Author Topic: SSPX New Superior General a N.O. Bishop? (Read 5859 times)

Last Tradhican · « **on:** September 05, 2016, 10:53:48 AM »

Cathinfo's Maria Auxiliadora found this comment by Bp. Fellay (listen to Part 6 starting min. 3:00) where he says that under the agreement, the SSPX would choose three names from the Novus Ordo Bishops, and the pope would pick one of them as the bishop to be "taken in" by the SSPX (to run the SSPX?). As we understand it, it means that the Superior General of the SSPX will be a Novus Ordo Bishop. This a BIG CHANGE, perhaps someone has more information about this?

Part 6 of +Fellay's conference on relations with Rome, 08/24/16

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2016/09/for-record-bishop-fellay-explains-what.html

Charlemagne · « **Reply #1 on:** September 05, 2016, 12:43:31 PM »

How uh, utterly "shocking." Who would've ever thought that lying in bed with the Vatican could give you fleas. +Fellay has apparently never heard of Aesop:

The Farmer and the Snake
One winter, a farmer found a snake, stiff and frozen with cold. The farmer had compassion on it, and taking it up, placed it in his bosom. The snake was quickly revived by the warmth, and resuming its natural instincts bit its benefactor, inflicting on him a mortal wound. "Oh," cried the farmer with his last breath, "I am rightly served for pitying a scoundrel."

Incredulous · « **Reply #2 on:** September 05, 2016, 12:59:11 PM »

Quote from: Last Tradhican

Cathinfo's Maria Auxiliadora found this comment by Bp. Fellay (listen to Part 6 starting min. 3:00) where he says that under the agreement, the SSPX would choose three names from the Novus Ordo Bishops, and the pope would pick one of them as the bishop to be "taken in" by the SSPX (to run the SSPX?). As we understand it, it means that the Superior General of the SSPX will be a Novus Ordo Bishop. This a BIG CHANGE, perhaps someone has more information about this?

Part 6 of +Fellay's conference on relations with Rome, 08/24/16

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2016/09/for-record-bishop-fellay-explains-what.html

His excellency, Robert Baron, the Hollywood Bishop?

Making him an xSPX bishop, would fit Father Wegner's religious re-branding program like a glove.

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #3 on:** September 05, 2016, 02:46:24 PM »

Quote from: Last Tradhican

Cathinfo's Maria Auxiliadora found this comment by Bp. Fellay (listen to Part 6 starting min. 3:00) where he says that under the agreement, the SSPX would choose three names from the Novus Ordo Bishops, and the pope would pick one of them as the bishop to be "taken in" by the SSPX (to run the SSPX?). As we understand it, it means that the Superior General of the SSPX will be a Novus Ordo Bishop. This a BIG CHANGE, perhaps someone has more information about this?

Part 6 of +Fellay's conference on relations with Rome, 08/24/16

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2016/09/for-record-bishop-fellay-explains-what.html

I am one that has serious doubts about the new ordination rites and the new formula for consecrating bishops. This "bishop" they are "taking in" may not even be a priest. The SSPX may end up being run by a layman, no different than a Protestant minister.

MaterDominici · « **Reply #4 on:** September 05, 2016, 03:38:08 PM »

I presumed the first time I heard this "list of 3 names" that the persons would be from the Society and then elevated to the position of bishop. But, that certainly doesn't sound like what Bp. Fellay is saying here.

Even if you ignore the problem of questionable ordination / consecration, coming up with 3 names of decent N.O. bishops would be difficult, but not impossible. But, on top of that, those three would have to be willing to join the SSPX. And, there's absolutely no doubt that the decisions they make as superior would be moving the Society in the wrong direction.

Maria Auxiliadora · « **Reply #5 on:** September 05, 2016, 03:59:35 PM »

The loyalty of those bishops will be primarily to the Modernist pope. All of those bishops have signed the " (new) Profession of Faith" and "Oath of Fidelity to the Pope" (Doctrinal Preamble).

Last Tradhican · « **Reply #6 on:** September 05, 2016, 05:04:51 PM »

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Quote from: Last Tradhican
Cathinfo's Maria Auxiliadora found this comment by Bp. Fellay (listen to Part 6 starting min. 3:00) where he says that under the agreement, the SSPX would choose three names from the Novus Ordo Bishops, and the pope would pick one of them as the bishop to be "taken in" by the SSPX (to run the SSPX?). As we understand it, it means that the Superior General of the SSPX will be a Novus Ordo Bishop. This a BIG CHANGE, perhaps someone has more information about this?

Part 6 of +Fellay's conference on relations with Rome, 08/24/16

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2016/09/for-record-bishop-fellay-explains-what.html

No. If you really listen, at 3:30, he says the three names of candidates to be chosen by the Pope to head the new body, will be "presented BY the Society, and taken IN the Society". His english being not very good, he meant "taken FROM the Society", which is the obvious explanation from the whole context.

Your explanation "His English being not very good, he meant taken FROM the Society", is just your personal assumption. This is not Vatican II all over again, we do not make assumptions from "the obvious explanation from the whole context", we need to know what he meant. This is a most serious problem, until he clarifies this, we have to understand it in English, which is the language in which he delivered it. He needs to be precise, and we are to make no assumptions.

