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Offline ByzCat3000

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Re: SSPX Masked at Lourdes
« Reply #30 on: October 26, 2020, 05:38:06 PM »
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  • The mask police take a little girl in Germany:

    https://twitter.com/Satisfaction778/status/1320606081383604224

    Translated description:
    The chain dogs of the Merkel dictatorship.
    Listen carefully in video 2: The brave little girl (according to him) bit the policeman in the hand. At the moment when at least 3 of these criminals set out to capture the defenseless victim.
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    I have serious concerns about cooperating with this kind of nonsense by masking in church too.

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    Re: SSPX Masked at Lourdes
    « Reply #31 on: October 26, 2020, 05:40:04 PM »
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  • The mask police take a little girl in Germany:

    https://twitter.com/Satisfaction778/status/1320606081383604224

    Translated description:
    The chain dogs of the Merkel dictatorship.
    Listen carefully in video 2: The brave little girl (according to him) bit the policeman in the hand. At the moment when at least 3 of these criminals set out to capture the defenseless victim.
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    Shhhhh.....the Menzingen shill wants to redirect the conversation to....Valtorta😂😂!
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    Re: SSPX Masked at Lourdes
    « Reply #32 on: October 26, 2020, 05:54:17 PM »
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  • Ahem, if you are a masker, then it is you who have chosen to live in a bubble.

    As for the narcissism, this is obviously psychological self-projection:

    The masked virtue signalers are seeking approval, and making assertions of narcissism are a coping mechanism by which cowards rebuff the sting of low self-esteem by deflecting self-reproach onto those more courageous, principled, and noble than themselves.

    The cowardly hate the courageous, as their example is a continual reminder to them of their inadequacy.
    You avoided my questions and now I know why. 

    You think that those who do wear a mask because if we don't we won't have a job, be able to buy groceries or go to Mass are 'virtue signallers'. This despite the fact that you don't know the people you're talking about. You think the people who wear a mask in compliance with store rules or the law to buy food for their children are cowards. You think that those who wear a mask in work in compliance with the law or workplace regulations are "inadequate." 

    You are exactly the kind of narcissistic fanatic that people try to avoid. Even now all you want here is an argument. you are not using your reason, something that traditional Catholics are supposed to have in greater measure than the population at large. Well as long as you feel good about yourself I suppose. Keep it up. 

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    Re: SSPX Masked at Lourdes
    « Reply #33 on: October 26, 2020, 06:02:42 PM »
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  • You avoided my questions and now I know why.

    You think that those who do wear a mask because if we don't we won't have a job, be able to buy groceries or go to Mass are 'virtue signallers'. This despite the fact that you don't know the people you're talking about. You think the people who wear a mask in compliance with store rules or the law to buy food for their children are cowards. You think that those who wear a mask in work in compliance with the law or workplace regulations are "inadequate."

    You are exactly the kind of narcissistic fanatic that people try to avoid. Even now all you want here is an argument. you are not using your reason, something that traditional Catholics are supposed to have in greater measure than the population at large. Well as long as you feel good about yourself I suppose. Keep it up.
    You just keep those excuses coming, honey.
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    Re: SSPX Masked at Lourdes
    « Reply #34 on: October 26, 2020, 06:49:30 PM »
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  • You avoided my questions and now I know why.

    You think that those who do wear a mask because if we don't we won't have a job, be able to buy groceries or go to Mass are 'virtue signallers'. This despite the fact that you don't know the people you're talking about. You think the people who wear a mask in compliance with store rules or the law to buy food for their children are cowards. You think that those who wear a mask in work in compliance with the law or workplace regulations are "inadequate."

    You are exactly the kind of narcissistic fanatic that people try to avoid. Even now all you want here is an argument. you are not using your reason, something that traditional Catholics are supposed to have in greater measure than the population at large. Well as long as you feel good about yourself I suppose. Keep it up.
    I wouldn't go that far, but unless you're *sure* non compliance will lead to you getting screwed over, it would be worth at least trying IMO.

    All that said at work it really isn't possible a lot of times.  But I've been surrpsied how possible it is on grocery stores on long iskand.


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    Re: SSPX Masked at Lourdes
    « Reply #35 on: October 26, 2020, 06:50:41 PM »
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  • I've found, like Sean, that there are very few repercussions for not wearing a mask - and I live in one of the most far left counties in the country where masking is mandated and not merely recommended.

    Work is the one exception for me - I will mask at work, although my boss knows where I stand.

    I've found that half of the store employees don't care enough to say anything if I am unmasked. The other half will ask me to mask, but then do nothing if I don't comply. I haven't had the police called on me once, and I go to various stores at least three times a week.

    Some cashiers at grocery stores will refuse to ring me up, and what I do then is just go to self-checkout.

