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Re: SSPX Morphing: Perpetual Engagements as Seminarians?
« Reply #25 on: May 08, 2019, 04:35:59 PM »
In this article, Fr. Peter Scott explains why Archbishop Lefebvre required no fewer than 9 years (after ordination) before accepting perpetual engagements.

https://m.facebook.com/SspxAgainstTheRumors/posts/1804672902889871

(And someone had better download it fast).

Consequently, the new change in policy is but one more rejection by the Society of the wisdom of its founder.

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Re: SSPX Morphing: Perpetual Engagements as Seminarians?
« Reply #26 on: May 08, 2019, 05:20:38 PM »
In this article, Fr. Peter Scott explains why Archbishop Lefebvre required no fewer than 9 years (after ordination) before accepting perpetual engagements.

https://m.facebook.com/SspxAgainstTheRumors/posts/1804672902889871

(And someone had better download it fast).

Consequently, the new change in policy is but one more rejection by the Society of the wisdom of its founder.
See attached screenshot (below) for Fr. Scott's explanation of the Archbishop's policy (the Facebook page cannot be copy/pasted).


Re: SSPX Morphing: Perpetual Engagements as Seminarians?
« Reply #27 on: May 08, 2019, 05:38:40 PM »

Ha ha.  Ok then the neo-sspx's changes are meant to align their policies with potential "merger and acquisition" partners, after they make a deal with rome.  Gotta make the transition as smooth as possible.
I disagree with you. Yes, the FSSP and ICRSS are compromise-ED groups, but societies of apostolic life, or societies of common life without vows before Vatican II had the same procedure - I cited Glenmary, Maryknoll, the Sulpicians and the Oratorians as examples. There were and are many other societies/institutes like this. I don't believe in this case following correct canonical procedure has anything to do with a future deal with Rome.

Archbishop Lefebvre was truly very wise, and very holy, but the practice of such a long series of engagement renewals for SSPX seminarians/priests, or the Brothers' long periods of temporary vows, doesn't have a real canonical basis or pre-conciliar precedent, even with the Holy Ghost Fathers to which the Archbishop belonged.

The only congregation (and note that this is a congregation with vows, not a simple institute without vows like the SSPX) I know of with so many years before perpetual vows, is the Society of Jesus (Jesuits) when final profession is made after tertianship. Try as you might, though, you cannot compare the SSPX with the (real) Jesuits.

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Re: SSPX Morphing: Perpetual Engagements as Seminarians?
« Reply #28 on: May 08, 2019, 05:43:26 PM »
Didn't Bishop Fellay tell us we did not have to worry about the SSPX ever changing its Statutes as a result of its pursuit of a practical accord with modernist Rome?

Well, here is an excerpt from the SSPX Statutes (1976 version, augmented by the General Chapter of 1982) vs the new policy (which will necessarily result in....changing the Statutes):

"5. The entry into the Fraternity is realized for the clergy through the commitment, publicly expressed before the Superior General or his delegate and before the Blessed Sacrament, to remain faithful to the statutes. This commitment cannot take place before a year of preparation in a house of the Fraternity.

6. Clerics during their formative years up to the sub-diaconate will make annual commitments. From the sub-diaconate they can commit for three years and after a new re-engagement of three years they can make a permanent commitment. For priests who would commit themselves to the Fraternity they must make at least one commitment of three years before their final commitment. The brothers, according to their particular statutes, after six years of temporary vows, that is to say two times three years, make perpetual vows."

NB: The new policy was first announced publicly in December, 2018.  In all likelihood, therefore, it was agreed to change them at the 2018 General Chapter.  The change is certainly related to the pursuit of an accord with modernist Rome (i.e., coming into conformity with the 1983 CIC: With the SSPX now arguing "the state of necessity recedes," they no longer have any theological justification for deviating from the canon law of the conciliar church).

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Re: SSPX Morphing: Perpetual Engagements as Seminarians?
« Reply #29 on: May 08, 2019, 05:46:08 PM »
I disagree with you. Yes, the FSSP and ICRSS are compromise-ED groups, but societies of apostolic life, or societies of common life without vows before Vatican II had the same procedure - I cited Glenmary, Maryknoll, the Sulpicians and the Oratorians as examples. There were and are many other societies/institutes like this. I don't believe in this case following correct canonical procedure has anything to do with a future deal with Rome.

Archbishop Lefebvre was truly very wise, and very holy, but the practice of such a long series of engagement renewals for SSPX seminarians/priests, or the Brothers' long periods of temporary vows, doesn't have a real canonical basis or pre-conciliar precedent, even with the Holy Ghost Fathers to which the Archbishop belonged.

The only congregation (and note that this is a congregation with vows, not a simple institute without vows like the SSPX) I know of with so many years before perpetual vows, is the Society of Jesus (Jesuits) when final profession is made after tertianship. Try as you might, though, you cannot compare the SSPX with the (real) Jesuits.

Translation: "We can't be 88'ers anymore."

Shill.