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Offline SAP1571

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Re: SSPX Masked at Lourdes
« Reply #15 on: October 26, 2020, 10:58:19 AM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on October 26, 2020, 02:36:02 AM
    They blasphemously insult God's creation when they suggest that His only rational creation in the physical realm -- man -- lacks the reasoning, sensory, and intellectual faculties to determine IF HE IS FEELING SICK OR NOT.
    Man has the faculties to determine if he is feeling sick or not, but he doesn't have the faculties to determine if he is infected or not, as is proven by daily experience. If men could determine whether he is infected or not, than diseases wouldn't spread. 
    Anyways, making a false statement about faculties of man to sense the infection isn't blasphemy, but simply a technical error.
    I am not saying that masks are necessary now, but this is another issue.
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    Offline ByzCat3000

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    Re: SSPX Masked at Lourdes
    « Reply #16 on: October 26, 2020, 10:59:05 AM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on October 26, 2020, 10:13:35 AM
    Over a mask?  How are you going to cram hundreds of people into a few basements?  And how are you going to do it, without next door neighbors calling the police?  Is a priest supposed to say 5 masses a day, at different houses of 40 people?  It doesn't make sense.
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    My point is, people are criticizing the new-sspx for wearing masks, yet they've not grasped the situation that the new-sspx IN FRANCE, has no choice.  People in NY and CA have no choice either.  Welcome to the start of tyranny.  Tyranny is the "new normal".  People criticizing this or that aren't "woke" to the reality that there's no more freedom.  The uncharitableness and naivety of the criticisms for wearing masks is astounding.  The mask issue is a distraction.
    i can’t speak for france or even NYC but most people at the sspx (and this is just regular sspx, not sspx resistance) don’t wear masks out on long island for the most part.  a few people do and nobody gives them a hard time about it but most people don’t and it’s not a requirement and the police haven’t done anything or anything.
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    Re: SSPX Masked at Lourdes
    « Reply #17 on: October 26, 2020, 11:01:20 AM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on October 26, 2020, 10:13:35 AM
    Over a mask?  How are you going to cram hundreds of people into a few basements?  And how are you going to do it, without next door neighbors calling the police?  Is a priest supposed to say 5 masses a day, at different houses of 40 people?  It doesn't make sense.
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    My point is, people are criticizing the new-sspx for wearing masks, yet they've not grasped the situation that the new-sspx IN FRANCE, has no choice.  People in NY and CA have no choice either.  Welcome to the start of tyranny.  Tyranny is the "new normal".  People criticizing this or that aren't "woke" to the reality that there's no more freedom.  The uncharitableness and naivety of the criticisms for wearing masks is astounding.  The mask issue is a distraction.
    i’m not sure what the right answer is.  at a certain point you can only do what can be done.  i do dislike the notion of churches being complicit with this tyranny though.  at the very least i think whatever we can do to avoid that should be done if possible. and yeah i do think the masks are a big deal.
    now maybe in france there is truly no choice.  perhaps that’s so.
    i really wish Rome and all the diocesan bishops would with one voice stand up against this sort of thing but obviously that isn’t happening any time soon.  i realize the resources of the sspx are more limited 
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    Re: SSPX Masked at Lourdes
    « Reply #18 on: October 26, 2020, 11:52:31 AM »
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    • Quote from: ByzCat3000 on October 26, 2020, 11:01:20 AM
      at the very least i think whatever we can do to avoid that should be done if possible. and yeah i do think the masks are a big deal.
    That is good advice, at least resist as much as possible. All citizens need to band together to resist this tyranny. It is easier to resist the mask now as a group (as they cannot arrest all of you at once when you are in the thousands) than to resist the vaccine by yourself.
    I noticed in the pictures, a couple of Sisters did not cover themselves with the masks, and  they did not get arrested or beaten. So this showed that a simple act of resistance as pulling the mask under their chin could have easily been accomplished. 
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    Re: SSPX Masked at Lourdes
    « Reply #19 on: October 26, 2020, 12:02:31 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on October 26, 2020, 10:54:14 AM
    I wonder if you’ll be as cavalier when they come to give you the “vaccine?”