    Occasionally, I will comply at stores if the employee is very friendly, but I think that when I comply I am just perpetuating the hoax - which is devastating countless lives. One of my recreational hobbies is playing pick up basketball. I've noticed a significant increase in drug use at one of the courts I play at among the high school and college players. I live in a poor neighborhood, and for some of these young men, sports have been one of the better things they have to look forward to. The ʝʊdɛօ-Masons have taken this away from the poor. In the area I live in MD, school sports have all been cancelled.

    I know that many Americans are overly obsessed with sports, but sports can be very healthy for a lot of these poor kids who have little else positive going on in their lives. Some coaches are actually very good at mentoring these young men well beyond increasing their skills at a particular sport. This is just one example of the devastation caused by the corona hoax - there are many more. Masking perpetuates the wicked lie.
    "The Blessed Eucharist means nothing to a man who thinks other people can get along without It. The Blessed Eucharist means nothing to a communicant who thinks he needs It but someone else does not. The Blessed Eucharist means nothing to a communicant who offers others any charity ahead of this Charity of the Bread of Life." -Fr. Leonard Feeney, Bread of Life

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    Re: SSPX Masked at Lourdes
    « Reply #36 on: October 26, 2020, 07:15:02 PM »
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  • You avoided my questions and now I know why.

    You think that those who do wear a mask because if we don't we won't have a job, be able to buy groceries or go to Mass are 'virtue signallers'. This despite the fact that you don't know the people you're talking about. You think the people who wear a mask in compliance with store rules or the law to buy food for their children are cowards. You think that those who wear a mask in work in compliance with the law or workplace regulations are "inadequate."

    You are exactly the kind of narcissistic fanatic that people try to avoid. Even now all you want here is an argument. you are not using your reason, something that traditional Catholics are supposed to have in greater measure than the population at large. Well as long as you feel good about yourself I suppose. Keep it up.
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    People on this forum have been discussing the coronavirus situation for months now, since it started, and the whole subject has been hashed and re-hashed many times.
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    Before you stick your arm into this wood-chipper here, you might spend some time looking over the various discussions about the coronavirus situation that have taken place throughout most of this year on this forum. If you do this, you will get a better perspective on what a lot of people think about it here, and why you are getting such strong pushback on the idea of wearing masks. Basically, there is strong evidence that the whole "pandemic" narrative is a fraud perpetrated by the people running the world in order to use it to create vast changes in society and impose a communist world government. There is good evidence the masks are used as a psychological tool to force people to comply with this leftist agenda, since by wearing a mask one is implicitly accepting the leftist narrative that there is a deadly virus that we are all in danger of dying from. Even if one interiorly rejects this notion, wearing a mask still gives external consent to this global hoax that is being used for the systemic destruction of our economy, our freedom, and our entire way of life. It still indicates to other people in public, who cannot read your mind, that you accept the narrative.
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    I want to stress that I speak only for myself here, and not for anyone else on this website.
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    But you are certainly coming in at the end of a long conversation that has been going on on this website for over half a year, and some of the attitudes that have been expressed to you about masks might seem a little extreme if you have missed the rest of the conversation.
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    Just trying to be neighborly, since you seem to be new to this forum. :cowboy:
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    Re: SSPX Masked at Lourdes
    « Reply #37 on: October 26, 2020, 08:16:14 PM »
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  • I hate the new-sspx's liberalization as much as anyone, but the criticism over mask wearing IN FRANCE is juvenile and unfair.  France doesn't have what little protections/freedom that we still have here.  We've all heard the horror stories from NY and CA.  In Poland, a priest was arrested for saying mass and you think France is less communist than Poland?  Fat chance.  Do you want the entire new-sspx to go to jail over avoiding a mask?  What will that solve?  Nothing.
    The priest who was arrested was a suspended Salesian priest who had fallen out with his superiors. The priest was protesting COVID measures, but if his superiors order him to cease, he had either to comply, quit the order or disobey and take the consequences. In part he quit the Salesians who had allowed him to stay for now, but he refused to cease offering Masses. They called the police. Anyhow, it is more an issue with the Modernist behemoth which is the Salesian order (some 14,000 plus religious without counting lay staff). Poland itself has public Masses, albeit today there were efforts at disruption by the woke element over further restrictions on abortion. 


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    Re: SSPX Masked at Lourdes
    « Reply #38 on: October 26, 2020, 09:37:42 PM »
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  • I have a question. Valtorta's "Poem of the Man-God" was forbidden put on the index of forbidden books by the Holy Office in 1959. Dominicans from Avrille also spoke openly against it's usage:
    http://www.dominicansavrille.us/what-should-we-make-of-the-book-the-poem-of-the-man-god-by-maria-valtorta-2/
    Bp. Williamson, however, recommended the book.
    Some members of this forum agreed with the Dominicans and concluded that Bp. Williamson was wrong in promoting this work, condemned by the Holy Office and (to my knowledge) never rehabilitated.