A very simple question to ask - Bp. Fellay did you mean the new bishop to be chosen by the pope will come from within the SSPX?

Maria Auxiliadora · « **Reply #7 on:** September 05, 2016, 05:45:09 PM »

Even if an SSPX priest is consecrated to be the head, his primary duty and loyalty will be to the pope. If Francis wrecked havoc in the FI for their "Lefebvrist" tendencies, what will he do to the "Lefebvrists" themselves? His statement that the pope has their best interest at heart is pure fantasy.

hollingsworth · « **Reply #8 on:** September 05, 2016, 07:50:21 PM »

LT:

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A very simple question to ask - Bp. Fellay did you mean the new bishop to be chosen by the pope will come from within the SSPX?

And just what kind of a venue do you think Fellay & Co. will ever provide so that such a question might be poses? When has +Fellay ever taken questions of this nature from a carefully vetted audience, much less a mixed one?

curioustrad · « **Reply #9 on:** September 05, 2016, 08:16:41 PM »

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Quote from: Last Tradhican
Cathinfo's Maria Auxiliadora found this comment by Bp. Fellay (listen to Part 6 starting min. 3:00) where he says that under the agreement, the SSPX would choose three names from the Novus Ordo Bishops, and the pope would pick one of them as the bishop to be "taken in" by the SSPX (to run the SSPX?). As we understand it, it means that the Superior General of the SSPX will be a Novus Ordo Bishop. This a BIG CHANGE, perhaps someone has more information about this?

Part 6 of +Fellay's conference on relations with Rome, 08/24/16

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2016/09/for-record-bishop-fellay-explains-what.html

No. If you really listen, at 3:30, he says the three names of candidates to be chosen by the Pope to head the new body, will be "presented BY the Society, and taken IN the Society". His english being not very good, he meant "taken FROM the Society", which is the obvious explanation from the whole context.

It's absolutely clear that the 3 names will be from the SSPX ranks. Fellay is thinking in French and translating it into English in his head. Go and live in France and you'll know how a native French speaker thinks and speaks in English. With a plethora of prepositions to choose from they often make the wrong choice - it's quite comical. When people want to make a mountain out of a molehill they will pounce on any turn of phrase.

What's really interesting here is that this is just about what the Archbishop was offered in 1988 and his list of candidates kept getting rejected by the then Cardinal Ratzinger.

It seems Rome doesn't want Fellay in charge any longer either - now that's a very interesting take-away.

mw2016 · « **Reply #10 on:** September 05, 2016, 08:23:12 PM »

Quote from: Last Tradhican

Cathinfo's Maria Auxiliadora found this comment by Bp. Fellay (listen to Part 6 starting min. 3:00) where he says that under the agreement, the SSPX would choose three names from the Novus Ordo Bishops, and the pope would pick one of them as the bishop to be "taken in" by the SSPX (to run the SSPX?). As we understand it, it means that the Superior General of the SSPX will be a Novus Ordo Bishop. This a BIG CHANGE, perhaps someone has more information about this?

Part 6 of +Fellay's conference on relations with Rome, 08/24/16

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2016/09/for-record-bishop-fellay-explains-what.html

IS THIS CORRECT??

If so, then the fat lady has truly sung when it comes to the SSPX.

mw2016 · « **Reply #11 on:** September 05, 2016, 08:27:38 PM »

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LT:
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A very simple question to ask - Bp. Fellay did you mean the new bishop to be chosen by the pope will come from within the SSPX?

And just what kind of a venue do you think Fellay & Co. will ever provide so that such a question might be poses? When has +Fellay ever taken questions of this nature from a carefully vetted audience, much less a mixed one?

Getting to talk to Bp. Fellay is harder than getting Hillary Clinton to answer questions.

Franciscan Solitary · « **Reply #12 on:** September 06, 2016, 12:58:56 AM »

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Quote from: Last Tradhican
Cathinfo's Maria Auxiliadora found this comment by Bp. Fellay (listen to Part 6 starting min. 3:00) where he says that under the agreement, the SSPX would choose three names from the Novus Ordo Bishops, and the pope would pick one of them as the bishop to be "taken in" by the SSPX (to run the SSPX?). As we understand it, it means that the Superior General of the SSPX will be a Novus Ordo Bishop. This a BIG CHANGE, perhaps someone has more information about this?

Part 6 of +Fellay's conference on relations with Rome, 08/24/16

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2016/09/for-record-bishop-fellay-explains-what.html

IS THIS CORRECT??

If so, then the fat lady has truly sung when it comes to the SSPX.

The fat lady is indeed singing for the SSPX. She sings badly.

As for the balmy Bishop Fellay, what more can be said? Stupid is as stupid does. Apostasy has dire consequences.

stgobnait · « **Reply #13 on:** September 06, 2016, 01:00:22 AM »

Yes, I believe the new Bishop will come from within the sspx, probably someone already familiar with rome, id say the dye is already cast.

Wessex · « **Reply #14 on:** September 06, 2016, 03:53:18 AM »

The solution is simple. Bp. Fellay's time must be up as SG and the Society could revert to having a priest in charge. Which would leave the bishop as Rome's approved candidate to oversee the changed entity.