    Come and taste my .223 Pb vaccine.

    At 3,000 ft.sec, you won't feel a thing... cause you'll be dead.
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    Re: SSPX Masked at Lourdes
    « Reply #20 on: October 26, 2020, 02:53:33 PM »
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    • If wearing a mask is a condition working in a particular place (as it is for many of us) and is enforced would people quit their job or be fired? 

    If wearing a mask is a condition of entering a supermarket or other food store and is enforced would people go hungry or let their children go hungry? 

    If wearing a mask is a condition of going to Mass would you keep yourself and your family home? 

    I am not asking you to agree with wearing a mask to work, shop or Mass, I am asking you if you would refuse to go to those places if the law, employers or retailers demanded it. 

    We can go on about how it offends reason and so forth until we're evicted for not paying our mortgage/rent, until we go hungry or until our souls wither but our opposition must be proportionate. 
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    Offline SeanJohnson

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    Re: SSPX Masked at Lourdes
    « Reply #21 on: October 26, 2020, 03:09:18 PM »
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    • Quote from: lmauwnrcehnicne on October 26, 2020, 02:53:33 PM
    If wearing a mask is a condition working in a particular place (as it is for many of us) and is enforced would people quit their job or be fired?

    If wearing a mask is a condition of entering a supermarket or other food store and is enforced would people go hungry or let their children go hungry?

    If wearing a mask is a condition of going to Mass would you keep yourself and your family home?

    I am not asking you to agree with wearing a mask to work, shop or Mass, I am asking you if you would refuse to go to those places if the law, employers or retailers demanded it.

    We can go on about how it offends reason and so forth until we're evicted for not paying our mortgage/rent, until we go hungry or until our souls wither but our opposition must be proportionate.

    We’ve had a (illegal) mask mandate in Minnesota which mandates wearing a mask everywhere.

    We have no choice, you would say?

    But I haven’t worn a mask anywhere I go.

    Looks like I do have a choice:

    I choose not to comply.

    I wouldn’t lose my job over it, but not only don’t I wear a mask anywhere, I have one taped to my back truck window that says “Wearing a mask is stupid.”
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    Re: SSPX Masked at Lourdes
    « Reply #22 on: October 26, 2020, 03:33:56 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on October 26, 2020, 03:09:18 PM
    We’ve had a (illegal) mask mandate in Minnesota which mandates wearing a mask everywhere.

    We have no choice, you would say?

    But I haven’t worn a mask anywhere I go.

    Looks like I do have a choice:

    I choose not to comply.

    I wouldn’t lose my job over it, but not only don’t I wear a mask anywhere, I have one taped to my back truck window that says “Wearing a mask is stupid.”
    There is an element of narcissism about the never maskers and you have confirmed this. 

    Not everybody lives in your bubble nor are they bound by the rules of your state or municipality. 
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    Re: SSPX Masked at Lourdes
    « Reply #23 on: October 26, 2020, 04:04:13 PM »
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    From a French Resistance Forum post by Joseph:
    Resistance? Where? Lol!

    Nothing more than catholic cucks to their jew/globalists overlords.

    What a freakin joke. ::)

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    Re: SSPX Masked at Lourdes
    « Reply #24 on: October 26, 2020, 04:16:55 PM »
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    • Here, here is some real resistance to this mask-covid nonsense.

    Maybe you "resistance" catholics can learn something about standing up for yourselves from the tribe. ::)



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    Re: SSPX Masked at Lourdes
    « Reply #25 on: October 26, 2020, 04:32:56 PM »
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    • Quote from: lmauwnrcehnicne on October 26, 2020, 03:33:56 PM
    There is an element of narcissism about the never maskers and you have confirmed this.

    Not everybody lives in your bubble nor are they bound by the rules of your state or municipality.

    Ahem, if you are a masker, then it is you who have chosen to live in a bubble.

    As for the narcissism, this is obviously psychological self-projection:

    The masked virtue signalers are seeking approval, and making assertions of narcissism are a coping mechanism by which cowards rebuff the sting of low self-esteem by deflecting self-reproach onto those more courageous, principled, and noble than themselves.

