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Offline Maria Regina

Re: SSPX Moving Toward Accepting Conciliar "Saints?"
« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2019, 01:22:36 PM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on July 13, 2019, 03:06:30 PM
In this current SSPX.org announcement, the SSPX refers to Maria Teresa Gonzalez Quevedo as "Venerable."

https://sspx.org/en/news-events/calendar/ven-teresita-quevedo-girls%E2%80%99-camp-45049

Problem: That title was given to her in 1983 by JPII.

Is the SSPX incrementally moving towards an acceptance of conciliar saints?

Of course they are: One cannot be accepted by the conciliar church while rejecting its "saints" (that would be resistance, you see, and as Fr. Cottier explained upon his conquest of Campos, "What is important is that there no longer be resistance in their hearts.").

But what does it mean to be considered venerable?

"In the Catholic Church, after a deceased Catholic has been declared a Servant of God by a bishop and proposed for beatification by the Pope, such a servant of God may next be declared venerable ("heroic in virtue") during the investigation and process leading to possible canonization as a saint."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Venerable

But has not the SSPX of old expressed serious reservations on this new conciliar concept of "heroic virtue?"

See this 2011 article from Fr. Gleize (SSPX) explaining new and redefined concept of "heroic virtue" (scroll down to "Third Difficulty: Heroic Virtue):

http://sspx.org/en/beatification-and-canonization-vatican-ii-3

Little by little, the SSPX is moving from integral Catholicism to integral conciliarism.
The SSPX is simply following the Vatican II plan.

And please keep this on topic.
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Offline ByzCat3000

Re: SSPX Moving Toward Accepting Conciliar "Saints?"
« Reply #16 on: July 17, 2019, 05:48:22 PM »
What did I just walk into?
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: SSPX Moving Toward Accepting Conciliar "Saints?"
« Reply #17 on: July 17, 2019, 08:53:55 PM »
Quote from: forlorn on July 14, 2019, 07:50:05 PM
Canonisations are infallible. Still not sure how you can call someone a true Pope but reject their canonisations.

You can't.  Either these Conciliar "saints" are currently in heaven interceding for the Church militant or the men who canonized them were not legitimate popes.
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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: SSPX Moving Toward Accepting Conciliar "Saints?"
« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2019, 09:00:22 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on July 17, 2019, 08:53:55 PM
You can't.  Either these Conciliar "saints" are currently in heaven interceding for the Church militant or the men who canonized them were not legitimate popes.
Replay #16 about why that is nonsense?
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Offline Matthew

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Re: SSPX Moving Toward Accepting Conciliar "Saints?"
« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2019, 11:14:48 PM »
Quote from: Your Friend Colin on July 14, 2019, 07:29:02 PM
Holy Week was destroyed by Bugnini under Pius XII in 1955.
John XXIII inserted St. Joseph in to the Canon, removed the second Confiteor and some other changes I think. Someone else knows, I’m sure.


There are no "other changes I think". No need to be vague or exaggerate. 

There were only 2 changes. St. Joseph was added to the Canon, and yes technically the 2nd Confiteor was removed, though in practice the SSPX and most 1962 users keep it in. I can't speak to what Indult and "approved by Rome" communities do in this regard.

Other than that, it is completely Tridentine. Nothing wrong with it, nothing to be criticized. Nothing weak, nothing defective.
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