    But this difference of opinion about relatively serious matter didn't bother you too much. You never called Bp. Williamson names for having a different opinion and using the condemned work which priests from his own "camp" call erroneous and seriously problematic.

    Now, even if SSPX priests thought that masks are great thing and enforced them on their own initiative, without the least pressure from civil authorities (which obviously isn't the case - they were gravely pressured), it would still be a difference of opinion on the scientific issue which would be of much less importance than Bp. Williamson's actions in relation to Poem of the Man God. Why do You tolerate difference of opinion with regards to Bp. Williamson, while attacking SSPX for much less serious issue?
    You should take your red herring to its own thread. 
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    Re: SSPX Masked at Lourdes
    « Reply #39 on: October 26, 2020, 09:59:47 PM »
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  • .... I think that when I comply I am just perpetuating the hoax - which is devastating countless lives. ....

    Masking perpetuates the wicked lie.

    Great post Mr. Maryland! I thank you for it.

    This precisely sums up what the SSPX has done - perpetuated the lie. It is a great betrayal and a great loss. There was nothing to stop them from staying home and praying there. But wearing masks at Lourdes is a denial of all that Lourdes 
    stands for.

    It's an utter disgrace and a scandal.
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    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    Re: SSPX Masked at Lourdes
    « Reply #40 on: October 26, 2020, 11:15:01 PM »
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  • Shhhhh.....the Menzingen shill wants to redirect the conversation to....Valtorta😂😂!
    You quoted wrong post, smart guy... Anyways, since You wanted to reply to my post, I don't want to redirect the conversation since the conversation about Valtorta is prety much over. I just want to show unhealthy attitude of some on this forum that think that wearing mask is more serious issue than supporting condemned book, being sedevacantist, etc. Imagine telling some saint or theologian 100 years ago that you will be friendly with people who deny that the person you hold as a pope truly is the pope and that you will consider the promoter of condemned work as a leader of your movement, but that you will at the same tine be sacrastic and rude towards somebody who for practical reason puts piece of cloth over their face... Just imagine what saint would think about even comparing the importance of difference of oppinion on the issue of whether the pope is the pope and whether piece of cloth over your mouth can help you (or whether it is, in current circunstances, best to wear it even if it won't significantly help you and even if epidemiological situation isn't that serious). 
    I am not directing the conversation since everybody already has his opinion on Valtorta or on sedevacantism. I am just pointing out how misteriously strange your attitude is... 


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    Re: SSPX Masked at Lourdes
    « Reply #41 on: October 26, 2020, 11:59:07 PM »
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  • Also, when I posted to another thread the link of Dominicans of Avrille requiring masks in May, Sean said: 
    They posted the sign on the door to keep the government happy, but nobody inside actually wore masks.
    But if You are requiring SSPX to give up their Lourdes pilgrimage over mask issue, can You really justify Avrille advertizing masks on their public website? I mean I higly doubt that they even had to post anything about masks online (even if they had to have a sign on the door), but since Your current position is "martyrdom over mask-mandate", aren't You critical about Avrille mask-mandate on their official website? 
    Here is the link:
    http://www.dominicainsavrille.fr/reprise-des-messes/

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    Re: SSPX Masked at Lourdes
    « Reply #42 on: October 27, 2020, 03:14:36 AM »
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  • A lot of us are able to appreciate maskless masses, whatever notice is pinned in the Church foyer or on their websites. It would be extremely intelligent to delete this thread in order not to provoke unwanted visits from the authorities. 

    Please learn discretion as we are in a time of war

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    Re: SSPX Masked at Lourdes
    « Reply #43 on: October 27, 2020, 04:04:50 AM »
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  • ... wearing masks at Lourdes is a denial of all that Lourdes stands for.

    It's an utter disgrace and a scandal.
    Really? I'd be interested to know what you think Lourdes actually stands for. 

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    Re: SSPX Masked at Lourdes
    « Reply #44 on: October 27, 2020, 05:17:29 AM »
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  • A lot of us are able to appreciate maskless masses, whatever notice is pinned in the Church foyer or on their websites. It would be extremely intelligent to delete this thread in order not to provoke unwanted visits from the authorities.

    Please learn discretion as we are in a time of war
    I agree - I made a mistake by quoting this in the response to Mr. Johnson (although Mr. Johnson said this in another thread). I would like to delete the post, but I am not able to, since I am not the moderator. 
    Also, perhaps the information about SSPX NY City chapel should be deleted as well.