    The cowardly hate the courageous, as their example is a continual reminder to them of their inadequacy.
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    Re: SSPX Masked at Lourdes
    « Reply #26 on: October 26, 2020, 04:50:04 PM »
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    • I don't know... I don't see how we can say putting a mask on is in and of itself sinful.  I do think its better not to if possible, because doing so leads to more tyranny and deception.  But we also know some places have harsher consequences for those who don't than other places.  I don't see how we can condemn people here.

    I'm way more remiss though about the Church mandating masks for mass attendance, even if the State is requiring them to.  Even Novus Ordo canonist Caridi says that's a canonical problem, and it just inherently seems like a canonical problem.  Worshipping at mass is both a duty and a right, and in both cases its not something that submission to communist procedures should be a requirement for.  I think defiance on that may well be worth martyrdom.
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    Re: SSPX Masked at Lourdes
    « Reply #27 on: October 26, 2020, 04:55:44 PM »
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    • I have a question. Valtorta's "Poem of the Man-God" was forbidden put on the index of forbidden books by the Holy Office in 1959. Dominicans from Avrille also spoke openly against it's usage:
    http://www.dominicansavrille.us/what-should-we-make-of-the-book-the-poem-of-the-man-god-by-maria-valtorta-2/
    Bp. Williamson, however, recommended the book.
    Some members of this forum agreed with the Dominicans and concluded that Bp. Williamson was wrong in promoting this work, condemned by the Holy Office and (to my knowledge) never rehabilitated.

    But this difference of opinion about relatively serious matter didn't bother you too much. You never called Bp. Williamson names for having a different opinion and using the condemned work which priests from his own "camp" call erroneous and seriously problematic.

    Now, even if SSPX priests thought that masks are great thing and enforced them on their own initiative, without the least pressure from civil authorities (which obviously isn't the case - they were gravely pressured), it would still be a difference of opinion on the scientific issue which would be of much less importance than Bp. Williamson's actions in relation to Poem of the Man God. Why do You tolerate difference of opinion with regards to Bp. Williamson, while attacking SSPX for much less serious issue?
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    Re: SSPX Masked at Lourdes
    « Reply #28 on: October 26, 2020, 05:16:58 PM »
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    • Quote from: SAP1571 on October 26, 2020, 04:55:44 PM
    I have a question. Valtorta's "Poem of the Man-God" was forbidden put on the index of forbidden books by the Holy Office in 1959. Dominicans from Avrille also spoke openly against it's usage:
    http://www.dominicansavrille.us/what-should-we-make-of-the-book-the-poem-of-the-man-god-by-maria-valtorta-2/
    Bp. Williamson, however, recommended the book.
    Some members of this forum agreed with the Dominicans and concluded that Bp. Williamson was wrong in promoting this work, condemned by the Holy Office and (to my knowledge) never rehabilitated.

    But this difference of opinion about relatively serious matter didn't bother you too much. You never called Bp. Williamson names for having a different opinion and using the condemned work which priests from his own "camp" call erroneous and seriously problematic.

    Now, even if SSPX priests thought that masks are great thing and enforced them on their own initiative, without the least pressure from civil authorities (which obviously isn't the case - they were gravely pressured), it would still be a difference of opinion on the scientific issue which would be of much less importance than Bp. Williamson's actions in relation to Poem of the Man God. Why do You tolerate difference of opinion with regards to Bp. Williamson, while attacking SSPX for much less serious issue?
    I don't know anything about this book in question TBH.

    Whereas masks are very obviously part of NWO.  I've seen good people turned away from the Church because they were like "if people can't even figure that Covid is a scam why would I ever trust the Church."
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    Re: SSPX Masked at Lourdes
    « Reply #29 on: October 26, 2020, 05:35:51 PM »
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    • The mask police take a little girl in Germany:

    https://twitter.com/Satisfaction778/status/1320606081383604224

    Translated description:
    The chain dogs of the Merkel dictatorship.
    Listen carefully in video 2: The brave little girl (according to him) bit the policeman in the hand. At the moment when at least 3 of these criminals set out to capture the defenseless victim.
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