
    1 Jan 2006 - Angelus calendar says "The Circuмcision of Our Lord"
    August 2007 - Fr. Markus Heggenberger replaced Fr. K. Novak as the editor at Angelus Press
    1 Jan 2008 - Angelus calendar says "Octave Day of the Nativity"  (and continues to say this in the next ~4 years)


    I don't know what the calendar said in January 2007, nor after 2012.
    I found my old SSPX calendars, I have 2000-2006, 2008-2014 and they corroborate what you wrote above. Another interesting change was that in 2008 he also added the Novus Ordo fasting rules on the calendar, like letting people know that the old fasting rules are optional. 
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    Re: SSPX Obscuring The Feast of The Circuмcision of Our Lord ?
    « Reply #19 on: January 05, 2018, 08:47:37 AM »
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  • I found my old SSPX calendars, I have 2000-2006, 2008-2014 and they corroborate what you wrote above. Another interesting change was that in 2008 he also added the Novus Ordo fasting rules on the calendar, like letting people know that the old fasting rules are optional.
    It makes sense to me though.  If they believe that the Novus Ordo popes are true popes shouldn't they follow the Novus Ordo calendar and fasting rules?
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)


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    Re: SSPX Obscuring The Feast of The Circuмcision of Our Lord ?
    « Reply #20 on: January 05, 2018, 08:52:21 AM »
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  • While the Feast of the Circuмcision is very important, the reason it's a Holy Day is because of its landing on January 1 and the Church's desire to sanctify the secular calendar ... offsetting the debauchery that usually ushers in the new year.  
    That is an old canard of the world, they say the same about Eastern and Christmas.

    In Mary of Agreda's "City of God", our Lady tells Mary of Agreda that our Lord's three fold submission to the Circuмcision was in and of itself sufficient to satisfy for the redemption of man.

    That is why the Feast of the Circuмcision is a Holy Day of Obligation.
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    Re: SSPX Obscuring The Feast of The Circuмcision of Our Lord ?
    « Reply #21 on: January 05, 2018, 07:50:19 PM »
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  • Quote from: B from A on Yesterday at 07:50:31 AM
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    1 Jan 2005 - Angelus calendar says "The Circuмcision of Our Lord" 
    19 April 2005 - Pope Benedict XVI elected 
    1 Jan 2006 - Angelus calendar says "The Circuмcision of Our Lord" 
    August 2007 - Fr. Markus Heggenberger replaced Fr. K. Novak as the editor at Angelus Press
    1 Jan 2008 - Angelus calendar says "Octave Day of the Nativity"  (and continues to say this in the next ~4 years) 


    I don't know what the calendar said in January 2007, nor after 2012. 

    I found my old SSPX calendars, I have 2000-2006, 2008-2014 and they corroborate what you wrote above. Another interesting change was that in 2008 he also added the Novus Ordo fasting rules on the calendar, like letting people know that the old fasting rules are optional.

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    Good for you, for keeping the old calendars, Last Tradhican, and thanks for posting this observation!
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    When someone goes on record by printing a book or an article or issuing calendars, it's a hard copy that can be looked at years later.
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    We rely on the CI archives for keeping all our years of posts intact, but that's still just an electronic facsimile.
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    Like the Dead Sea Scrolls, old copies of print editions you can hold in your hand are impossible to deny when inconvenient.
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    In Mary of Agreda's "City of God", our Lady tells Mary of Agreda that our Lord's three fold submission to the Circuмcision was in and of itself sufficient to satisfy for the redemption of man.

    That is why the Feast of the Circuмcision is a Holy Day of Obligation.
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    It wasn't this year but in a previous year I heard a priest give a sermon on the Feast of the Circuмcision where he explained that this first shedding of the Precious Blood of Our Lord was sufficient to redeem the entire human race, since Our Lord's Blood is of infinite value and the smallest part of it, even less than a drop, has the same infinite value in the eyes of God. This is the reason for it being a Holy Day of Obligation. 
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    "The Mother of God" is a very important title, and not to be diminished, however, it does not warrant a Holy Day of Obligation. So it would seem the Novus Ordo plan is to eventually eliminate that Obligation date in this way. I've never heard anyone claim the Church has any intention of "sanctifying the secular calendar" by making New Year's Day a Holy Day of Obligation. 
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    Notice how the "secular calendar" seems to promote debauchery on vigils of holy days: October 31st (vigil of All Saints'), Christmas Eve (ever heard of a Christmas Eve party?), New Years' Eve. All they're missing is Easter Eve, Ascension Thursday Eve, Assumption Eve and St. Patrick's Eve -- well, I guess the Irish bars already have that one. In the USA we have "December 7th, 1941, a day that will live in infamy..." (Vigil of the Immaculate Conception -- Fast and Abstinence -- unless it falls on Sunday), and February 2nd, Freemason Groundhog Day (Purification of Mary and Candlemas, end of Christmas season).
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    We already have the Feasts of the Assumption and the Immaculate Conception, the beginning and the end as it were encompassing the entire life of the Blessed Virgin. The next thing in line would be the Annunciation (March 25th) but that's not a Holy Day, nor is the birthday of Our Lady (Sept. 8th), nor the Visitation (?) nor the Purification of Mary (Feb. 2nd).
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    In other words, the Crucifixion and Death of Our Lord were not necessary in that sense, as Our Lord had already shed his blood in the Circuмcision. However, we are not given to know all the particulars and reasons of God, only that His divine will was for Our Lord to suffer and die for our redemption.
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