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Offline Pax Vobis

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If the days are not shortened even the Elect will perish
« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2015, 10:49:42 AM »
The other, major problem with Catholicism today is that we're all too emotional.  
-  I "like" this priest but not that one.
-  That doesn't "feel" right to me.
-  This priest isn't "nice".

Feelings, emotions and all that need to be checked at the door of the Church.  We are at Church to worship God, not be in "fellowship" with a priest or the congregation.  No priest is perfect, nor do they claim to be.  

Certainly there are a lot of "issues" out there which are divisive and confusing, but the bottom line is we must worship God, and we cannot define what "worship" means, or when, where, why and at what Church we go to do that.  God has already defined the parameters.

Makes me wonder the chaos that will ensue when the Church is finally restored and the old "parish rules" are put back into place.  The rule used to be:  You go to church in your neighborhood, no where else, without permission.  You want to move?  Get permission.  You want to go to confession to a different priest, other than your parish one?  Get permission.  You want to marry someone in your parish, or from outside your parish?  Get permission.

We Catholics are truly living in the "wilderness" or the "wild west" when it comes to rules.  Sadly, many do not have the personal discipline enough to keep their noses clean.  Most people need authority, and if there is none, chaos happens.  Just the way God designed society.

Offline Matthew

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If the days are not shortened even the Elect will perish
« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2015, 11:54:25 AM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis
Makes me wonder the chaos that will ensue when the Church is finally restored and the old "parish rules" are put back into place.  The rule used to be:  You go to church in your neighborhood, no where else, without permission.  You want to move?  Get permission.  You want to go to confession to a different priest, other than your parish one?  Get permission.  You want to marry someone in your parish, or from outside your parish?  Get permission.



Two words: Old Catholics.

If the Restored Church decided to use the 1962 Missal, you'd have X number of Catholics that wouldn't submit to the legitimate, purified, Church authorities. They would be staying home on Sunday, praying their Rosaries and reading their missals, and thinking about how privileged they are to be the "remnant of the remnant" -- with a picture of the Japanese Catholics ("hidden Christians") on their walls, of course.

And here is the killer point; here is how I know this would happen:

The fact that the Church would be flourishing everywhere, with beautiful Tridentine Liturgy in every parish, correct doctrine, correct morals, etc. would be lost on them. Why? Because they aren't the type to look at the big picture, or look at things pragmatically AT ALL. They look at one encyclical, or one quote from a given Father of the Church, and blow it out of all proportion. They stubbornly cling to their own private interpretation of that one passage and, like a protestant, start their own church, population 5 or population 1.

They don't step back and say, "What am I doing?"

I should show you a picture of our Mass here every Sunday. 100% Catholic. But many things don't photograph, like the 100% Catholic doctrine that comes out of our priests' mouths. Or the fact they are validly ordained. Or their truly Catholic spirit inherited from Archbishop Lefebvre.

But with all that, we have people staying home from this Mass. They are so "uncompromising" and "principled" they have lost all touch with reality. I can understand "doctrine comes first" but you need to have SOMETHING keeping you sane or stable, just in case you are wrong if nothing else!

There is a place for pragmatism, practicality, and keeping both your feet on the ground.


Offline Pax Vobis

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« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2015, 08:01:50 PM »
I think when the Church is finally restored, God will have mercy on any of us that survive to that point, knowing the craziness we went through, that He will give us such good, holy priests that there will be no doubt as to where we should be going to Mass.